Cheating Stories- The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly.

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Once upon a money game, the cue ball and the nine sat less than an eighth of an inch apart close to the head spot, a cold hard C-not resting on the shot.

The balls were lined up directly at the diamond closest to the side pocket. The cue ball too close to the nine for a cut shot, the angle too steep for a bank.

So I watched the champion beat the local player by firing the nine in directly into the side

Jacked up and HARD

And for a while, I thought that “champion” and I were the only ones on earth who knew how he did it.

The smug look on his face was sickening –

Now every time someone starts in on what a “player, champion or pro” he is - I see that moment in my mind and think –

F-ing cheater………..
 
Whaaaat?

I was shooting in money cup a couple of years ago and needed x amount of balls to win. There was x amount of balls left on the table and if I ran out I would win. I walked around the table several times to see what my shot was. I walked up grabbed the cueball with ball in hand and ran out. The guy walked up shook my hand and the score keepers started tallying the sheets. I went back to my case and one of my team members asked "Why did you take ball in hand?" I looked back at the table and said "I... really... don't... know". I then turned to the captain and told him I cheated and even the other captain on the other team said I didn't. When I explained that I took ball in hand when I shouldn't have we took the points off we reracked and gave them the break. I eventually did win but till this day I still have no idea why I grabbed the cueball. I guess I thought I had a better shot from the other end of the table :)
 
I was playing in a Valley 8 ball league a long while back against a player I will call Jeff. Jeff was a player that would go to extremes to win a game. Jeff could shoot but would often as happen was our team would out shoot his. So Jeff would often have to go to the dark side to win.

With both teams tied for first and the first two rounds split between us it was Jeff that broke against me. The spread of the table had the 4 solids blocked by the 8ball and so he naturally ran out the stripes at the open end of the table down to his last stripe. The 8 ball although it was close to the corner pocket was surrounded by an army of solids making the window very small to make it. His position on the last remaining stripe was a straight in long shot requiring plenty of draw. In perfect line on draw back was a solid that he knew and I knew would not allow him the position he needed even if he could draw like Mike Massey as he was slightly jacked up.

A extended long period of thinking out the shot ensued; causing everyone that was once glued to the game to become disinterested. Then he shot the shot with plenty of draw and as whitey started backing up he pushed the interfering solid to the side with his bridge hand ninety degrees away from the cue ball line.

I yell out, "Foul" but nobody was watching. I said,"You purposely moved the solid"...he answers back "I accidently brushed it!" The result was the cue ball rested perfectly in tiny window of position he needed for a straight in 8 ball. He smiled at me knowing he cheated and that I did too but the rules were in his favor. A long argument followed but nobody saw a thing. My word against his.

The only thing I could do was move the solid back to its original position and let him shoot the 8ball for the win. They finally beat us that night.

This Is why I like all balls fouls. If you move or touch a ball its done BIH. thats not to say you cant get cheated but it removes sum of it. Ive never been a victim of that senario but I would be pissed had it happend to me.
 
Cheating

This one always pisses me off, when a player taps a ball and it does not hit a rail, but becomes close and they claim it did hit the rail.

One time I was playing in a tournament, and I was leading 4-3 going to 5, and I ran the rest of balls in 8 ball to win the match, and my opponent rushes to the table and claims that I marked up two peas. Long story short, I ended up taking one off to end the argument, and he ended up beating me in the match. I did not mark two up at one time, never have and never will, and he knew it, and now, years later, he still can not look me straight in the face.

This one is even better. My opponent was one that I won 2 bags of sand from giving up the 8 ball a few years back. He's improved some since then, and has been dogging me to play for something, and every time when we play in tournament, he dogs me to make a sidebet. We are playing 8 ball, both going to 4. It is my break, so I rack, and break the balls, making 3 balls, with the balls laid out with a connect the dot layout.
My opponent comes rushing up and claims that I racked the 8 ball in the second row of the rack. I have played 50 years, and have never racked with the 8 ball in the second row ever. He is insistent, so I concide to his argument, and rerack again, and break the balls. I did win the game and the match. I did not know then that the owner had installed cameras on the tables, or I would have had them go back and have checked my first rack. Oh, and that opponent still can not get there with me!
 
I was shooting in money cup a couple of years ago and needed x amount of balls to win. There was x amount of balls left on the table and if I ran out I would win. I walked around the table several times to see what my shot was. I walked up grabbed the cueball with ball in hand and ran out. The guy walked up shook my hand and the score keepers started tallying the sheets. I went back to my case and one of my team members asked "Why did you take ball in hand?" I looked back at the table and said "I... really... don't... know". I then turned to the captain and told him I cheated and even the other captain on the other team said I didn't. When I explained that I took ball in hand when I shouldn't have we took the points off we reracked and gave them the break. I eventually did win but till this day I still have no idea why I grabbed the cueball. I guess I thought I had a better shot from the other end of the table :)


LOL. I have done the same thing basically. I would not call this cheating. Just a mistake,since not done "on purpose' just to win.

When I did it,,,same thing ,,,walked around the table studying it hard,,and for silly reason,,just grabbed the cue and started shooting.In my case after about 3 shots ,,the guy asked me if I took BIH.
It hit me like a ton of bricks that I should not have,,and just started laughing. Told him I didn't mean to do this. Gave him BIH back,,,it was all good.
Thing was,,,,,I could have easily made a ball and possibly run out from where the cue was sitting in the first place,,,just easier with BIH. LOL
 
This Is why I like all balls fouls. If you move or touch a ball its done BIH. thats not to say you cant get cheated but it removes sum of it. Ive never been a victim of that senario but I would be pissed had it happend to me.

I whole heartedly agree with you!!! I was hot! But the rules allowed him the loophole to cheat and he took it!
 
Playing 9-ball with a lady friend...she's always bugging me to practice.

Sooo, the 9-ball is on the rail, about one diamond from the pocket...
..the cue-ball is at the other end, about one foot from a pocket and
four inches off the short rail...tough shot.
So I fiddled with chalking my tip until she turned around to talk to
someone.....I shot the 9-ball at the cue-ball and went in-off to the
corner.....she turned around to see the 9-ball gone and the cue-ball
going up and down the middle of the table...she picks up the rack while
everybody is laughing.

I figure I'm getting even for something she said. Some people are trying
to get me to join a FaceBook group.....
...she said "First, you'll have to get a face!"

I gotta stop talking to that broad...:angry:
 
Thats not cheating

I was shooting in money cup a couple of years ago and needed x amount of balls to win. There was x amount of balls left on the table and if I ran out I would win. I walked around the table several times to see what my shot was. I walked up grabbed the cueball with ball in hand and ran out. The guy walked up shook my hand and the score keepers started tallying the sheets. I went back to my case and one of my team members asked "Why did you take ball in hand?" I looked back at the table and said "I... really... don't... know". I then turned to the captain and told him I cheated and even the other captain on the other team said I didn't. When I explained that I took ball in hand when I shouldn't have we took the points off we reracked and gave them the break. I eventually did win but till this day I still have no idea why I grabbed the cueball. I guess I thought I had a better shot from the other end of the table :)

THATS NOT CHEATING !!!

THATS GREAT SPORTSMANSHIP !!!!

This sport needs about 40% more people like You & your Team Captian.
 
JoeyA confesses..........

It was a while back, maybe 10-15 years ago. Bobby Landy is an old friend who worked in the oil industry as a traveling salesman. He played a lot of pool in his time. Bobby is probably 75 years old now and still play some good pool.

Bobby asked me and Joe Villalpondo and New York Blackie if we wanted to take a road trip and go to a tournament in Florida. I believe it was Fort Walton but it wasn't Starcade Billiards, Hot Shot's if I recall correctly. Not sure if they are still around or not.

Anyway Bobby is talking to New York Blackie who could still play pretty good back then. Bobby tells Blackie that he won't have to spend a dime on the trip. Bobby would cover ALL of his expenses; EVERYTHING...... Bobby's only stipulation was that the entry fees of Blackie, food expense and hotel would have to come off the top before they split any winnings. New York Blackie then commenced to telling Bobby that the only way he would go is if Blackie got half of all of the winnings and if any of us (including himself) booked ANY losers, that would not come off of the winnings. He also said, Bobby would have to cover his expenses, pro bono.
Well, Blackie didn't make that trip.:D

So Little Joe, me and Bobby go on the road for about 3 days to this tournament. We don't do any good in the tournament and were trying to match up with someone. We found one guy who wanted to play a two hundred dollar set of one pocket and I was chosen to play him. Bobby put up the money with the condition that we split the 200 bucks if I win. I was good with that but I didn't know the guy I was playing and it was gambling. After some see-sawing in the race to 3 or 4 (I can't quite recall), I am shooting on a striped ball at my hole for the hill game. Some of the details are getting a little foggy in my mind but the gist of the story will soon be clear. I've told the story before and some of the details might get twisted around but not intentionally. Anyway, I'm down on this shot and everyone is sitting around watching up play and I bear down on the shot and VERY SLIGHTLY, touch the cue ball with my cue. The cue ball couldn't have moved more than 1/16". I stood up, grimmacing at the shot but now seeing that my opponent wasn't approaching the table, I "angrily" reach into the pocket as if to count my balls. My opponent still doesn't come to the table and no one says anything. Now I am playing for our road trip money and everyone is counting on me to win this cash. It's our only gambling match of the trip and I have larceny in my heart and want to lay the blame of that larceny on my traveling buds but the truth is I wanted to win real bad and if my opponent was going to call a foul on me, I wasn't going to call it on myself. I did my little acting part pretty good and no one was the wiser.


We collect the $200 and are headed home driving back from Florida. About 45 minutes into the trip, neither Bobby or Joe V said a thing about the match except that they were happy I got the cash. Then Bobby starts asking me about when I was shooting that 14 ball and he wondered why no one but him saw me touch that cue ball with my cue. I must have turned 30 shades of red. My ears started burning and my face was flush. I was so embarassed that I had been caught cheating but I was amazed that Bobby could see me touch that cue ball when he was further away from the table than my opponent and practically anyone else in the pool room. Bobby always had good eyes and even in his 70's he still plays pool without glasses. That's about the extent of my cheating. I just wanted to let you guys that I wasn't always a Saint. :grin:

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
 
The only thing I could do was move the solid back to its original position and let him shoot the 8ball for the win. They finally beat us that night.

You know that if the path of the cue ball goes through where a disturbed ball was, it's ball in hand still even with cue ball fouls only.
 
It was a while back, maybe 10-15 years ago. Bobby Landy is an old friend who worked in the oil industry as a traveling salesman. He played a lot of pool in his time. Bobby is probably 75 years old now and still play some good pool.

Bobby asked me and Joe Villalpondo and New York Blackie if we wanted to take a road trip and go to a tournament in Florida. I believe it was Fort Walton but it wasn't Starcade Billiards, Hot Shot's if I recall correctly. Not sure if they are still around or not.

Anyway Bobby is talking to New York Blackie who could still play pretty good back then. Bobby tells Blackie that he won't have to spend a dime on the trip. Bobby would cover ALL of his expenses; EVERYTHING...... Bobby's only stipulation was that the entry fees of Blackie, food expense and hotel would have to come off the top before they split any winnings. New York Blackie then commenced to telling Bobby that the only way he would go is if Blackie got half of all of the winnings and if any of us (including himself) booked ANY losers, that would not come off of the winnings. He also said, Bobby would have to cover his expenses, pro bono.
Well, Blackie didn't make that trip.:D

So Little Joe, me and Bobby go on the road for about 3 days to this tournament. We don't do any good in the tournament and were trying to match up with someone. We found one guy who wanted to play a two hundred dollar set of one pocket and I was chosen to play him. Bobby put up the money with the condition that we split the 200 bucks if I win. I was good with that but I didn't know the guy I was playing and it was gambling. After some see-sawing in the race to 3 or 4 (I can't quite recall), I am shooting on a striped ball at my hole for the hill game. Some of the details are getting a little foggy in my mind but the gist of the story will soon be clear. I've told the story before and some of the details might get twisted around but not intentionally. Anyway, I'm down on this shot and everyone is sitting around watching up play and I bear down on the shot and VERY SLIGHTLY, touch the cue ball with my cue. The cue ball couldn't have moved more than 1/16". I stood up, grimmacing at the shot but now seeing that my opponent wasn't approaching the table, I "angrily" reach into the pocket as if to count my balls. My opponent still doesn't come to the table and no one says anything. Now I am playing for our road trip money and everyone is counting on me to win this cash. It's our only gambling match of the trip and I have larceny in my heart and want to lay the blame of that larceny on my traveling buds but the truth is I wanted to win real bad and if my opponent was going to call a foul on me, I wasn't going to call it on myself. I did my little acting part pretty good and no one was the wiser.


We collect the $200 and are headed home driving back from Florida. About 45 minutes into the trip, neither Bobby or Joe V said a thing about the match except that they were happy I got the cash. Then Bobby starts asking me about when I was shooting that 14 ball and he wondered why no one but him saw me touch that cue ball with my cue. I must have turned 30 shades of red. My ears started burning and my face was flush. I was so embarassed that I had been caught cheating but I was amazed that Bobby could see me touch that cue ball when he was further away from the table than my opponent and practically anyone else in the pool room. Bobby always had good eyes and even in his 70's he still plays pool without glasses. That's about the extent of my cheating. I just wanted to let you guys that I wasn't always a Saint. :grin:

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.


I think everybody has done it or at least seen it happen.

And it is amazing how during a stroke,,a ball can be touched so lightly,,where it might just wiggle a little tiny bit,,,and very hard to see from certain angles.
If you try to touch a ball this lightly on purpose,,it can't be done.

Yes,,you should have give the table up,,but it happens. It's not a good feeling to continue,,,and makes you give it up,,,,the next time it happens. Or at least it should.
 
You know that if the path of the cue ball goes through where a disturbed ball was, it's ball in hand still even with cue ball fouls only.

Not during Valley's growing years. BTW the next year the rule was changed to protect me!
 
Playing in the state APA Team 9-ball championship last June my team had made the finals. Before the match I had people I didn't even know coming up to me and telling me to watch the team we were about to play as they would cheat at any opportunity. Not knowing the team I was going up against I chose to give them the benefit of the doubt and ignored what people were saying about them. The opposing captain was a well known player who is competitive in regional tournaments with strong fields. I did not know him personally but I recognized his name.

The very first match had our 3 up against their 3. Soon into the second rack their player found himself jacked up over to shoot full table to a ball that was hanging in the pocket. Easy to play if you can hit the cueball but actually a tough shot for a low level player having to shoot over a ball. The guy steps up to the shot and his cue brushes the obstructing ball out of the way for clear cuing of the cueball. Our player tells the guy to move the ball back per APA rules, the opposing captain says that according to the rules you don't have to move the ball back until after the shot is taken. His guy then proceeds to shoot before we can call a ref over to clarify.

Its clear to me at this point that these guys are shady as all hell but I figure lets just play we can still win this. A few racks later his player finds himself having to take a 3 rail kick in order to hit the one ball after the break. He shoots and misses the one ball by about 6 inches it wasn't even close. Our player steps to the table and asks if it was ball in hand to clarify. The opposing captain says no it was a clean hit and his player agrees. We call a ref but obviously the call goes to the shooter.

At this point I have had enough and our team has to call a ref over to watch the entire match. Fortunately this solved most of the problems. I ended up playing the opposing captain and despite various sharking attempts on his part played lights out and won. My team held up despite the cheating and won the match.
 
Re, the moved a ball rule....Here's how you move it back when you're playing a rule jerk:

Just pick up the last one of your opponent's balls, go outside to your car and lock it in the glove box.

"Your shot."

Jeff Livingston
 
Anyway, I'm down on this shot and everyone is sitting around watching up play and I bear down on the shot and VERY SLIGHTLY, touch the cue ball with my cue. The cue ball couldn't have moved more than 1/16". I stood up, grimmacing at the shot but now seeing that my opponent wasn't approaching the table, I "angrily" reach into the pocket as if to count my balls. My opponent still doesn't come to the table and no one says anything. Now I am playing for our road trip money and everyone is counting on me to win this cash. It's our only gambling match of the trip and I have larceny in my heart and want to lay the blame of that larceny on my traveling buds but the truth is I wanted to win real bad and if my opponent was going to call a foul on me, I wasn't going to call it on myself. I did my little acting part pretty good and no one was the wiser.


That's about the extent of my cheating. I just wanted to let you guys that I wasn't always a Saint. :grin:

In absentia, I sprinkle Crown Royal on you and wave my cue over you three times. You have been forgiven, my friend. Go...and sin no more!!!

Maniac (had a couple of shots while I had the bottle open ;))
 
Re, the moved a ball rule....Here's how you move it back when you're playing a rule jerk:

Just pick up the last one of your opponent's balls, go outside to your car and lock it in the glove box.

"Your shot."

Jeff Livingston

Actually this sounds good. Definitely give it a shot next time I have to play that guy.
 
I haven't read all the stories but I have a couple. Playing 8ball, I'm on the 8 and my opponent has 1 ball on the long rail a diamond or so from the pocket. I have a tough cross side bank or an easy safe.

I opt for the safe and leave the 8ball on the long rail between the cb and his ball. He looks at it for a few minutes then fires straight into the 8ball using it in a combo making his ball. I call foul and he precedes to say there was no foul he hit his ball first and I didn't call the ref. This goes on for a few minutes and my team talks me into letting him shoot the 8ball. He left the 8 in a bad spot. He misses and I have an easy 8.

Another night years later I am playing 8ball again (league) and have a tough 8 with his last ball in the middle almost on the spot. I play safe and leave the 8 between the cb and his ball. He can see a little less than half his ball so he fires away and clips the 8 ball and proceeds to make his ball. I call foul and he ask why. I tell him he hit the 8 ball first and he argues he didn't. There was a little over a foot separating his ball and the 8 ball.

I ask him to explain how the 8ball ended up on the rail and he goes on how the cb hit it afterwards never mind the cb rattled in the corner pocket and was still there. Since there was only 3 of us and 12 of them the arguing wasn't going our way. I wanted to just say f*** it but my team mates wouldn't. Since the 8 was dead on the rail they wanted to replay the game as a compromise. My team mates talked me into it since it was my break. I broke dry left the 8 in the side pocket and he ran out. It really sucks when people have to stoop so low to win a freaking game.
 
If you want to read stories about cheaters just google up Titanic Thompson, lots of grand schemes.
 
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