CNC Suggestions Calibration?

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Rick Geschrey
Silver Member
Hi,

I am experiencing problems with my X Axis losing steps on pockets being milled on 30 degree placement on the Rotary A. A few weeks ago Dano was losing steps in his Scull Geometry and his solutions was to reduce his motor tuning in the Config area in Mach 3 Mill.

I have been experimenting and testing different combos and it went from about .008 change per part to about .004 when viewed on the A as a reference.

I have doubled checked my G-Code and it was posted correctly numerically.

I started out with my X And Y with these parameters in the motor tuning when I was getting the .008 run out per part.

Steps @ 20000 Velocity @ 15 Accel @ .095 Steps Pulse @ 4 Dir Pulse @ 0

After reviewing Dano's thread I changed to:

Steps @ 20000 Velocity @ 10 Acecel @ .04 Steps Pulse @ 4 Dir Pulse @ 0

After changing to this configuration it got better but was still very bad when the last part at 330 was compared to 0 after the routine.

I then changed to:

Steps @ 20000 Velocity @ 5 Acecel @ .02 Steps Pulse @ 4 Dir Pulse @ 0

Now I have a .004 run out on the X which adds up to the Part at 0 degrees and the part at 330 being .048 off on the X total.

All of my parts and pocket seem to be perfect and the compensation is working just fine so I am guessing my machine is running OK but for some reason I am losing steps in perfect increments as the group of pocket is presenting in a slight spiraling effect. Each pocket is being milled a two depth elevations with a .004 clean up pass on the side walls. There is no problem with the X or Y as these geometries are prefect as the walls are not stepping off like I saw on Dan's problem. My problem seems to be getting back to the Zero reference start point before the rotary A axis turns 30 degrees.

I have checked all my love joy connections and marked them and they are rock solid.

At this time I am starting to question the 20000 steps and the 4 and 0 pulse numbers but since there are numerous permutations I am afraid to mud the waters of diagnosis.

The most frustrating part of this dilemma I am experiencing is that every now and then during my testing the out come comes out with the correct geometry? banghead The cue I am building has 150 inlays and I don't want to commit to the pockets on that cue until I see it repeat. Gremlins at work to say the least.

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Rick G

Here is a pic on a test piece showing the problem:
IMG_4059.jpg


Here is a piece of another test showing the 0 and 330 area and it is ok. I can't get it to test and be repeatable.

IMG_4060.jpg
 
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If your pocket dimensions are coming out correct, but it is in a different location, it would appear to me that you may be losing steps during your rapid feed to the next pocket. Sometimes this can happen if your machine is binding on the x axis. This is a common problem when riding on dovetail ways (which i don't know if you are or aren't). I used to have a maching that this was an issue on. It had a short x axis and with the weight of a 4th axis fixture on one end of the bed, it would sometime miss a step and bind on the ways (especially in rapid feeds to another pocket). It may just be a case of lubricating the ways. That is just something to think about (just sharing what i used to experience before I purchased my current machine). Hope you get it figured out.
 
If your pocket dimensions are coming out correct, but it is in a different location, it would appear to me that you may be losing steps during your rapid feed to the next pocket. Sometimes this can happen if your machine is binding on the x axis. This is a common problem when riding on dovetail ways (which i don't know if you are or aren't). I used to have a maching that this was an issue on. It had a short x axis and with the weight of a 4th axis fixture on one end of the bed, it would sometime miss a step and bind on the ways (especially in rapid feeds to another pocket). It may just be a case of lubricating the ways. That is just something to think about (just sharing what i used to experience before I purchased my current machine). Hope you get it figured out.

Thanks for your input Tim,

I am using a Cue Monster. We keep the lead screws and hardened liner travel rods very clean and lubed. I have an enclosed box with huge suction and air to keep that environment clean.

What is puzzling is that the error is so exacting from pocket to pocket on the X.

Thank again,

Rick
 
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Thanks for your input Tim,

I am using a Cue Monster. We keep the lead screws and hardened liner travel rods very clean and lubes. I have an enclosed box with huge suction and air to keep that environment clean.

What is puzzling is that the error is so exacting from pocket to pocket on the X.

Thank again,

Rick

5 ipm is pretty slow. That wold be how fast the machine can rapid. Can you post up your code on one that you know mis positions? I am wondering if it is not missing step but maybe your work offset is getting shifted some how.

Jim.
 
skipping steps,

hi rick
i had a problem like this i was scaling a file down by 20% . same thing as you got
when i scaled down to 40% my cuts cleaned up.

i dont know if you have scaled the file down.
mike
 
hi rick
i had a problem like this i was scaling a file down by 20% . same thing as you got
when i scaled down to 40% my cuts cleaned up.

i dont know if you have scaled the file down.
mike

Bobcad is not smart enough to know the cutter diameter is larger than the bottom tip of that inlay?
I know Mastercam is.
Thanks.
 
5 ipm is pretty slow. That wold be how fast the machine can rapid. Can you post up your code on one that you know mis positions? I am wondering if it is not missing step but maybe your work offset is getting shifted some how.

Jim.

Jim,

I will post the code tonight after I am done in the shop via a thumb drive to my computer in my house. My only Internet connention is my IPod in the shop.

Thank you for offering to look at it.

I don't usually run that slow but I was testing and slowing things down as my error was reducing just to observe differences.

Thanks again,

Rick
 
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hi rick
i had a problem like this i was scaling a file down by 20% . same thing as you got
when i scaled down to 40% my cuts cleaned up.

i dont know if you have scaled the file down.
mike

Mike,

I did not translate the size down as this was the size I drew the feature. I have seen the problem you are talking about after resizing also. That was another bad dream.:scratchhead:

Rick
 
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Bobcad is not smart enough to know the cutter diameter is larger than the bottom tip of that inlay?
I know Mastercam is.
Thanks.

Hi Joe,

It is smart enough because it would refuse to the create a tool path into an area less than the dia. of the mill.

The 3 sharp corners of the pocket were cut outward using separate feature profile slots for part insertion clearance. That tip area you see is actually two profile lines that allow my cutter to fit within the pocket tool path as the cutter don't fit in that tight angle.

Rick

That slot disappears after the parts are glued in without the use of black dye because of the ebony is the background to the ivory inlay. The 2D Vectorized geometry don't care if it is BobCad or MasterCam.
IMG_4064.jpg
 
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5 ipm is pretty slow. That wold be how fast the machine can rapid. Can you post up your code on one that you know mis positions? I am wondering if it is not missing step but maybe your work offset is getting shifted some how.

Jim.

Hi Jim,

Here is the G Code that gave me the .004 error each time the the rotary output moved 30 degrees on the A at the slowest setting I described in the motor tuning config.

Please note there are 24 jobs, 2 for each pocket. The Jobs called Atoothslots are just small lines (contour) to open up the tool path geometry for the sharp corners to work.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Rick G

The G Code was too large for one post. 2nd half is in next post.


(BEGIN PREDATOR NC HEADER)
(MACH_FILE=3AXVMILL.MCH)
(MTOOL T1 S1 D.028 H1.5 DIAM_OFFSET 1 = .014)
(SBOX X0. Y-.1125 Z-1. L.621 W.1125 H0.)
(END PREDATOR NC HEADER)

%
O100
(PROGRAM NUMBER)
(PROGRAM NAME - ATOOTH.NC)
(POST - MACH 3 MILL)
(DATE - THU. 01/26/2012)
(TIME - 09:57AM)

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N02 G53 Z0.

(JOB 1 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

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(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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(JOB 3 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

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(JOB 4 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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N166 X.0677 Y.0314
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N171 X.055 Y.0466
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(JOB 4 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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(JOB 5 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

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N199 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N200 G00 Z.1
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N203 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N204 G00 Z.1
N205 X.5161 Y.0032
N206 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N207 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N208 X.5149 Y-.0035
N209 G00 Z.1

(JOB 6 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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N213 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N214 X.0932 Y.0008
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N218 X.1694 Y0.
N219 X.0805 Y.0161
N220 Y-.0008
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N224 X.0677 Y.0314
N225 Y-.0008
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N228 X.3125 Y0.
N229 X.055 Y.0466
N230 Y-.0008
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N234 X.0422 Y.0619
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N238 X.4555 Y0.
N239 X.0295 Y.0772
N240 Y-.0008
N241 X.0168
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N243 X.527 Y0.
N244 X.0168 Y.0924
N245 Y-.0008
N246 G00 Z.1
N247 X.0932
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N249 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N250 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N251 X.0932 Y.0008
N252 Y-.0008
N253 X.0805
N254 Y-.0161
N255 X.1694 Y0.
N256 X.0805 Y.0161
N257 Y-.0008
N258 X.0677
N259 Y-.0314
N260 X.2409 Y0.
N261 X.0677 Y.0314
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N266 X.055 Y.0466
N267 Y-.0008
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N270 X.384 Y0.
N271 X.0422 Y.0619
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N276 X.0295 Y.0772
N277 Y-.0008
N278 X.0168
N279 Y-.0924
N280 X.527 Y0.
N281 X.0168 Y.0924
N282 Y-.0008
N283 G00 Z.1

(JOB 6 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N284 X.0127 Y-.0972
N285 A60.
N286 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N287 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N288 X.0127 Y.0972
N289 Y-.0972
N290 G00 Z.1

(JOB 7 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

N291 X.0141 Y.0955
N292 A90.
N293 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N294 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N295 G00 Z.1
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N297 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N298 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N299 G00 Z.1
N300 X.5161 Y.0032
N301 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N302 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N303 X.5149 Y-.0035
N304 G00 Z.1

(JOB 8 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N305 X.0932 Y-.0008
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N308 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N309 X.0932 Y.0008
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N335 Y-.0008
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N339 X.0168 Y.0924
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N372 Y-.0008
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N376 X.0168 Y.0924
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N378 G00 Z.1

(JOB 8 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N379 X.0127 Y-.0972
N380 A90.
N381 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N382 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N383 X.0127 Y.0972
N384 Y-.0972
N385 G00 Z.1

(JOB 9 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

N386 X.0141 Y.0955
N387 A120.
N388 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N389 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N390 G00 Z.1
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N392 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N393 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N394 G00 Z.1
N395 X.5161 Y.0032
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N397 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N398 X.5149 Y-.0035
N399 G00 Z.1

(JOB 10 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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N403 X.0979 Y0. F5.
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(JOB 10 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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N476 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N477 X.5495 Y0. F5.
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N480 G00 Z.1

(JOB 11 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

N481 X.0141 Y.0955
N482 A150.
N483 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N484 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N485 G00 Z.1
N486 X.0133 Y-.0968
N487 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N488 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N489 G00 Z.1
N490 X.5161 Y.0032
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N493 X.5149 Y-.0035
N494 G00 Z.1

(JOB 12 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

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N531 G00 Z.1
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N539 Y-.0161
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N541 X.0805 Y.0161
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N546 X.0677 Y.0314
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N551 X.055 Y.0466
N552 Y-.0008
N553 X.0422
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N561 X.0295 Y.0772
N562 Y-.0008
N563 X.0168
N564 Y-.0924
N565 X.527 Y0.
N566 X.0168 Y.0924
N567 Y-.0008
N568 G00 Z.1

(JOB 12 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N569 X.0127 Y-.0972
N570 A150.
N571 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N572 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N573 X.0127 Y.0972
N574 Y-.0972
N575 G00 Z.1

(JOB 13 CONTOUR)
(ATOOTHSLOTS)

N576 X.0141 Y.0955
N577 A180.
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N579 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
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N581 X.0133 Y-.0968
N582 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N583 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N584 G00 Z.1
N585 X.5161 Y.0032
N586 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N587 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N588 X.5149 Y-.0035
N589 G00 Z.1

(JOB 14 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N590 X.0932 Y-.0008
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N592 G01 Z-.0625 F6.
N593 X.0979 Y0. F5.
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N619 X.0295 Y.0772
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N623 X.527 Y0.
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N657 Y-.0008
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N660 X.527 Y0.
N661 X.0168 Y.0924
N662 Y-.0008
N663 G00 Z.1

(JOB 14 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N664 X.0127 Y-.0972
N665 A180.
N666 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N667 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N668 X.0127 Y.0972
N669 Y-.0972
N670 G00 Z.1
 
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Attention: Jim

2nd half of G Code:

(JOB 15 CONTOUR)
(210ATOOTHSLOTS)

N671 X.0141 Y.0955
N672 A210.
N673 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N674 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N675 G00 Z.1
N676 X.0133 Y-.0968
N677 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N678 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N679 G00 Z.1
N680 X.5161 Y.0032
N681 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N682 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N683 X.5149 Y-.0035
N684 G00 Z.1

(JOB 16 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N685 X.0932 Y-.0008
N686 A210.
N687 G01 Z-.0625 F6.
N688 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N689 X.0932 Y.0008
N690 Y-.0008
N691 X.0805
N692 Y-.0161
N693 X.1694 Y0.
N694 X.0805 Y.0161
N695 Y-.0008
N696 X.0677
N697 Y-.0314
N698 X.2409 Y0.
N699 X.0677 Y.0314
N700 Y-.0008
N701 X.055
N702 Y-.0466
N703 X.3125 Y0.
N704 X.055 Y.0466
N705 Y-.0008
N706 X.0422
N707 Y-.0619
N708 X.384 Y0.
N709 X.0422 Y.0619
N710 Y-.0008
N711 X.0295
N712 Y-.0772
N713 X.4555 Y0.
N714 X.0295 Y.0772
N715 Y-.0008
N716 X.0168
N717 Y-.0924
N718 X.527 Y0.
N719 X.0168 Y.0924
N720 Y-.0008
N721 G00 Z.1
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N723 Z.0375
N724 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N725 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N726 X.0932 Y.0008
N727 Y-.0008
N728 X.0805
N729 Y-.0161
N730 X.1694 Y0.
N731 X.0805 Y.0161
N732 Y-.0008
N733 X.0677
N734 Y-.0314
N735 X.2409 Y0.
N736 X.0677 Y.0314
N737 Y-.0008
N738 X.055
N739 Y-.0466
N740 X.3125 Y0.
N741 X.055 Y.0466
N742 Y-.0008
N743 X.0422
N744 Y-.0619
N745 X.384 Y0.
N746 X.0422 Y.0619
N747 Y-.0008
N748 X.0295
N749 Y-.0772
N750 X.4555 Y0.
N751 X.0295 Y.0772
N752 Y-.0008
N753 X.0168
N754 Y-.0924
N755 X.527 Y0.
N756 X.0168 Y.0924
N757 Y-.0008
N758 G00 Z.1

(JOB 16 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N759 X.0127 Y-.0972
N760 A210.
N761 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N762 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N763 X.0127 Y.0972
N764 Y-.0972
N765 G00 Z.1

(JOB 17 CONTOUR)
(240ATOOTHSLOTS)

N766 X.0141 Y.0955
N767 A240.
N768 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N769 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N770 G00 Z.1
N771 X.0133 Y-.0968
N772 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N773 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N774 G00 Z.1
N775 X.5161 Y.0032
N776 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N777 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N778 X.5149 Y-.0035
N779 G00 Z.1

(JOB 18 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N780 X.0932 Y-.0008
N781 A240.
N782 G01 Z-.0625 F6.
N783 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N784 X.0932 Y.0008
N785 Y-.0008
N786 X.0805
N787 Y-.0161
N788 X.1694 Y0.
N789 X.0805 Y.0161
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N792 Y-.0314
N793 X.2409 Y0.
N794 X.0677 Y.0314
N795 Y-.0008
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N798 X.3125 Y0.
N799 X.055 Y.0466
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N801 X.0422
N802 Y-.0619
N803 X.384 Y0.
N804 X.0422 Y.0619
N805 Y-.0008
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N807 Y-.0772
N808 X.4555 Y0.
N809 X.0295 Y.0772
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N811 X.0168
N812 Y-.0924
N813 X.527 Y0.
N814 X.0168 Y.0924
N815 Y-.0008
N816 G00 Z.1
N817 X.0932
N818 Z.0375
N819 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N820 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N821 X.0932 Y.0008
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N823 X.0805
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N826 X.0805 Y.0161
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N828 X.0677
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N831 X.0677 Y.0314
N832 Y-.0008
N833 X.055
N834 Y-.0466
N835 X.3125 Y0.
N836 X.055 Y.0466
N837 Y-.0008
N838 X.0422
N839 Y-.0619
N840 X.384 Y0.
N841 X.0422 Y.0619
N842 Y-.0008
N843 X.0295
N844 Y-.0772
N845 X.4555 Y0.
N846 X.0295 Y.0772
N847 Y-.0008
N848 X.0168
N849 Y-.0924
N850 X.527 Y0.
N851 X.0168 Y.0924
N852 Y-.0008
N853 G00 Z.1

(JOB 18 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N854 X.0127 Y-.0972
N855 A240.
N856 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N857 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N858 X.0127 Y.0972
N859 Y-.0972
N860 G00 Z.1

(JOB 19 CONTOUR)
(270ATOOTHSLOTS)

N861 X.0141 Y.0955
N862 A270.
N863 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N864 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N865 G00 Z.1
N866 X.0133 Y-.0968
N867 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N868 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N869 G00 Z.1
N870 X.5161 Y.0032
N871 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N872 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N873 X.5149 Y-.0035
N874 G00 Z.1

(JOB 20 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N875 X.085 Y-.0107
N876 A270.
N877 G01 Z-.0625 F6.
N878 X.1442 Y0. F5.
N879 X.085 Y.0107
N880 Y-.0107
N881 X.0715
N882 Y-.0269
N883 X.2199 Y0.
N884 X.0715 Y.0269
N885 Y-.0107
N886 X.058
N887 Y-.043
N888 X.2956 Y0.
N889 X.058 Y.043
N890 Y-.0107
N891 X.0445
N892 Y-.0592
N893 X.3714 Y0.
N894 X.0445 Y.0592
N895 Y-.0107
N896 X.031
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N898 X.4471 Y0.
N899 X.031 Y.0754
N900 Y-.0107
N901 X.0175
N902 Y-.0915
N903 X.5228 Y0.
N904 X.0175 Y.0915
N905 Y-.0107
N906 G00 Z.1
N907 X.085
N908 Z.0375
N909 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N910 X.1442 Y0. F5.
N911 X.085 Y.0107
N912 Y-.0107
N913 X.0715
N914 Y-.0269
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N916 X.0715 Y.0269
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N918 X.058
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N921 X.058 Y.043
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N926 X.0445 Y.0592
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N933 X.0175
N934 Y-.0915
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N936 X.0175 Y.0915
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N938 G00 Z.1

(JOB 20 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N939 X.0135 Y-.0963
N940 A270.
N941 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N942 X.5453 Y0. F5.
N943 X.0135 Y.0963
N944 Y-.0963
N945 G00 Z.1

(JOB 21 CONTOUR)
(300ATOOTHSLOTS)

N946 X.0141 Y.0955
N947 A300.
N948 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N949 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N950 G00 Z.1
N951 X.0133 Y-.0968
N952 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N953 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N954 G00 Z.1
N955 X.5161 Y.0032
N956 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N957 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N958 X.5149 Y-.0035
N959 G00 Z.1

(JOB 22 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N960 X.0932 Y-.0008
N961 A300.
N962 G01 Z-.0625 F6.
N963 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N964 X.0932 Y.0008
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N979 X.055 Y.0466
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N983 X.384 Y0.
N984 X.0422 Y.0619
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N987 Y-.0772
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N989 X.0295 Y.0772
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N991 X.0168
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N994 X.0168 Y.0924
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N996 G00 Z.1
N997 X.0932
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N1011 X.0677 Y.0314
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N1015 X.3125 Y0.
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N1027 Y-.0008
N1028 X.0168
N1029 Y-.0924
N1030 X.527 Y0.
N1031 X.0168 Y.0924
N1032 Y-.0008
N1033 G00 Z.1

(JOB 22 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N1034 X.0127 Y-.0972
N1035 A300.
N1036 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N1037 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N1038 X.0127 Y.0972
N1039 Y-.0972
N1040 G00 Z.1

(JOB 23 CONTOUR)
(330ATOOTHSLOTS)

N1041 X.0141 Y.0955
N1042 A330.
N1043 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N1044 X.0095 Y.1003 F5.
N1045 G00 Z.1
N1046 X.0133 Y-.0968
N1047 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N1048 X.0095 Y-.1003 F5.
N1049 G00 Z.1
N1050 X.5161 Y.0032
N1051 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N1052 X.6057 Y0. F5.
N1053 X.5149 Y-.0035
N1054 G00 Z.1

(JOB 24 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N1055 X.0932 Y-.0008
N1056 A330.
N1057 G01 Z-.0625 F6.
N1058 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N1059 X.0932 Y.0008
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N1061 X.0805
N1062 Y-.0161
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N1073 X.3125 Y0.
N1074 X.055 Y.0466
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N1078 X.384 Y0.
N1079 X.0422 Y.0619
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N1084 X.0295 Y.0772
N1085 Y-.0008
N1086 X.0168
N1087 Y-.0924
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N1089 X.0168 Y.0924
N1090 Y-.0008
N1091 G00 Z.1
N1092 X.0932
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N1094 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N1095 X.0979 Y0. F5.
N1096 X.0932 Y.0008
N1097 Y-.0008
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N1099 Y-.0161
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N1101 X.0805 Y.0161
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N1103 X.0677
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N1106 X.0677 Y.0314
N1107 Y-.0008
N1108 X.055
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N1110 X.3125 Y0.
N1111 X.055 Y.0466
N1112 Y-.0008
N1113 X.0422
N1114 Y-.0619
N1115 X.384 Y0.
N1116 X.0422 Y.0619
N1117 Y-.0008
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N1119 Y-.0772
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N1121 X.0295 Y.0772
N1122 Y-.0008
N1123 X.0168
N1124 Y-.0924
N1125 X.527 Y0.
N1126 X.0168 Y.0924
N1127 Y-.0008
N1128 G00 Z.1

(JOB 24 POCKET)
(ATOOTHPOCKET)

N1129 X.0127 Y-.0972
N1130 A330.
N1131 G01 Z-.125 F6.
N1132 X.5495 Y0. F5.
N1133 X.0127 Y.0972
N1134 Y-.0972
N1135 G00 Z.1
N1136 M09
N1137 M05
N1138 G53 Z0.
N1139 G53 Y0.
N1140 M02

(END OF PROGRAM)

N1141 M30
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Jim,

I will post the code tonight after I am done in the shop via a thumb drive to my computer in my house. My only Internet connention is my IPod in the shop.

Thank you for offering to look at it.

I don't usually run that slow but I was testing and slowing things down as my error was reducing just to observe differences.

Thanks again,

Rick
Rick, send me an e-mail address. I want to send you a post that will save you quite a bit of time. Better yet send me your bobcad file that created this program and let me send you back the program that I create from my post. If you like it I will send you the post and tell you how to use it. Don't worry, it is so easy it is not funny. This will eliminate any doubt about the program. Also if you could, send me a copy of your Mach3 profile. You will find it in the Mach3 directory with the file extension of .xml

If I understand you correctly your Acc is set way too low. This should cause your issue but will create others.
My e-mail is jamesbabcock@frontier.com

Jim.
 
mach 3

Bobcad is not smart enough to know the cutter diameter is larger than the bottom tip of that inlay?
I know Mastercam is.
Thanks.


hi joey
not what i was talking about my y axis is 24 inches, the imported file i was working with was 24 inches y axis i kept bumping my limit switch.
i tried to scale down the file by 20% it kept on skipping steps on the x axis i got on mach 3 forum someone suggested that i scale down the file by 40% anyway that stopped my cnc from skipping steps on that file
im not saying im right, there is alot to writing a g code and m code file.
but what rick is running into look like what my cnc was doing.
so i dont know if rick scale his file down or not,
but if he did scale down his file then maybe this infor might be helpful.
needless to say i was just trying to help.
rick i hope you get it figured out.
mike


mike
 
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hi joey
not what i was talking about my y axis is 24 inches, the imported file i was working with was 24 inches y axis i kept bumping my limit switch.
i tried to scale down the file by 20% it kept on skipping steps on the x axis i got on mach 3 forum someone suggested that i scale down the file by 40% anyway that stopped my cnc from skipping steps on that file
im not saying im right, there is alot to writing a g code and m code file.
but what rick is running into look like what my cnc was doing.
so i dont know if rick scale his file down or not,
but if he did scale down his file then maybe this infor might be helpful.
needless to say i was just trying to help.
rick i hope you get it figured out.
mike


mike

Mile,

I guess I did not understand the what scale down the file meant. I thought you were referring to scaling down the geometry in the cad.

Rick
 
hi joey
not what i was talking about my y axis is 24 inches, the imported file i was working with was 24 inches y axis i kept bumping my limit switch.
i tried to scale down the file by 20% it kept on skipping steps on the x axis i got on mach 3 forum someone suggested that i scale down the file by 40% anyway that stopped my cnc from skipping steps on that file
im not saying im right, there is alot to writing a g code and m code file.
but what rick is running into look like what my cnc was doing.
so i dont know if rick scale his file down or not,
but if he did scale down his file then maybe this infor might be helpful.
needless to say i was just trying to help.
rick i hope you get it figured out.
mike


mike
K, thanks. I don't BobCad all that well.
Looking at that , I'm thinking missteps or cutter comp is off.
Being that the errors are so similar, missteps might not be the culprit.
I leave it MC2. He da man in CNC.
 
cnc

hi joey
im a begginer its been quiet the struggle learning mach 3 and cam bam
so i really feel for the person having a problem.
mike
 
Hi Guys,

Problem Solved!:speechless:

Thanks to Tim, Jim, Neil, Mike Joey, & Rob for trying to help me with this problem I was having. In the end it was a push off or tool resistence thing on the X Axis as I was milling .125 slots at full embedment and it was throwing of the X exactly on each part thus causing the .004 offset radially.

Tim Prince was the first to weigh in and his thoughts sent me on final approach and right glide path to ending my nightmare. It was only after reviewing his post that I realized the problem because my ears told me the story.

I am starting a new thread to share some things I learned and show some pics and BobCad screen illustrations so that we can all learn just a little from the 5 day loss of time nightmare I just went through.

Again thanks to all who gave their thoughts and support. We all gain when we share information and this time I was on the receiving end big time. AZ is a great outlet for us cue makers and a great place to learn and interface with fine people whom I consider my friends.

Rick G
 
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Hi Guys,

Problem Solved!:speechless:

Thanks to Tim, Jim, Neil, Mike Joey, & Rob for trying to help me with this problem I was having. In the end it was a push off or tool resistence thing on the X Axis as I was milling .125 slots at full embedment and it was throwing of the X exactly on each part thus causing the .004 offset radially.

Tim Prince was the first to weigh in and his thoughts sent me on final approach and right glide path to ending my nightmare. It was only after reviewing his post that I realized the problem because my ears told me the story.

I am starting a new thread to share some things I learned and show some pics and BobCad screen illustrations so that we can all learn just a little from the 5 day loss of time nightmare I just went through.

Again thanks to all who gave their thoughts and support. We all gain when we share information and this time I was on the receiving end big time. AZ is a great outlet for us cue makers and a great place to learn and interface with fine people whom I consider my friends.

Rick G

Rick, glad you found your issue. I thought it was mechanical. You should really consider my offer though. I think I can save you allot of time when you create your tool paths in Bobcad. I would have only created one pocket and not 12. Bobcad is not very helpful when it comes to repeatedly cutting pockets with indexes. I have come up with a much better solution. The fix is built into the post proc. Your program would only be 1/12 the size that you posted.

Jim.
 
Hi Guys,

Problem Solved!:speechless:

Thanks to Tim, Jim, Neil, Mike Joey, & Rob for trying to help me with this problem I was having. In the end it was a push off or tool resistence thing on the X Axis as I was milling .125 slots at full embedment and it was throwing of the X exactly on each part thus causing the .004 offset radially.

Tim Prince was the first to weigh in and his thoughts sent me on final approach and right glide path to ending my nightmare. It was only after reviewing his post that I realized the problem because my ears told me the story.

I am starting a new thread to share some things I learned and show some pics and BobCad screen illustrations so that we can all learn just a little from the 5 day loss of time nightmare I just went through.

Again thanks to all who gave their thoughts and support. We all gain when we share information and this time I was on the receiving end big time. AZ is a great outlet for us cue makers and a great place to learn and interface with fine people whom I consider my friends.

Rick G

I never cut full depth in one pass. I seldom cut deeper than .040 in one pass. I run my machine at 40 ipm unless I'm cutting stone or ivory and then I cut at 30 ipm.

Dick
 
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