I agree with the comments that you could take the book as is and make a completely different movie, whether it would be better than TCOM or not would still be a question. I think it very well might be.
Color of Money
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Fleetwood Brougham (sp?) would be my guess. They had the most luxury interior. Not sure it was an '84 tho...may have been an '85?
A huge and underpowered "luxobarge" for sure. Kind of Ironic, considering that Paul Newman was a very decent SCCA Amateur racer in his day. He was good enough to have been inducted into the SCCA hall of fame.
http://www.scca.com/news/index.cfm?cid=45325
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I must admit, when he won the Academy Award for best actor in TCOM role, I was quite surprised, tho it did feel good it happened in a billiard movie.:grin-square: But George C. Scott.........Thumbs UP.
I understand exactly how you feel.
I don't recall who he was up against for the award that year, but I couldn't help feel as though the academy's selection was more of a "lifetime achievement" acknowledgement than a bonafide "best actor" award.
Paul Newman was/is one of my all time favorites and The Hustler was, imo, one of his greatest performances.
J
Yep
I used to have an old Cadillac Coupe de Ville; talk about riding on a cloud....
It was like driving a swimming pool around; also I could swear I saw the gas needle moving down even as I was sitting and idling at a stop light....
I used to have an old Cadillac Coupe de Ville; talk about riding on a cloud....
It was like driving a swimming pool around; also I could swear I saw the gas needle moving down even as I was sitting and idling at a stop light....
cadillac brougham
My dad was a siding salesman when i was a kid and owned several of these. When the color of money came out, my dad owed the exact same car.
I haven't read the books, I probably should. I felt The Color of Money was more about Fast Eddy than Vincent. It was a continuation of his life, more so than the new "hustler". I never get the feeling that Vincent is cut out for life as a road player, he's too naïve, sweet and honest. He also has to be talked out of his job at the toy store and only goes on the road with Eddy because Eddy has him believe his girlfriend is getting bored. Vincent would have been just as happy playing Stokker and I always felt like an older Vincent ends up in a life pretty far removed from pool. If they were to make another "sequel", I think the Paul Newman/Eddy character carries the story better than Tom Cruise/Vincent.
I really like both movies. The Hustler is more classic and COM brings me more nostalgia because of my age. I also liked Poolhall Junkies, The Baron and the Kid, hell I even enjoyed that terrible movie with Whoopie for what it was. I've seen some trailers for newer movies that may or may not ever make it. I'll watch them too and as long as they are showing a lot of pool scenes, I'll probably be happy.
I really like both movies. The Hustler is more classic and COM brings me more nostalgia because of my age. I also liked Poolhall Junkies, The Baron and the Kid, hell I even enjoyed that terrible movie with Whoopie for what it was. I've seen some trailers for newer movies that may or may not ever make it. I'll watch them too and as long as they are showing a lot of pool scenes, I'll probably be happy.
Willie Mosconi was a consultant on the movie The Hustler, and made many of the trick shots. Mosconi also gave Paul Newman lessons. Jackie Gleason was no slouch, as anyone can see he made his own shots.
The Hustler was a great movie, but lost out to West Side Story in the 1961 Oscars. Yojimbo, La Dolce Vita, The Guns of Navarone, Breakfast at Tiffany's, El Cid, and The Flower Drum Song were also nominated for Oscars. As good as The Hustler that was a very tough year competing against those iconic movies. Just like Tony Robles' Pro/Am Predator Tour on Sundays against the likes of Earl, Jayson, Zion, Jeremy, and Frankie Hernandez.
The Hustler was a great movie, but lost out to West Side Story in the 1961 Oscars. Yojimbo, La Dolce Vita, The Guns of Navarone, Breakfast at Tiffany's, El Cid, and The Flower Drum Song were also nominated for Oscars. As good as The Hustler that was a very tough year competing against those iconic movies. Just like Tony Robles' Pro/Am Predator Tour on Sundays against the likes of Earl, Jayson, Zion, Jeremy, and Frankie Hernandez.
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You must have not seen any of the low budget pool movies....most of them are absolutely terrible. I am not saying the Color Of Money is good or anything, but it is much better then some of the pool movies that have been made in the last decade or so. I know that may be hard to believe.
I bought "Kisses & Caroms" not because Ginger Lynn was in it but because I thought it would be a great "sleeper" movie. It was, it put me right to sleep. What a piece of junk.
I took another shot with "Stickmen". As I recall it was so bad I never finished watching it.
So much for pool flicks without Paul Newman in them.
ONB
Mr. Overlord, I have a expressed a slightly different take on this subject before... Yes, there is more actual pool in the "Hustler" book, than in the movie. But IMO, perhaps that is why the movie was such a well received 'artistic' and commercial success !...It is more about life's dramatic realities, than it is about pool...Much like DeNiro's "Raging Bull" was less about boxing, and more about exposing Jake LaMotta's awkward human frailties.
Even given the fact, that both movies featured the most popular actor's of our time, it is doubtful either movie would have enjoyed the popularity it did, had the emphasis been on pool, or boxing... There are simply too few avid boxing or pool nuts. (like us)...So had either sport been the 'main' focus of either film, the rest of the movie-going world, would have almost certainly said ..."Ho hum" !
It has also been noted, that the only reason Newman got the best actor Oscar for TCOM, is because he had been overlooked for his outstanding performance, in the Hustler, and his many other great roles. Sadly, a movie based strictly on pool, will never be a winner..Even with good actor's.."Pool House Junkies" certainly proved that !!!
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To make the sequel today....
Vincent is an out of work bum....
He end up at the billiard expo, see's Balabushka's for 10k+
He sells his, for a bank roll...
Goes to AC and bankrolls his poker championship.
Invests in an AC casino.. ends up broke again...
That would sum it up... :wink:
JV
Vincent is an out of work bum....
He end up at the billiard expo, see's Balabushka's for 10k+
He sells his, for a bank roll...
Goes to AC and bankrolls his poker championship.
Invests in an AC casino.. ends up broke again...
That would sum it up... :wink:
JV
Mr. Overlord, I have a expressed a slightly different take on this subject before... Yes, there is more actual pool in the "Hustler" book, than in the movie. But IMO, perhaps that is why the movie was such a well received 'artistic' and commercial success !...It is more about life's dramatic realities, than it is about pool...Much like DeNiro's "Raging Bull" was less about boxing, and more about exposing Jake LaMotta's awkward human frailties.
Even given the fact, that both movies featured the most popular actor's of our time, it is doubtful either one would have enjoyed the popularity they did, had the emphasis been on pool, or boxing... There are simply too few avid boxing or pool nuts. (like us)...So had either sport been the 'main' focus of either film, the rest of the movie-going world, would have almost certainly said ..."Ho hum" !
It has also been noted, that the only reason Newman got the best actor Oscar for TCOM, is because he had been overlooked for his outstanding performance, in the Hustler, and his many other great roles. Sadly, a movie based strictly on pool, will never be a winner..Even with good actor's.."Pool House Junkies" certainly proved that !!!
I would have to agree with most of the stuff you said in your piece. I went to the premier of " Pool Hall Junkies " and I did not think at the time it was that good.
The lighting was not good through out the movie. About a year ago I followed a link and viewed the movie and it had been doctored up and re edited and I thought it was a much better film than I remembered.
So many folks that I have known were in PHJ's that it really was a nostalgic treat to watch it.
Can I ask you a question? Do you think I need to lose some weight? Lol. I didn't realized what it meant the first time I watched it.
I really liked the movie, it was like a TOP GUN for pool
Mr. Overlord, I have a expressed a slightly different take on this subject before... Yes, there is more actual pool in the "Hustler" book, than in the movie. But IMO, perhaps that is why the movie was such a well received 'artistic' and commercial success !...It is more about life's dramatic realities, than it is about pool...Much like DeNiro's "Raging Bull" was less about boxing, and more about exposing Jake LaMotta's awkward human frailties.
Even given the fact, that both movies featured the most popular actor's of our time, it is doubtful either movie would have enjoyed the popularity it did, had the emphasis been on pool, or boxing... There are simply too few avid boxing or pool nuts. (like us)...So had either sport been the 'main' focus of either film, the rest of the movie-going world, would have almost certainly said ..."Ho hum" !
It has also been noted, that the only reason Newman got the best actor Oscar for TCOM, is because he had been overlooked for his outstanding performance, in the Hustler, and his many other great roles. Sadly, a movie based strictly on pool, will never be a winner..Even with good actor's.."Pool House Junkies" certainly proved that !!!
I like your point about life's realities. Very true. How about when Eddie and Sarah have their picnic and Eddie's hands are in casts and he tells Sarah about when he is really stroking and his arm is "oiled" and feels he can do anything. Who in this forum hasn't felt like that at sometime at the table where if you can imagine it you can do it? That might be pools greatest lesson for life. It's my favorite speech in the movie.
Scott
Yes. I'd have had no problem with his winning an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. The movie won no awards because of the image of pool in 1961...which to this day it hasn't quite shaken.
Yes. I'd have had no problem with his winning an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. The movie won no awards because of the image of pool in 1961...which to this day it hasn't quite shaken.
Don't forget in the movie Paul Newman's character was a shady liquor salesman, substituting brandnames for off labels. So, the Balabushka may not be real. Hope you don't mind my additions below (highlight).
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As I'm sure you know the bushka was a really a Joss made for the movie and is available for purchase.
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/jocucoofmopo.html
The Color of Money Pool Cue from Joss Cues/Ozone Billiards is beautiful.
Timeless Design :thumbup:
Timeless Design :thumbup:
I'm a pool player and I enjoyed TCOM, I can't tell you how many times I've seen it but it's a lot....a whole lot. Like most here though I do agree The Hustler was a better flick for sure.
On Paul Newmans winning best actor, I seem to remember reading that the Academy gave him that award as more of a 'make up' for his lifetime of acting as well as his acting in The Hustler. Personally I think he did a good job in the film and I think we lost one of the greats when he passed away.
If I remember the Cadillac used in the film was loaned to them and the 'TK 6' license plate was the actual plate on the car. However Scorsese I think has said he had no idea what it stood for, they just liked it and left it on the car for the movie.
There are of course quite a few other pool movies out there that I enjoyed as well, granted they were kinda cheesy but hey....they had pool in them! Pool Hall Junkies, The Baron and the Kid, Baltimore Bullet, 9 Ball, Turn the River, Shooting Gallery, etc...
A couple of old TV series had some pool related episodes that were good too. There was a Twilight Zone episode called... 'A Game of Pool' I think? that had a young Jack Klugman (Quincy and Odd Couple) and there was also a Gunsmoke episode called 'Cowtown Hustler' that was based around an old pool hustler staged to play some young champ.
I'd like to see that movie with Fats and Perry Como, but the legend I hear is that there are no known copies available. Maybe someone will dig one up someday!
To me though, if it has pool in it it's worth watching! :thumbup:
On Paul Newmans winning best actor, I seem to remember reading that the Academy gave him that award as more of a 'make up' for his lifetime of acting as well as his acting in The Hustler. Personally I think he did a good job in the film and I think we lost one of the greats when he passed away.
If I remember the Cadillac used in the film was loaned to them and the 'TK 6' license plate was the actual plate on the car. However Scorsese I think has said he had no idea what it stood for, they just liked it and left it on the car for the movie.
There are of course quite a few other pool movies out there that I enjoyed as well, granted they were kinda cheesy but hey....they had pool in them! Pool Hall Junkies, The Baron and the Kid, Baltimore Bullet, 9 Ball, Turn the River, Shooting Gallery, etc...
A couple of old TV series had some pool related episodes that were good too. There was a Twilight Zone episode called... 'A Game of Pool' I think? that had a young Jack Klugman (Quincy and Odd Couple) and there was also a Gunsmoke episode called 'Cowtown Hustler' that was based around an old pool hustler staged to play some young champ.
I'd like to see that movie with Fats and Perry Como, but the legend I hear is that there are no known copies available. Maybe someone will dig one up someday!
To me though, if it has pool in it it's worth watching! :thumbup:
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