Coaching Options in New York (Manhattan)

Ken Barlow

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Have any of you had any experience with Professional Coaches in New York? I'm looking to get some lessons, have found the list of certified instructors, know where to go, but want to hear from your experiences / recomendations before making my decision.

Been playing for a long time now and can hold my own against the majority of players around, but would like to take it to the next level. Last time i had a rating it was fluxuating between a B+ and A-.
 
1. Tony Robles
2. Tony Robles
3. Tony Robles

I hope this helps you narrow the list.
 
I know he's got speed as a player but is he really that good at the coaching? (No disrespect intended here if you're reading Tony)
 
Ken Barlow said:
I know he's got speed as a player but is he really that good at the coaching? (No disrespect intended here if you're reading Tony)

Give him a try. I think you'll be glad you did.
 
It sounds like you are more interested in the strategic aspects of the game (as opposed to improving your pocketing skills). If I was anywhere near Manhattan, I would definitely try to spend some time with AZB's own sjm. His interest in and knowledge of the strategic aspects of 9-ball and straight pool are very impressive. I've heard (from him) that he is somewhat of a tough taskmaster for those he agrees to coach; but to me it would definitely be worth it. Very few players have seen as much high level pool as he has; and even fewer have the level of interest in the finer points of top level play.
 
Ken Barlow said:
I know he's got speed as a player but is he really that good at the coaching? (No disrespect intended here if you're reading Tony)

From what I have heard over the years, Tony is an excellent coach (as well as player)

I agree with Jay, give Tony a chance to help your game and you will be glad you did (plus tell him I said hi) :)
 
Ken Barlow said:
I know he's got speed as a player but is he really that good at the coaching? (No disrespect intended here if you're reading Tony)
I have seen and heard nothing but good reports on Tony's instruction. Depending on your location, you might also consider Fran Crimi or Rolando Aravena.
 
All good feedback. Thanks. What about next steps? Just go down to ABC and ask after Tony or is there another way of making contact to talk through further i.e. email?
 
CXhristopher Knowlton is in your area and is a very good Instructor/Coach....SPF=randyg
 
Williebetmore said:
It sounds like you are more interested in the strategic aspects of the game (as opposed to improving your pocketing skills). If I was anywhere near Manhattan, I would definitely try to spend some time with AZB's own sjm. His interest in and knowledge of the strategic aspects of 9-ball and straight pool are very impressive. I've heard (from him) that he is somewhat of a tough taskmaster for those he agrees to coach; but to me it would definitely be worth it. Very few players have seen as much high level pool as he has; and even fewer have the level of interest in the finer points of top level play.

Although I haven't met SJM, from what I can tell from the forum here, he's a great player (based on rumors), an extremely intelligent guy (evident from his posts), good at explaining things (evident from his posts), and has been around the top players and tournaments for decades (straight from the horse's mouth). I'm sure he would tell you he's no Tony Robles, because he's a humble guy, but if I were in NYC looking for someone to teach me the finer points of pool, SJM is who I'd be looking for.

-Andrew
 
Can I just say, for the record, I find it hysterically funny that almost all the responses come from non-New Yorkers.

Ken, if you want a more complete list from someone who has a metrocard, feel free to PM me. I can also provide contact info for a lot of these guys.
 
Tony Robles is a fantastic player and great teacher! You can't go wrong with Tony!

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Can I just say, for the record, I find it hysterically funny that almost all the responses come from non-New Yorkers.

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JR,
Everyone knows that a true New Yawker wouldn't walk across the street to help their grandmother. We're just trying to pitch in and help....at least we didn't steer him to EightBallBernie.
 
jay helfert said:
1. Tony Robles
2. Tony Robles
3. Tony Robles

I hope this helps you narrow the list.


1. I agree
2. I agree
3. I agree.

A friend of mine was a B+ player. Great shot maker but his position left a bit to be desired. After just a couple of weeks taking lessons with Tony, he is now a solid A player whose position game has stepped up incredibly.
 
Ken Barlow said:
Have any of you had any experience with Professional Coaches in New York? I'm looking to get some lessons, have found the list of certified instructors, know where to go, but want to hear from your experiences / recomendations before making my decision.
Most of the certified instructors in NY are NOT from the school of SPF. If you are looking for a BCA Master on the same plane as Randy G, you need to look outside Manhattan.

However, with that in mind, the BCA (or other) instructors in Manhattan can indeed give you pointers on particular shots / strategies / safeties or other one-off shots, but for a true analysis of your stroke and game, you'll need to outsource your request.

Also, IMO at your level you will need an advanced/master instructor rather than a certified/recognized one. Although some less experienced instructors can get you to the next level, going from A to A+ or Open isn't about fixing your stroke anymore.

Lastly, FWIW, I know Tony does a great job with beginners to intermediates, but I haven't heard any feed back from his advanced or open students.

-td
 
td873 said:
Most of the certified instructors in NY are NOT from the school of SPF. If you are looking for a BCA Master on the same plane as Randy G, you need to look outside Manhattan.

However, with that in mind, the BCA (or other) instructors in Manhattan can indeed give you pointers on particular shots / strategies / safeties or other one-off shots, but for a true analysis of your stroke and game, you'll need to outsource your request.
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You seem to be saying that only people who have been trained by Randy Goettlicher and put SPF in their advertising are capable of properly analyzing a player's mechanics.

Is that what you're saying?
 
Bob Jewett said:
You seem to be saying that only people who have been trained by Randy Goettlicher and put SPF in their advertising are capable of properly analyzing a player's mechanics.

Is that what you're saying?

I agree Bob,

Some pro caliber players couldn't teach another how to rack properly. Other pro players are excellent teachers. Tony Robles, in fact, IS the best teacher in NY, despite being a wonderful player. My experience has shown me that some players who teach misss the little details, often times because it is "automatic" to them, and therefor makes them ineffective as teachers. The players who take the time to show and explain what others take for granted or do subconciously, are undoubtedlty better teachers.

Also, the best players dont always make the best coaches. It happens in every sport. Some terrific baseball coaches, like buck showlater, never made it in the majors. Van gundy in basketball? many NFL coaches too. The point is, that just because the teacher cant perform on a world class level, doesnt mean they don't understand the game, and teach it very well. Case in point.... Thorsten Hohmann's german coach, Michael Wahl, easily the most succesful and renowned coach in that country, can hardly play a lick. But his insight, and attention to detail is incredible.

Anyone, at any level, looking to better their game, would be well advised to spend as much time with Tony robles on a 9fter, as possible!

rg

Ps, ABC, being my home room, I am also aware of the other teachers in NY, like rolando, chris lynch, SJM, etc. All of them are fine teachers too.
 
Wow, some of the advice here is just mind-numbing.

For starters, I strongly believe that in order to teach this game, you have to be able to play this game. If this thread is about getting instruction for an advanced player, you really have to seek the knowledge of an even more advanced player. Hence, you can cross off just about every amateur player mentioned. There are about a dozen or so players in the city worthy of teaching a player of this caliber and only about 3 or 4 of them actively teach. It's a waste of time to have a B player seek the advice of another B player (and honestly, that's what some of you are advising) or even an A player for that matter. He wants a professional coach which, IMO means professional caliber play. Unless you know what you're talking about, why not do the guy a favor and let those that have experience with these people tell him who to go to.
 
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