Coming Soon... the end of all aiming system calculating.

Just watched the video. It sounds too simple, no adjustment for squirt, cue ball coming in from different angles, etc. I don't see how it could possibly work for all shots, ie - for a thin cut with no english you are basically aiming the center of the cue at the edge of the OB.

I may play around with it and try to keep an open mind, but conceptually I don't see how this could possibly work with all shots. With an angle approaching 90* and no english, the the cue needs to be pointed at empty space near the OB...
 
3andstop said:
I've been playing this way for a long time. It actually doesn't fall short even when steeper angles are reached if your alignment is good and you stay down with a parallel stroke, cue to table, right over the line.

It may not feel right at first, on longer shots it may actually seem the CB is rolling off to the OB, but all you have to do is simply "TRUST" and smooth stroke it in. :)

Aside from a shot where the contact point isn't even visible and you have to twirl the OB in, this system is ridiculously accurate and simple. It makes all the other mumbo jumbo jumping through hoops systems silly to labor over.

The other thing I always say is without that true stroke, nothing is gonna work. But with that said, it makes all these other extravagant systems almost laughable to me.

Remember using the sides of the cue for alignment is the secret to overcoming the difference between aiming point and contact point, making them ONE AND THE SAME. :)

OK ..... here it is ... I hope you enjoy it. I have password protected it so only us folk here will enjoy it.

If Dave is out there and he doesn't want us to share, just PM me and it's gone. Otherwise Thanks DAVE!!!! Great info.

Here is the link http://vimeo.com/17200520

Here is the password without the quotes--> "thanks dave"
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How do you view that video. I joined the Vimeo site and then used the link, but nothing happens. Thanks for any help.
 
skeptic said:
Just watched the video. It sounds too simple, no adjustment for squirt, cue ball coming in from different angles, etc. I don't see how it could possibly work for all shots, ie - for a thin cut with no english you are basically aiming the center of the cue at the edge of the OB.

I may play around with it and try to keep an open mind, but conceptually I don't see how this could possibly work with all shots. With an angle approaching 90* and no english, the the cue needs to be pointed at empty space near the OB...
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It works. I was shown something similar to this by a road player about sixe years ago. The other trick to making it work and having it work really well is to look past the object ball and extend the line to the rail. Then shoot the cueball to the rail and because the OB is in the way - it goes in.

It's another little known way to aim that is the nuts for certain shots.

I have a hard time with it on the shots where it's hard to hold onto the contact point. Mid-table backwards angle shots are the toughest for me with these. I use CTE or another of Hal's systems to find the line on those shots - swish - applause - dog the next hanger!
 
shankster8 said:
How do you view that video. I joined the Vimeo site and then used the link, but nothing happens. Thanks for any help.
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where it asks for a password to view the video above the video put in

thanks dave

just like that. copy and paste it if you like.
 
Neil said:
Your thread is kinda getting "glossed over" somewhat I think. While the topic is good, you slamming everything else didn't do you any good.
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Perhaps, but it did do me good on the inside. I’m just getting nauseated by all these ridiculous systems that require a doctorate in physics and mathematics. Systems that require pages of explanation with diagrams of imaginary intersecting spheres with snap lines and magic wands.

I shake my head at threads with hundreds and hundreds of replies with as many different questions of confusion over these elaborate incarnations, so much so that I spent over an hour searching my house for this CD clip just to say "HERE, LOOK, RELAX", it ain't that complicated.

WTF are these people trying to do to new players? Make their head's explode? So, it was in that spirit that I went through the trouble to post this. I do feel better. :)



But ….. that’s just me. :thumbup:
 
There were a couple of things unclear to me.

If you align the edge of the tip to the OB contact point, and have the center of the tip at the center of the CB, then the aim point is always half of the tip diameter from the contact point. This won't sink many balls.

How would this work for a 30 degree cut, where the aim point is at the OB edge, and the contact point 14 mm off of the aim line ... which is wider than the tip is?
 
3andstop said:
Perhaps, but it did do me good on the inside. I’m just getting nauseated by all these ridiculous systems that require a doctorate in physics and mathematics. Systems that require pages of explanation with diagrams of imaginary intersecting spheres with snap lines and magic wands.

I shake my head at threads with hundreds and hundreds of replies with as many different questions of confusion over these elaborate incarnations, so much so that I spent over an hour searching my house for this CD clip just to say "HERE, LOOK, RELAX", it ain't that complicated.

WTF are these people trying to do to new players? Make their head's explode? So, it was in that spirit that I went through the trouble to post this. I do feel better. :)



But ….. that’s just me. :thumbup:
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It is not just new players, my head exploded three times in the last month alone....and I have been playing pool since 1970:speechless:
 
Edge of ferrule

Johnny Ervolino also used the edge of ferrule system - especially for thin cuts (if I remember correctly).

He would try to explain it to me but I did not 'pay attention'.

mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
Johnny Ervolino also used the edge of ferrule system - especially for thin cuts (if I remember correctly).

He would try to explain it to me but I did not 'pay attention'.

mark Griffin
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It is a really good way to hit the thin cuts. I would bet Shane was using this method for those thin safes he hit against Mika in the TAR match.
 
Thanks 3and stop, it does work. Another arrow to add to my quiver. I will tell you what all the systems are doing to the new players and that is, making it much easier for them to become a good player, with out going through all the crap we went through.
 
3andstop said:
Perhaps, but it did do me good on the inside. I’m just getting nauseated by all these ridiculous systems that require a doctorate in physics and mathematics. Systems that require pages of explanation with diagrams of imaginary intersecting spheres with snap lines and magic wands.

I shake my head at threads with hundreds and hundreds of replies with as many different questions of confusion over these elaborate incarnations, so much so that I spent over an hour searching my house for this CD clip just to say "HERE, LOOK, RELAX", it ain't that complicated.

WTF are these people trying to do to new players? Make their head's explode? So, it was in that spirit that I went through the trouble to post this. I do feel better. :)



But ….. that’s just me. :thumbup:
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In the end CTE will be shown to be very simple to use.
 
It could be cookieman. It sure works nice slicing them thin down the rail. The only problem I have with it, is not having a visual target to aim at during the shot, that being said, I have only messed with it for a while, but so far it gets a thumbs up.
 
skeptic said:
J... I don't see how it could possibly work for all shots, ie - for a thin cut with no english you are basically aiming the center of the cue at the edge of the OB.

I may play around with it and try to keep an open mind, but conceptually I don't see how this could possibly work with all shots. With an angle approaching 90* and no english, the the cue needs to be pointed at empty space near the OB...
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You are correct, sir. The system presented in the video will "work," i.e., pocket the ball, for many shots. But come on, people! For center-ball hits (no english) on real thin cuts, the cue stick needs to be pointed into space, i.e., beyond the edge of the object ball. So the system can't possibly work on those shots; it will undercut them.

Of course, using just the right amount of inside english, you could aim the edge of the cue stick at the contact point and squirt the cue ball out enough to make a real thin cut, but that's not what is being claimed for the method.

No, a proper aim for all shots is not accomplished with Mr. Mullen's method.

Edit: but I do thank the OP for posting the video, because this technique may be helpful to some people for pocketing shots within a certain range of cuts.
 
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AtLarge said:
You are correct, sir. The system presented in the video will "work," i.e., pocket the ball, for many shots. But come on, people! For center-ball hits (no english) on real thin cuts, the cue stick needs to be pointed into space, i.e., beyond the edge of the object ball. So the system can't possibly work on those shots; it will undercut them.

Of course, using just the right amount of inside english, you could aim the edge of the cue stick at the contact point and squirt the cue ball out enough to make a real thin cut, but that's not what is being claimed for the method.

No, a proper aim for all shots is not accomplished with Mr. Mullen's method.

Edit: but I do thank the OP for posting the video, because this technique may be helpful to some people for pocketing shots within a certain range of cuts.
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Aim center cb, edge of ferrule to edge of ob slice them in real thin. Its a weapon to be practiced.
 
Neil said:
See, here is the same problem that some are having with CTE. If you do it on paper, it will not work. And, it depends on the shooter also. If you are standing a little higher, it works. If you get down real low, it might not. And, it works best with your peripheral vision sighting it. In other words, it works, just don't look for the math behind it, you won't find it.:D
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I'm not looking for any math, and I have tried it.

Real thin cuts are the simplest counter example for people to see, because the stick needs to be pointing into space rather than anywhere on the ball. But real thick cuts are another way to see the problem.

For a perfectly straight shot (no english), the center of the cue stick should point straight down the line through the centers of both balls to the pocket. But the Mullen method says to use either the left edge of the stick or the right edge of the stick. If the center of the stick is equally centered between the two edges of the CB, and an edge of the stick is pointing at the desired contact point on the OB, then the cue stick is off-angle a bit relative to the line of centers, not straight on that line. So if the shot is a real short one, pocket slop may be sufficient to absorb the off-angle hit. But if the OB is distant from the pocket, that slight off-angle aim will be enough to cause a miss.

And I get the same result whether my eyes are high or low over the stick.
 
AtLarge said:
But come on, people! For center-ball hits (no english) on real thin cuts, the cue stick needs to be pointed into space, i.e., beyond the edge of the object ball. So the system can't possibly work on those shots; it will undercut them.
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You're right, it can't work, except it does. :)

One thing I'll say that someone mentioned, it doesn't tell you how to align your body to the shot so ... in the attachment, if you are standing behind "B" instead of "A" it sure won't work.

Please forgive the poor attempt at an illustration. :)
 

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