Clean Gleem, a new kind of ball cleaning machine

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I've got a Kickstarter campaign going for Clean Gleem, a new kind of ball cleaning machine. Please take a look and consider pledging, you can get one of the first machines at a big $aving. Here's a link or just go to Kickstarter.com and search for Clean Gleem...

https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ef=nav_search&result=project&term=clean gleem

You can see a short video of the maching in action at...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUlWCFW4DPo

Appreciate your comments or questions. An earlier post was deleted, I'm assuming because the trolling got out of hand. Hope to have better luck with this one.

Thanks.
 

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I think its a cool product. I have a question tho: how is re-posting supposed to change the tenor of the replies? I followed the original til it got nutty. Hope you do well with your invention. Is it going as originally shown or are you doing any mods. based on what you've heard?
 
Despite the wandering trail in the last thread...

Glenn did have a good idea for using two different speeds to induce the tumbling effect. Would this be an option for you? Or, are you moving with your product, as is?
 
slach said:
I've got a Kickstarter campaign going for Clean Gleem, a new kind of ball cleaning machine. Please take a look and consider pledging, you can get one of the first machines at a big $aving. Here's a link or just go to Kickstarter.com and search for Clean Gleem....
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Are you making any changes in the machine in light of the suggestions in your prior thread on this?
 
Buster8001 said:
Despite the wandering trail in the last thread...

Glenn did have a good idea for using two different speeds to induce the tumbling effect. Would this be an option for you? Or, are you moving with your product, as is?
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What we have now works great. We are trying out some modifications to see if they could improve the machine, nothing definite so far.
 
Good morning, Slach. :)

Here’s wishing you the very best of luck with your enterprise, sir.

I have one suggestion for what it’s worth, dear fellow: How about having CLEAN GLEEM laser engraved on the side of the case in an attractive typeface? Purely aesthetic of course, but for a relatively small cost I think this sort of attention to detail really gives any product a boost.

Best wishes,
RC.
 
Sooo, you didn't like the responses in the previous thread (free advertising) about this ill-conceived product, so now you're starting ANOTHER ONE???

OK.

My same response:

The balls do not travel on all 3 (6 really) axes, as the do on a DIAMOND or BLUDWORTH.

Per your own video, the balls in this contraption only travel on a single axis. The results in a clean channel, not a clean ball.

Watch the video, folks. The balls are 100% spinning on the same "line", until the guy moves them with his hand.

This is NOT necessary with a DIAMOND or BLUDWORTH. They both SPIN & TURN the balls as they are being cleaned - no hands required.

Based on this, and the FACT that the corner ball is about to jump out (poor design), this should be priced under $200.00.

NO WAY this is worth $600.00. Or 500, or 400....

How can you charge the SAME as Diamond and Bludworth?? These are established, proven products and both are Best-in-Class.

You built a YUGO yet you want to price it like an S-CLASS??

The reason that I am attacking you again is that this product is all about hype, not substance. Will it get balls clean? Maybe, if you rub them to change direction.

And you're using AZ as your product launch platform - for free.

SMH

-von
 
VonRhett said:
Sooo, you didn't like the responses in the previous thread (free advertising) about this ill-conceived product, so now you're starting ANOTHER ONE???

OK.

My same response:

The balls do not travel on all 3 (6 really) axes, as the do on a DIAMOND or BLUDWORTH.

Per your own video, the balls in this contraption only travel on a single axis. The results in a clean channel, not a clean ball.

Watch the video, folks. The balls are 100% spinning on the same "line", until the guy moves them with his hand.

This is NOT necessary with a DIAMOND or BLUDWORTH. They both SPIN & TURN the balls as they are being cleaned - no hands required.

Based on this, and the FACT that the corner ball is about to jump out (poor design), this should be priced under $200.00.

NO WAY this is worth $600.00. Or 500, or 400....

How can you charge the SAME as Diamond and Bludworth?? These are established, proven products and both are Best-in-Class.

You built a YUGO yet you want to price it like an S-CLASS??

The reason that I am attacking you again is that this product is all about hype, not substance. Will it get balls clean? Maybe, if you rub them to change direction.

And you're using AZ as your product launch platform - for free.

SMH

-von
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The other thread was deleted by the mods because it became another toxic flame war thread.
 
slach said:
What we have now works great. We are trying out some modifications to see if they could improve the machine, nothing definite so far.
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I've used the Bludworth for 23 years and it does a very good job. Yes, it does spin the balls mainly on the same plane, but not entirely. If you look at the striped balls while they are spinning fast, the lines (color patterns) on them do change a little bit while they are spinning, indicating they are revolving somewhat. Also, the felt strips wrapped around the sides of each hole contact the entire surface area of the balls that the base plate spinning felt pad doesn't contact as much, so I have to somewhat disagree with Glen on this aspect. Regarding your prototype, I'd be most concerned with the vibration causing some of the balls to appear to nearly jump out of the holes. I'd guess this could be easily remedied by slowing the the RPM's on the motor, if possible. Believe me, even if it only happens one time, it will destroy the ball beyond repair which will result in a very unhappy customer!
 
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VonRhett said:
Sooo, you didn't like the responses in the previous thread (free advertising) about this ill-conceived product, so now you're starting ANOTHER ONE???

OK.

My same response:

The balls do not travel on all 3 (6 really) axes, as the do on a DIAMOND or BLUDWORTH or BALLSTAR.

Per your own video, the balls in this contraption only travel on a single axis. The results in a clean channel, not a clean ball.

Watch the video, folks. The balls are 100% spinning on the same "line", until the guy moves them with his hand.

This is NOT necessary with a DIAMOND or BLUDWORTH or BALLSTAR. They both SPIN & TURN the balls as they are being cleaned - no hands required.

Based on this, and the FACT that the corner ball is about to jump out (poor design), this should be priced under $200.00.

NO WAY this is worth $600.00. Or 500, or 400....

How can you charge the SAME as Diamond and Bludworth and BALLSTAR ?? These are established, proven products and both are Best-in-Class.

You built a YUGO yet you want to price it like an S-CLASS??

The reason that I am attacking you again is that this product is all about hype, not substance. Will it get balls clean? Maybe, if you rub them to change direction.

And you're using AZ as your product launch platform - for free.

SMH

-von
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fixed your reply for you :)
 
Cool product. Never hurts to think outside the box. If V1 doesn't work perfectly, there's always v2.

Hopefully you get to a point where you can mass produce a competing product for less than what exists. I totally understand the cost of coming to market with a new product built from scratch. It's not easy to break the mold - and do it cheaper on the first go 'round.

-td
 
Rubik's Cube said:
Good morning, Slach. :)

Here’s wishing you the very best of luck with your enterprise, sir.

I have one suggestion for what it’s worth, dear fellow: How about having CLEAN GLEEM laser engraved on the side of the case in an attractive typeface? Purely aesthetic of course, but for a relatively small cost I think this sort of attention to detail really gives any product a boost.

Best wishes,
RC.
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Like the idea, we'll need to look into this. Thanks.
 
ChrisinNC said:
I've used the Bludworth for 23 years and it does a very good job. Yes, it does spin the balls mainly on the same plane, but not entirely. If you look at the striped balls while they are spinning fast, the lines (color patterns) on them do change a little bit while they are spinning, indicating they are revolving somewhat. Also, the felt strips wrapped around the sides of each hole contact the entire surface area of the balls that the base plate spinning felt pad doesn't contact as much, so I have to somewhat disagree with Glen on this aspect. Regarding your prototype, I'd be most concerned with the vibration causing some of the balls to appear to nearly jump out of the holes. I'd guess this could be easily remedied by slowing the the RPM's on the motor, if possible. Believe me, even if it only happens one time, it will destroy the ball beyond repair which will result in a very unhappy customer!
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Good observation about the 'bouncing'. We've run different sets of balls for hours, with and without cleaner on them, and never had one pop out. Seeing the machine working in person you'd probably not be very concerned about a ball popping out.
 
slach said:
I've got a Kickstarter campaign going for Clean Gleem, a new kind of ball cleaning machine. Please take a look and consider pledging, you can get one of the first machines at a big $aving. Here's a link or just go to Kickstarter.com and search for Clean Gleem...

https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ef=nav_search&result=project&term=clean gleem

You can see a short video of the maching in action at...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUlWCFW4DPo

Appreciate your comments or questions. An earlier post was deleted, I'm assuming because the trolling got out of hand. Hope to have better luck with this one.

Thanks.
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Cone shape taper the rollers opposite from each other, that'll cause the back trailing edge of the ball to want to roll down hill to the right, while the opposite effect, the leading edge of the ball would be trying to roll down hill to the left, causing the balls to want to twist while they're spinning.....that's my .02
 
Still needs a lid, imo.

Dual benefit of securing balls in while in use, and keeping contaminants out when not in use.

I don't particularly like blud's plexiglass one. One that slides in/out of the box would be slick. See "aluminum roll-up shutter curtain".

So much for making it cheaper! :eek:
 
as someone who ran a business for 20+ years, i'm not seeing your value proposition here.

kickstarter aside, you're coming in at about the same price as the several existing machines on the market, all of which work fine, with a device that has not withstood the test of time.

what sets yours apart that someone should choose it over the others?
 
In my opinion you are going to have to make a case why your product is superior to machines already on the market.

I assume one card to play is that the price $100 less than the large Diamond but then again, it is the same price as the Bludworth.

Someone concerned with size can buy the Diamond 8 ball unit or the Bludworth. If price is a factor the smaller Diamond unit is $500 or $450 when purchased at a show.

Future parts availability is also something that should be addressed.

My comments are objective as I am not a customer. Earlier this year I upgraded from a vintage Champ to the smaller Diamond unit. I was going to buy the 16 ball unit but when I really thought about it, for home use cleaning all 16 balls at a time was not necessary, plus I saved $200 and the unit has a smaller footprint allowing me to keep it in the same room as my table.
 
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wigglybridge said:
as someone who ran a business for 20+ years, i'm not seeing your value proposition here.

kickstarter aside, you're coming in at about the same price as the several existing machines on the market, all of which work fine, with a device that has not withstood the test of time.

what sets yours apart that someone should choose it over the others?
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A few things going for it...
Smaller size, less weight, reasonable shipping.
Full 16 ball capacity.
Attractive.
Safe.
Innovative design.
Cleans very well.
Comparing to Diamond a very competitive MSRP ($949 vs $599), available for $349 on Kickstarter.
 
slach said:
A few things going for it...
Smaller size, less weight, reasonable shipping.
Full 16 ball capacity.
Attractive.
Safe.
Innovative design.
Cleans very well.
Comparing to Diamond a very competitive MSRP ($949 vs $599), available for $349 on Kickstarter.
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When you throw out the price an the Diamonds, does it really help your sales when quote the highest prices you can find to compare to? Factory price is $700 for the double, and $500 for the single.
 
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