CJ defeats Earl and a Special Thanks to this Forum

[CJ Wiley]

Teaching these things with a pool cue I believe is not possible, it takes..........

I will certainly second that Thanks to CJ. He has had more of an effect on my game than anyone in more than 35 years.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

Thanks, Rick, I appreciate you saying that, and it helps me to share what I can. Pool is not a natural thing to perform, to play the game really well takes some help occasionally.....many players through the years have went out of their way to help me.

The fact of the matter is, the human body wasn't designed to play pool
With this in mind it's vital to learn how to coordinate the human body that we do have into a "pool playing machine," .....this means your shoulder, arm, wrist and hand must connect to synergistically control the cue.....and even more important, the TIP.

There is a way to do this and it took me thousands of hours to figure it out. Without my 8 years away from the game it would not have happened, it took rebuilding my own game to understand each component and how they work together.

Still, to teach this it's taking me 3-5 weeks (3 hours a week and depending on the student's practice regiment) to communicate verbally and kinesthetically (I use a sword, and various practice devises to create quicker muscle memory), which is really just a foundation that they cal learn from the rest of their lives.

Teaching these things with a pool cue I believe is not possible, it takes something heavier, and interestingly enough it must not be shaped as a pool cue. Our subconscious minds are very powerful - I've found that we can't make congruent stroke changes without completely removing the cue from the equation (to create new habits).......this allows the "anchors" to be temporarily eliminated so the new learning can take place.
'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[Neil]

Thanks, Rick, I appreciate you saying that, and it helps me to share what I can. Pool is not a natural thing to perform, to play the game really well takes some help occasionally.....many players through the years have went out of their way to help me.

The fact of the matter is, the human body wasn't designed to play pool
With this in mind it's vital to learn how to coordinate the human body that we do have into a "pool playing machine," .....this means your shoulder, arm, wrist and hand must connect to synergistically control the cue.....and even more important, the TIP.

There is a way to do this and it took me thousands of hours to figure it out. Without my 8 years away from the game it would not have happened, it took rebuilding my own game to understand each component and how they work together.

Still, to teach this it's taking me 3-5 weeks (3 hours a week and depending on the student's practice regiment) to communicate verbally and kinesthetically (I use a sword, and various practice devises to create quicker muscle memory), which is really just a foundation that they cal learn from the rest of their lives.

Teaching these things with a pool cue I believe is not possible, it takes something heavier, and interestingly enough it must not be shaped as a pool cue. Our subconscious minds are very powerful - I've found that we can't make congruent stroke changes without completely removing the cue from the equation (to create new habits).......this allows the "anchors" to be temporarily eliminated so the new learning can take place.
'The Game is the Teacher'

For those that want to train at home, here's a site with cutting edge discounts. http://www.swordsknivesanddaggers.com/swords-for-sale.html :wink:

 

[SJDinPHX]

Thanks, Rick, I appreciate you saying that, and it helps me to share what I can. Pool is not a natural thing to perform, to play the game really well takes some help occasionally.....many players through the years have went out of their way to help me...etc, etc.

The fact of the matter is, the human body wasn't designed to play pool
With this in mind it's vital to learn how to coordinate the human body that we do have into a "pool playing machine," .....this means your shoulder, arm, wrist and hand must connect to synergistically control the cue.....and even more important, the TIP....etc. etc...

Excuse me CJ, but I need a little clarification here !.. Are you saying the human body WAS designed for 'hitting a baseball'..being a 'middle linebacker'..shooting 3 pointer's in basketball, or slugging it out, with Manny Pacquiai ?
Not trying to be facetious, but, I guess I'm asking..what point are you trying to make ?

It appears to most everyone, that the human body was only actually 'designed', for things like walking, talking, eating, sleeping and pro-creating !..So wouldn't it be obvious, that ANY other human activity, will require extensive training to become proficient, or excel at ?..

 

[DTL]

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[CJ Wiley]

following our own path in business, activities, relationships and society

Excuse me CJ, but I need a little clarification here !.. Are you saying the human body WAS designed for 'hitting a baseball'..being a 'middle linebacker'..shooting 3 pointer's in basketball, or slugging it out, with Manny Pacquiai ?
Not trying to be facetious, but, I guess I'm asking..what point are you trying to make ?

It appears to most everyone, that the human body was only actually 'designed', for things like walking, talking, eating, sleeping and pro-creating !..So wouldn't it be obvious, that ANY other human activity, will require extensive training to become proficient, or excel at ?..

The human body was designed to grow, change and mature in the ways our own particular path leads us. This usually is made up of economic status, ambitions, society, and personal relationships.

 

[CJ Wiley]

you will be able to be a "pool playing machine"

I'm right-handed and I, like you, use my instep or ball of my right foot and place it on the shot line unless circumstances won't allow it.

Sometimes, I find my cue too close to my right hip and I move my left foot to the left to pull my body away from the cue, giving some clearance.

Occasionally I line up my right foot and left foot too close together and have to make a physical effort to spread my feet further apart in order to have what I feel is a comfortable lane for my cue to move in.

Each of us has different body types and this type of thing is easily different for each of us. Precision comfort tailored for the shot is the key, imo.

JoeyA

This works, just fine, Joey, the feet are the foundation of our center of vision.

The body position getting down is described as "begin with the end in mind" (a Steven Covey quote) because you want to start out above the ball with your body parts in the same relative position as they will be in when you get down and shoot.

Many people especially change their left arm angle too much and don't pre set their arm/wrist/shoulder angles properly, this means you have to create them on the way down or after you get down on the shot.

This is infinitely more difficult to do in a consistent way....thus, if you start above the ball in the position you will be in while hitting the cue ball (or as close as YOU can get), you will be able to be a "pool playing machine" and that's just a figure of speech for those that want challenge me and say "a man can't become a machine" ... however, it's a good thing to strive for and in the process take out any "moving parts" that you can't repeat.

 

[DTL]

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[lfigueroa]

It's the least I could do for you Loucifer. ..... as usual you have things backwards.

Here's one for you, CJ. Funny how you always seem to leave off the first line and the last couple of words when you use it to promote yourself ;-)

Lou Figueroa
kinda puts things
in context

 

[phil dade]

Mail Box full

CJ,


I wanted to review my copy of TOI, however, my wife miss placed TOI, along with several other pool DVD's. I will just reorder the Master set at $45 as per you ad in the FS section. Your post says to PM you for instructions to get this price. However your mailbox is full and I am not allowed to post in your thread in the FS section. Please pm me.

Thanks in advance.

Phil

 

[CJ Wiley]

CJ,


I wanted to review my copy of TOI, however, my wife miss placed TOI, along with several other pool DVD's. I will just reorder the Master set at $45 as per you ad in the FS section. Your post says to PM you for instructions to get this price. However your mailbox is full and I am not allowed to post in your thread in the FS section. Please pm me.

Thanks in advance.

Phil

I apologize, Phil, stepped out and my PM box filled up, space has been cleared now. I'm preparing to go to east Texas to do a couple of days of training and seminars tomorrow, so today's been busy.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Sometimes, I find my cue too close to my right hip and I move my left foot to the left to pull my body away from the cue, giving some clearance....Occasionally I line up my right foot and left foot too close together and have to make a physical effort to spread my feet further apart in order to have what I feel is a comfortable lane for my cue to move in.

Each of us has different body types and this type of thing is easily different for each of us. Precision comfort, tailored for the shot "Is the Teacher" imo.

JoeyA

JoeyA old friend..just be glad you don't have big hips like Fat's had, or huge boobs like Dolly Parton ! ..Keep adjusting though..pretty soon you will be an unbeatable "Pool playing Machine" ! :thumbup:

PS..Also Joey, you may want to check...You might have two left feet !

PPS Would you please ask CJ to explain his 'explanation' to me ? .....I'm not too sure we speak the
same language ! :sorry:

 

[ndakotan]

leading title

This title is exactly the reason I try to stay off these forums. People can write what they want. I am so used to a title meaning something useful. In this case the title is that CJ beat earl in 2006, nothing contemporary. And then use that info to drive a point home?

People read the titles trying to decide which ones to read, especially if they are not regulars. CJ beating Earl once has nothing to do with anything, especially if it was 9 years ago.

I have nothing to say on the whole argument of TOI, just hoping people would think before they post.

I'm going back to the world where pools is fun to discuss.

Thanks

 

[CJ Wiley]

The key to the 3 part pocket system is slightly deflecting the cue ball

As you guys start to really understand the Touch of Inside and are hitting the cue ball more precisely there's a few levels you will go through. The first one will be that you have to use less and less "Inside" to produce the same results. This is because you are moving your cue to the Inside more accurately and precisely (as far as not pivoting, moving your cue parallel).

I usually tell the newer players, first experiencing the Touch of Inside to use more of an inside move than required due to everyone pivoting to some degree at the beginning. There's an instinct to follow through at the contact point, which actually REDUCES deflection (it's seems like it would be the opposite, it's not), and this leads to undercutting balls.

If you are undercutting any balls using the Touch of Inside you are pivoting OR still "aiming" at the "contact point".....there's no need to do this, you can follow through straight (in the direction of the object ball's center) and still over cut the ball slightly.

The key to the 3 part pocket system is slightly deflecting the cue ball and influencing the object ball to hit center pocket. This is your goal, to hit the center with the touch of inside because that's the only way you tell FOR SURE that you are properly aligned for the Inside of the pocket (the 1st of the 3 parts to the pocket).

The next levels have to do with long shots and maximum english TOI shots where you have to move the cue ball longer distances. I'll get into this later this week if anyone's interested. 'The Game is the Teacher' CJ Wiley

 

[CJ Wiley]

I'm not too sure we speak the same language !

JoeyA old friend..just be glad you don't have big hips like Fat's had, or huge boobs like Dolly Parton ! ..Keep adjusting though..pretty soon you will be an unbeatable "Pool playing Machine" ! :thumbup:

PS..Also Joey, you may want to check...You might have two left feet !

PPS Would you please ask CJ to explain his 'explanation' to me ? I'm not too sure we speak the same language ! :sorry:

It's clear, we don't speak the same language.

 

[HawaiianEye]

It's clear, we don't speak the same language.

Even though everyone's audiences grow larger and larger (thanks to technology, media, etc.), it doesn't mean their messages becomes anymore truthful or coherent.

CJ, for those guys, it reminds me of an old Edward Morrow quote:

“Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar.”

 

[wayne]

It's the least I could do for you Loucifer. ..... as usual you have things backwards.

I really like the way you handle the a..holes who constantly try to get under your skin. I wish every pro who had posted had the ability to handle them in the humorous way you do instead of allowing them to get under their skin and cause them to quit posting. Keep up the good work.

Also, something you said caused me to change one thing in my stroke which helped me go on a winning streak the last few months resulting in several thousand dollars in winnings. Thanks.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Keep up the good play and maybe someday some other pros will start posting regularly

I really like the way you handle the a..holes who constantly try to get under your skin. I wish every pro who had posted had the ability to handle them in the humorous way you do instead of allowing them to get under their skin and cause them to quit posting. Keep up the good work.

Also, something you said caused me to change one thing in my stroke which helped me go on a winning streak the last few months resulting in several thousand dollars in winnings. Thanks.

I'm glad to hear your pool stroke has become more effective. Sometimes it just takes that one tip that makes the difference - all it takes is an open mind and willingness to experiment. I've reached the point again where my game is growing and improving every day physically, mentally, or technically.

Keep up the good play and maybe someday some other pros will start posting on this forum.....although I doubt if they want to subject themselves to .....well, let's just say "they will probably choose not to". 'The GAME is our Teacher'

 

[wayne]

No Neil, I think he means the only intelligent voice on here, is his 'hero' ! ..I have no problem with that ! ..Very few people understand what Mr.Wiley is trying to say !...He may develop into a good interpreter !

No 'hero'. He has just said a few things over the years that I was able to implement that made me a better player.

I have to get over to your neck of the woods someday to play some of the guys.

I have never played Bernie and I think that would be a good challenge.

I played Trey right after he sent Daulton to the loser side at the US Open and he had me down 2 games to zero and I hadn't shot at my hole. He was in the process of running out the 3rd game and got an unfortunate scratch. Everything went my way after that and I beat him 4-2. He is a class act.

I beat Gus Briseno twice at the US Open but he finished 1 game up in a gambling match in Santa Monica. I think I played him in Vegas once but I believe we came out even (not sure).

Scott is too good for me and I never liked getting spotted.

I wish you were 20 years younger so we could play some heads up.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[Cardigan Kid]

This title is exactly the reason I try to stay off these forums. People can write what they want. I am so used to a title meaning something useful. In this case the title is that CJ beat earl in 2006, nothing contemporary. And then use that info to drive a point home?

People read the titles trying to decide which ones to read, especially if they are not regulars. CJ beating Earl once has nothing to do with anything, especially if it was 9 years ago.

I have nothing to say on the whole argument of TOI, just hoping people would think before they post.

I'm going back to the world where pools is fun to discuss.

Thanks

You obviously missed the entire point of the post/thread then. I was watching the match where CJ played a great game of pool, and I had a feeling of gratefulness, thankfulness, and gratitude to be part of this forum. Where we are a click away from world class players and can find almost anything we want to know about the game.

what is wrong with just creating a post to express all of that?

I can see you don't feel the same, since you have stayed away, and thats unfortunate.

As for beating Earl in the US Open, if I ever played well enough to do that, I would have a vest made (like Earls world champion vest) stating "I beat earl once in 2006 US open" and wear that for the rest of my life.

In CJs world, its just another match, and thats a high level of talent.
very impressive, no matter what year.

 

[Mikjary]

This works, just fine, Joey, the feet are the foundation of our center of vision.

The body position getting down is described as "begin with the end in mind" (a Steven Covey quote) because you want to start out above the ball with your body parts in the same relative position as they will be in when you get down and shoot.

Many people especially change their left arm angle too much and don't pre set their arm/wrist/shoulder angles properly, this means you have to create them on the way down or after you get down on the shot.

This is infinitely more difficult to do in a consistent way....thus, if you start above the ball in the position you will be in while hitting the cue ball (or as close as YOU can get), you will be able to be a "pool playing machine" and that's just a figure of speech for those that want challenge me and say "a man can't become a machine" ... however, it's a good thing to strive for and in the process take out any "moving parts" that you can't repeat.

Makes sense. I taught the baseball swing with the idea of keeping the trunk of the body in the same starting position as you bent over or "sat" and swung. This kept the muscle groups connected in a chain from the ground up. Like a figure skater spinning faster and faster.

I'll check what happens to my technique as I get down to shoot. Could be enlightening to see what moves out of alignment.

As an aside, tonight I figured out the idea of the cue ball being the target. It doesn't mean it IS the target. It means what results from thinking it is the target. It's a whole different mental picture for me after figuring this out. Only took a year or so to get it down from the shelf. Dense! :frown:

Best,
Mike