Choice between ivory ferrule or westinghouse paper micarta?

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thubosky

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What playing qualities can I expect with each one on a regular schon shaft? I might go with either a milk dud or tiger sniper, onyx, or emerald for the tip.

I'm looking for more feel and that great pinging sound. Also I heard that the westinghouse paper micarta helps to make applying spin easier? I really don't have a problem with putting spin on, but the less effort the better is what I think.

One more thing, what is going to deflect the less?
Thanks,
Tim
 
Why would you want to put spin on the ball effortlessly? Center ball is a vital tool. Accidental spin can stick it to you. Spin should take just as much effort as required. A chalked tip will do it. I personally do not own any ivory. I do love my micarta ferrule. It is tough and doesn't care about temperature changes and resists chalk impregnation, or any other type of impregnation for that matter. On the down side, it may contain asbestos.
 
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Everything you ask for is what you get with high quality melamine and a high quality firm tip. Ivory is expensive & inferior to modern materials, and micarta is ridiculously expensive and though better than ivory, still sub-par in comparison to more modern materials, IMO. If your goal is to spend a lot of money, then ivory or micarta either one will dent your wallet just fine. If you want what you're asking for, then melamine might be better for you and will save you some money.
 
qbilder said:
Everything you ask for is what you get with high quality melamine and a high quality firm tip. Ivory is expensive & inferior to modern materials, and micarta is ridiculously expensive and though better than ivory, still sub-par in comparison to more modern materials, IMO. If your goal is to spend a lot of money, then ivory or micarta either one will dent your wallet just fine. If you want what you're asking for, then melamine might be better for you and will save you some money.
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Well I shot with my friends shaft with an old westinghouse micarta paper based ferrule and I thought it shot really good. I liked the hit of it. I want more of a crisp hit and I am wanting to replace my regular schon ferrule with it. What comes standard on the schon shaft? And it felt like I could control the cue ball better with his shaft with that ferrule. And he had something else on it before for a ferrule and the micarta was like night and day to it.

Also, I considered XTC because I liked some universal smart shafts that I shot with and I figured this would reduce the cue ball squirt. My schon shaft now has just a little too much squirt for my liking.
 
thubosky said:
Well I shot with my friends shaft with an old westinghouse micarta paper based ferrule and I thought it shot really good. I liked the hit of it. I want more of a crisp hit and I am wanting to replace my regular schon ferrule with it. What comes standard on the schon shaft? And it felt like I could control the cue ball better with his shaft with that ferrule. And he had something else on it before for a ferrule and the micarta was like night and day to it.

Also, I considered XTC because I liked some universal smart shafts that I shot with and I figured this would reduce the cue ball squirt. My schon shaft now has just a little too much squirt for my liking.
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The old Schons came with micarta. I still have two left and will not part with them.
The closest you can get to the old micarta now is Mason's micarta .
 
JoeyInCali said:
The old Schons came with micarta. I still have two left and will not part with them.
The closest you can get to the old micarta now is Mason's micarta .
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Well would the paper based non asbestos westinghouse micarta be the good stuff as well? If so, I found a place where I can buy that.
 
Good melamine will cut clean, stay clean, and is very hard. There are softer melamines that tend to be brighter white but they are very porous & get full of chalk easily. I only know of one manufacturer who produced a melamine that was both very white and very hard, but they no longer produce it. The other good melamines are pale white with an almost translucent quality. As for what Schon uses, I do not know. But it's been a very long time since it was micarta.
 
qbilder said:
Good melamine will cut clean, stay clean, and is very hard. There are softer melamines that tend to be brighter white but they are very porous & get full of chalk easily. I only know of one manufacturer who produced a melamine that was both very white and very hard, but they no longer produce it. The other good melamines are pale white with an almost translucent quality. As for what Schon uses, I do not know. But it's been a very long time since it was micarta.
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Ok thanks. I just want to make sure that I already didn't have a melamine ferrule on it since I'm not sure what Schon uses. And the melamine is hard, but is it heavy as well? Looking to also lower my cue ball squirt, so I'm thinking ivory may not be the best choice.
 
JoeyInCali said:
The old Schons came with micarta. I still have two left and will not part with them.
The closest you can get to the old micarta now is Mason's micarta .
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Unless you are smart enough to buy some of the old Schon Micarta
from some guy called pdcue:)

Dale(who knows him well)
 
thubosky said:
Well would the paper based non asbestos westinghouse micarta be the good stuff as well? If so, I found a place where I can buy that.
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Here we go again.

Westinghouse made MANY versions of Micarta - a few were white.

With all due respect, it is extremely unlikely you can get the original
Schon Micarta unless you are dealing with some old cuemaker who has had it
hidden under his bed for 30 years.

FWIW - lets all keep in mind - hit is the most subjective thing known to
mankind. I love Micarta. My associate Dickie(RHN) wouldn't pay $10 for
a bushel of the stuff. He loves Melamine. I wouldn't put Melamine on
a tomato stake.

Differn't strokes for different strokes.

Dale
 
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pdcue said:
Here we go again.

Westinghouse made MANY versions of Micarta - a few were white.

With all due respect, it is extremely unlikely you can get the original
Schon Micarta unless you are dealing with some old cuemaker who has had it
hidden under his bed for 30 years.

FWIW - lets all keep in mind - hit is the most subjective thing known to
mankind. I love Micarta. My associate Dickie(RHN) wouldn't pay $10 for
a bushel of the stuff. He loves Melamine. I wouldn't put Melamine on
a tomato stake.

Differn't strokes for different strokes.

Dale
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As far as Micarta goes You will have to look long and far to find someone who knows more about the stuff then Dale (PDCUE) does. I have bought a lot of Micarta ferrules from him and what he has is the real deal not to mention hard to find. I would grab a couple from him while you can even if you don't use them. I also have two Original Micarta ferrules that came directly from Schon more then 20 years ago, They are the ones schon put on there R series cues way back in the day. I have had them for a long while now and if someone offered me $100.00 a piece I still think I would say no. You simply just cant get this stuff any more. That's why I say get a couple from Dale while you can because sooner or later he is going to run out.

Dale please shoot me a PM when you can I want a couple more please.....
 
pdcue said:
Here we go again.

Westinghouse made MANY versions of Micarta - a few were white.

With all due respect, it is extremely unlikely you can get the original
Schon Micarta unless you are dealing with some old cuemaker who has had it
hidden under his bed for 30 years.

FWIW - lets all keep in mind - hit is the most subjective thing known to
mankind. I love Micarta. My associate Dickie(RHN) wouldn't pay $10 for
a bushel of the stuff. He loves Melamine. I wouldn't put Melamine on
a tomato stake.

Differn't strokes for different strokes.

Dale
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If they all had asbestos, you'd be dead by now.:D

Melamine is alright . Probably stays cleaner than any other popular ferrule today. Works ok if you take the cap off and line it with carbon fiber.
I prefer a bigger tenon these days ( no longer like 5/16 18 ) , so I prefer the linen epoxy Mason ferrules over melamine. They machine better than melamine too. I get them in rods now from CH b/c the rods seem to be a little better than the tubes.
Can't beat your yellow ones though. I still have a few and friends keep getting from you and they send them this way for their cues. they're lighter and have that quiet solid hit peeps like.
 
JoeyInCali said:
If they all had asbestos, you'd be dead by now.:D

Melamine is alright . Probably stays cleaner than any other popular ferrule today. Works ok if you take the cap off and line it with carbon fiber.
I prefer a bigger tenon these days ( no longer like 5/16 18 ) , so I prefer the linen epoxy Mason ferrules over melamine. They machine better than melamine too. I get them in rods now from CH b/c the rods seem to be a little better than the tubes.
Can't beat your yellow ones though. I still have a few and friends keep getting from you and they send them this way for their cues. they're lighter and have that quiet solid hit peeps like.
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Hmmm wondering if I should try the melamine because I don't want a quiet type of hit. How is the ivorine 4? What's it's playing characteristics?
 
thubosky said:
Hmmm wondering if I should try the melamine because I don't want a quiet type of hit. How is the ivorine 4? What's it's playing characteristics?
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Nobody asks for Ivorine 4, so I don't bother .
You should try melamine if you like a lot of that ping.
 
JoeyInCali said:
If they all had asbestos, you'd be dead by now.:D

Melamine is alright . Probably stays cleaner than any other popular ferrule today. Works ok if you take the cap off and line it with carbon fiber.
I prefer a bigger tenon these days ( no longer like 5/16 18 ) , so I prefer the linen epoxy Mason ferrules over melamine. They machine better than melamine too. I get them in rods now from CH b/c the rods seem to be a little better than the tubes.
Can't beat your yellow ones though. I still have a few and friends keep getting from you and they send them this way for their cues. they're lighter and have that quiet solid hit peeps like.
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Thank you for reminding me. knifemaker, who sold a good bit of white
paper Micarta a couple years ago, told me he was told by a former
Westinghouse engineer that they only sold asbestos to the Military.
So, not very likely you will run into any unless you plan to recycle
a battleship.

Dale(only recycles bicycles, cards that is)
 
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