CJ Wiley Runs 29 balls in 1P using TOI

[CJ Wiley]

Allen used to bet he could make all 15 in one hole with three tries

damn fine shooting....

I've done the drill both ways (BIH after the break, and the firmer break without BIH). It may be a little tougher using your normal 1P break (one that you would use against an opponent) and getting out, since you do have more bumping the stack, etc. But running in either case is GREAT shooting.

BTW, wasn't trying to nitpick, but as an example; your first break made a ball in your opponents pocket and not yours, so obviously you wouldn't break like that in a game. But when doing Jay's 1P challenge at the Derby, you don't get BIH, so it makes sense to open up the balls more, and give yourself a good opening shot....

thanks for posting the video link!!!

Yes, that break was shown to me by Allen Hopkins and it's used to beat the ghost shooting at 40 in 5 innings. Allen used to bet he could make all 15 balls in one hole with three tries, I could do it in 4, just preferably not on a table this tight.

 

[Lock N Load]

The "FatBoy Pockets" are smaller, but not by too much. Anyone that played in my pool room, CJ's Billiard Palace will attest to how tight the tables were. This one was one of the tightest ones there and I moved it to my house because of sentimental reasons (Earl Strickland running the 11 Racks in a Row for the Million Dollar Challenge).

Anyway, I"m not going to "split hairs" over pocket size, I've played on my share of tables and I know this one is "tighter than a clam with lockjaw"....is that a general enough size? :groucho:

Hello Mr. CJ,
I like what you are doing. Man that table pockets are tight! It looks real good too. I think the pockets should be called Skinny boy pockets, he, he, he. Not Fatboy pockets. I thought fat was big. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Lock N Load]

Yes, that break was shown to me by Allen Hopkins and it's used to beat the ghost shooting at 40 in 5 innings. Allen used to bet he could make all 15 balls in one hole with three tries, I could do it in 4, just preferably not on a table this tight.

Hello CJ,
I practice like that all the time when I am practicing one pocket. I tried to tell a few of my friends about how I run all 15 balls in one pocket, and they laughed at me. So, now I go in the back of the worlds pool hall, Buffalo Billiards in New Orleans/Metairie, Louisiana to practice my one pocket.
I do not move balls or take ball in hand after the break either.

It is not an easy task to run 15 balls in one pocket after the break without ball in hand. And on pockets as tight as your table has, it is even more of a hard job to do this. Thanks again Mr. CJ. One picture is worth a thousand words!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Lock N Load]

The "FatBoy Pockets" are smaller, but not by too much. Anyone that played in my pool room, CJ's Billiard Palace will attest to how tight the tables were. This one was one of the tightest ones there and I moved it to my house because of sentimental reasons (Earl Strickland running the 11 Racks in a Row for the Million Dollar Challenge).

Anyway, I"m not going to "split hairs" over pocket size, I've played on my share of tables and I know this one is "tighter than a clam with lockjaw"....is that a general enough size? :groucho:

Mr. CJ,
I cannot click on your logo to see the 15 ball run? The red writing, I can click on CJ Riley.com with no problem.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Lock N Load]

Ya gotta see this.

Runs 14 balls in 1P on the first rack in the same pocket then 15 balls in the same pocket on the next rack. 99% of the balls were made using TOI. Every shot is called including the shot/s that he has to use some spin.

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55wfzEVJVvo&feature=youtu.be

I have a long road ahead of me. :smile:

John

Hello One pocket John,
I thank you for this live link. It worked perfect. I hope all is going well for you! Thanks again.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[CJ Wiley]

It's the picture

Mr. CJ,
I cannot click on your logo to see the 15 ball run? The red writing, I can click on CJ Riley.com with no problem.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

It's the picture, I called it "Logo", and that's not accurate is it.... Just click on the picture that says "Discover Your Best Game" and it will take you there.

 

[ThePoliteSniper]

Why is this in my inbox?

 

[CJ Wiley]

come down and visit Buffalo Billiards

Hello CJ,
I practice like that all the time when I am practicing one pocket. I tried to tell a few of my friends about how I run all 15 balls in one pocket, and they laughed at me. So, now I go in the back of the worlds pool hall, Buffalo Billiards in New Orleans/Metairie, Louisiana to practice my one pocket.
I do not move balls or take ball in hand after the break either.

It is not an easy task to run 15 balls in one pocket after the break without ball in hand. And on pockets as tight as your table has, it is even more of a hard job to do this. Thanks again Mr. CJ. One picture is worth a thousand words!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

I want to come down and visit Buffalo Billiards, the White Diamonds tournament is next weekend isn't it? I wish the place had better ventilation, but "when in Rome, do as the Romans," maybe I'll come down to that tournament and shoot over to New Orleans for a day or two.

Yes, LNL, this is a really good practice drill for one pocket and straight pool players. I used to practice it a lot on the 5/10, and it was a accomplishment to run them all on that table.

 

[Lock N Load]

I want to come down and visit Buffalo Billiards, the White Diamonds tournament is next weekend isn't it? I wish the place had better ventilation, but "when in Rome, do as the Romans," maybe I'll come down to that tournament and shoot over to New Orleans for a day or two.

Yes, LNL, this is a really good practice drill for one pocket and straight pool players. I used to practice it a lot on the 5/10, and it was a accomplishment to run them all on that table.

You would be a welcome sight, Mr. CJ. The worlds pool hall has two smoke machines that work real good. They are right in the front by the money tables. Come on down, Mr. CJ you wont regret it a bit.
I did see the run of the 29 balls. Thanks again.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[flash5153]

Nice shooting.
Whats the story with that painting above the fireplace? I kinda like it. Good looking display of trophies too.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Mary Avina ([url]www.maryavina.com[/url]) painted it when we were in Tunica Miss.

Nice shooting.
Whats the story with that painting above the fireplace? I kinda like it. Good looking display of trophies too.

My girlfriend, Mary Avina (www.maryavina.com) painted it when we were in Tunica Mississippi interviewing Earl Strickland about his "Million Dollar Challenge" win. We needed some "pool decor" for the walls where we were setting up, so Mary just painted that while I went to get some food with Earl.

 

[flash5153]

My girlfriend, Mary Avina (www.maryavina.com) painted it when we were in Tunica Mississippi interviewing Earl Strickland about his "Million Dollar Challenge" win. We needed some "pool decor" for the walls where we were setting up, so Mary just painted that while I went to get some food with Earl.

That's very cool,,I knew there was a story behind it. She did a great job,but I didn't expect this answer. Make some prints please,,lol. I want one!!!

 

[gbru]

CJ -- Great shooting for sure.

But, as to pocket size-- from the WPA's Tournament Table and Equipment Specifications:

"The pocket openings for pool tables are measured between opposing cushion noses where the direction changes into the pocket (from pointed lip to pointed lip). This is called mouth."​

So, regardless of how many shims are on those pockets, they are about 4 1/2", not 4 1/8".

Just for comparison, 4 1/2" is pretty much the standard size now for the tables Diamond supplies for pro tournaments.

Thanks Atlarge....I just get tired of pool players exaggerating pocket size....especially those who should know better. Many times broadcasters will say...."and they are playing on 4" pockets"...! When they are usually playing on 4 1/2'' pockets or a little tighter.

It doesn't take much effort to take the straight edge rule and measure the pocket opening at the points. I don't know how accurate it was but I held a piece of paper to the computer on C.J.'s photo and marked 4 1/4" and 4 1/2" on the sheet of paper and then placed it over the pocket opening at the pointed lips....It does appear by that measurement that the pockets may be a "smidgen" smaller than 4 1/2"....

A couple of years ago I had my table tightened by extending the rails because I didn't want shims....I ended up with 4 7/16" pockets....there about. However....one or two pockets measured a little smaller...maybe 4 3/8".

I just want people to know the correct way to measure pocket openings.

Once again...nice shooting C.J.....on what I would call tight pockets....especially considering the "depth of the shelf" which appears to be (1 3/4").... which makes the pockets even more difficult.

There is a formula for determining difficulty of pockets on pool tables....

Multiply pocket opening at pointed lips by pocket opening at the back of pocket and then divide by length of pocket shelf....

Mine table is 4 7/16" x 3 5/8" divided by 1 3/4".....9.19 difficulty.

 

[backplaying]

Thanks Atlarge....I just get tired of pool players exaggerating pocket size....especially those who should know better. Many times broadcasters will say...."and they are playing on 4" pockets"...! When they are usually playing on 4 1/2'' pockets or a little tighter.

It doesn't take much effort to take the straight edge rule and measure the pocket opening at the points. I don't know how accurate it was but I held a piece of paper to the computer on C.J.'s photo and marked 4 1/4" and 4 1/2" on the sheet of paper and then placed it over the pocket opening at the pointed lips....It does appear by that measurement that the pockets may be a "smidgen" smaller than 4 1/2"....

A couple of years ago I had my table tightened by extending the rails because I didn't want shims....I ended up with 4 7/16" pockets....there about. However....one or two pockets measured a little smaller...maybe 4 3/8".

I just want people to know the correct way to measure pocket openings.

Once again...nice shooting C.J.....on what I would call tight pockets....especially considering the "depth of the shelf" which appears to be (1 3/4").... which makes the pockets even more difficult.

There is a formula for determining difficulty of pockets on pool tables....

Multiply pocket opening at pointed lips by pocket opening at the back of pocket and then divide by length of pocket shelf....

Mine table is 4 7/16" x 3 5/8" divided by 1 3/4".....9.19 difficulty.

I really don't need someone telling me the standard of measuring pockets. If two balls that are 2 1/4" won't fit into the pocket they are smaller than 4 1/2", and no one is going to make me believe different..

 

[gbru]

I really don't need someone telling me the standard of measuring pockets. If two balls that are 2 1/4" won't fit into the pocket they are smaller than 4 1/2", and no one is going to make me believe different..

You do realize that pockets get tighter the further back you go....Don't you....?

Like I said....My home table is 4 7/16".... but at the rear of the pocket it is 3 5/8"....The same goes for the pockets in the video.

Just measure the opening at the points and you will have the correct opening size.....It's a "no brainer".

 

[CJ Wiley]

if we lose our control or your concentration for an instant it will be over.

Thanks Atlarge....I just get tired of pool players exaggerating pocket size....especially those who should know better. Many times broadcasters will say...."and they are playing on 4" pockets"...! When they are usually playing on 4 1/2'' pockets or a little tighter.

It doesn't take much effort to take the straight edge rule and measure the pocket opening at the points. I don't know how accurate it was but I held a piece of paper to the computer on C.J.'s photo and marked 4 1/4" and 4 1/2" on the sheet of paper and then placed it over the pocket opening at the pointed lips....It does appear by that measurement that the pockets may be a "smidgen" smaller than 4 1/2"....

A couple of years ago I had my table tightened by extending the rails because I didn't want shims....I ended up with 4 7/16" pockets....there about. However....one or two pockets measured a little smaller...maybe 4 3/8".

I just want people to know the correct way to measure pocket openings.

Once again...nice shooting C.J.....on what I would call tight pockets....especially considering the "depth of the shelf" which appears to be (1 3/4").... which makes the pockets even more difficult.

There is a formula for determining difficulty of pockets on pool tables....

Multiply pocket opening at pointed lips by pocket opening at the back of pocket and then divide by length of pocket shelf....

Mine table is 4 7/16" x 3 5/8" divided by 1 3/4".....9.19 difficulty.

I understand, and ironically I've owned that pool table for 17 years and that's the first time I've measured not only those pockets, but ANY pockets. We always just put two object balls in the pockets and "eyed" the shelf, and the real test was actually playing on the table. The angles coming into the pocket are a big factor. I play on a table in Ft. Worth that have pockets that you CAN NOT possibly make certain shots and draw the cue ball to the other end of the table.

I really like tight pockets, however, they must be fair where you at least have some options rather than just "cinching" the ball when it's close to the rail.

My table is a little less than 4.5 at the most outer opening of the pocket, and angles in to 4", so there are certain angles that you have to play carefully. The cloth is new and only had about 10 days play so it will get more difficult in the next couple of weeks.

My style of play with the "Touch" of Inside encourages the balls to be slightly over cut, so you won't see many "wobble" in. The purpose of running all the balls in one pocket was to show players that had trouble understanding how the TOI Technique is used to play straight pool or one pocket.

I know we can't see "everything" in those 29 shots, however, I don't know a better way to show that level of precision and shot-making in a length of time that doesn't get "uneventful". One fact about that type game, if we lose our control or your concentration for an instant it will be over. 'The Game Certainly is the Teacher'

 

[Rio19]

That's very observant and yes, the lighting would have changed slightly - after a ran the "15" (minus 1) balls I turned them out and went to my office. When Mary realized I hadn't ran the 15 Balls {as I had announced} she went back in and turned them on, probably moving them a bit. I'm pretty sure I unplugged one to plug a CD player so that light probably moved.

We had 3 sets of lights around the circumference of the room for "effect". My light above the table came with the house and needs to be upgraded, but for video it's difficult to use a regular "pool table" light.

I still think that worked out pretty cool and I'm glad to be able to share, it's the first time we've filmed since the 'Touch Of Inside" video. Our next project will start this week and I can "bank" on it.

It is amazing how people hate because they can't do what you do.

Thank you Mr. Wiley for posting your video. I am working on using TOI and it is an adjustment. I am sure when I am able to order the Video I will get a better understanding of it.

Thank You and again for everything you do for this Forum....

 

[JB Cases]

My girlfriend, Mary Avina (www.maryavina.com) painted it when we were in Tunica Mississippi interviewing Earl Strickland about his "Million Dollar Challenge" win. We needed some "pool decor" for the walls where we were setting up, so Mary just painted that while I went to get some food with Earl.

I was just about to go gossip girl on you and ask if you and Mary are a couple. Well, I think you are certainly a great looking couple and absolutely a pool power couple in my book.

 

[CreeDo]

This was a really impressive video. I can really see a difference in CJ's play style vs. others.
Lots of firmly struck, stunned shots, most shots look on/near the vertical axis.
And, as advertised, he's seldom having to spin balls around the rails with outside.

Can you guys imagine scott frost's video showing the same feat?
No question he could, but there'd probably be lots more slow outside spin shots.
More than one way to skin this cat, but CJ does make it look easy.

The whole pocket argument is silly,
"Those are 4.5 at the openings so they're just a regular diamond!!!!"
...duh, what if the table is 4.5" at the opening and 1" at the throats,
is that a standard diamond pocket too? You need more than a single measurement
to judge how difficult a pocket plays. These are clearly tough pockets.

Nice shooting CJ. Hope to see more of these.

 

[gbru]

This was a really impressive video. I can really see a difference in CJ's play style vs. others.
Lots of firmly struck, stunned shots, most shots look on/near the vertical axis.
And, as advertised, he's seldom having to spin balls around the rails with outside.

Can you guys imagine scott frost's video showing the same feat?
No question he could, but there'd probably be lots more slow outside spin shots.
More than one way to skin this cat, but CJ does make it look easy.

The whole pocket argument is silly,
"Those are 4.5 at the openings so they're just a regular diamond!!!!"
...duh, what if the table is 4.5" at the opening and 1" at the throats,
is that a standard diamond pocket too? You need more than a single measurement
to judge how difficult a pocket plays. These are clearly tough pockets.

Nice shooting CJ. Hope to see more of these.

Nothing against C.J's shooting....It was fantastic.

See my post #53 & 55 for your stubbbornness on pocket size....which does matter whether you think so or not.