Comments on Poolology

[BC21]

If space travel becomes available in the future, I would advise all humans not to go there or forever be confused and in a state of dementia.

Ok. The answer to your question about where the exact location of the CB is supposed to be in order to have a dead-nuts 30° shot was answered. There is no "exact" location because a 30° spot shot comes off closer to 28°. With an OB ball on the foot spot, we could use a protractor or one of those fancy laser devices to show the exact aim line to ghostball center, creating a perfect 30° shot angle to send the OB to center pocket. Then we place the center of the CB directly on the indicated aim line. If a player can be 100% accurate at sending the CB to the exact ghostball center, the OB ball will go left of center pocket because of throw, which could be anywhere from 1 to 4 degrees off from our intended 30° shot.

I suppose if a player has excellent feel/instinct that allows him or her to produce the exact same speed and accuracy on every shot, guaranteeing an exact amount of throw, say 2°, that player could set the CB on line for a 32° shot and wind up with a dead 30° shot to center pocket. But that's with the perfect amount of speed, rolling CB, no side spin, and 100% accurate aim from several feet away. Or they could shoot directly down the 30° line and use just the right amount of speed and outside spin to offset the throw, or just enough speed and inside spin to squirt the CB offline perfectly to achieve a slight over-cut that happens to match the exact amount of throw that's going occur when the CB hits the OB. It's highly unlikely that any player in the world can be that precise. And if there is a player that amazingly​ can do this with any amount of consistency, I'd have to attribute that ability to pure feel.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Ok. The answer to your question about where the exact location of the CB is supposed to be in order to have a dead-nuts 30° shot was answered. There is no "exact" location because a 30° spot shot comes off closer to 28°. With an OB ball on the foot spot, we could use a protractor or one of those fancy laser devices to show the exact aim line to ghostball center, creating a perfect 30° shot angle to send the OB to center pocket. Then we place the center of the CB directly on the indicated aim line. If a player can be 100% accurate at sending the CB to the exact ghostball center, the OB ball will go left of center pocket because of throw, which could be anywhere from 1 to 4 degrees off from our intended 30° shot.

I suppose if a player has excellent feel/instinct that allows him or her to produce the exact same speed and accuracy on every shot, guaranteeing an exact amount of throw, say 2°, that player could set the CB on line for a 32° shot and wind up with a dead 30° shot to center pocket. But that's with the perfect amount of speed, rolling CB, no side spin, and 100% accurate aim from several feet away. Or they could shoot directly down the 30° line and use just the right amount of speed and outside spin to offset the throw, or just enough speed and inside spin to squirt the CB offline perfectly to achieve a slight over-cut that happens to match the exact amount of throw that's going occur when the CB hits the OB. It's highly unlikely that any player in the world can be that precise. And if there is a player that amazingly​ can do this with any amount of consistency, I'd have to attribute that ability to pure feel.

And if any player had all of the above racking their brain on each and every shot, he/she would never pocket a ball.

Since you ended it with "feel" can you please put into words exactly what that is and how it's used from one person to another? How is it taught to another person?

And since your primary method of playing is feel/intuition based, would you be so kind to outline exactly how it works in words because I think that is what everyone is looking for instead of Poolology (the Spare Tire System).

It's your Ace #1 Primo method. How does it work? What were you doing to play for more than $300 sets in your past to win boatloads of money and what is it now?

 

[bbb]

can someone answer
how stan determines something is a 30 ?? 30 inside ?? 30 outside?

 

[stan shuffett]

can someone answer
how stan determines something is a 30 ?? 30 inside ?? 30 outside?

For the 30 category:

CB OB relationships for the 30 are always seen as being either thick to the pocket or thin to the pocket.
Those alignments that are thick to the pocket must have an inside pivot. INSIDE always thins a thick alignment.
Those alignments that are thin to the pocket must have an outside PIVOT. OUTSIDE always thickens a thin alignment.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Bobkitty]

For the 30 category:

CB OB relationships for the 30 are always seen as being either thick to the pocket or thin to the pocket.
Those alignments that are thick to the pocket must have an inside pivot. INSIDE always thins a thick alignment.
Those alignments that are thin to the pocket must have an outside PIVOT. OUTSIDE always thickens a thin alignment.

Stan Shuffett

Your hard work and dedication to your aiming system makes one want to research it. Thanks

 

[BC21]

And if any player had all of the above racking their brain on each and every shot, he/she would never pocket a ball.

Since you ended it with "feel" can you please put into words exactly what that is and how it's used from one person to another? How is it taught to another person?

And since your primary method of playing is feel/intuition based, would you be so kind to outline exactly how it works in words because I think that is what everyone is looking for instead of Poolology (the Spare Tire System).

It's your Ace #1 Primo method. How does it work? What were you doing to play for more than $300 sets in your past to win boatloads of money and what is it now?

Oh I agree 100% that no player wants to rack their brain with all of that, which is exactly why the primary goal is to put the ball the pocket, sometimes dead center, but usually a little right or left of center, and occasionally far enough from center that the ball wipes it's feet going in. That's why we shoot some shots at what we call pocket speed.

Here's my definition of FEEL:

1. A method in which the brain's memory system and the physical body work in harmony together to perform a task that neither could perform as well without the other.

2. A combination of senses, primarily touch, sight, and proprioception, that allows the body to automatically perform a given task based on the brain's ability to develop muscle memory and visual retention.

3. Performing an action automatically without having to conciously think about the steps involved in the process. This ability is developed through repetition of the action, sometimes taking years to acquire. It cannot be taught, as each brain must develop at its own pace.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Hello. It's been said on here that your new modified system will not feature "pivoting". Is that true? As someone absolutely new to CTE, how would you recommend one "see the light" to all of it's glory?

Some "old dogs" on here have learned new tricks but I don't think you're a candidate for it. Stick with what got you to over 70 years of age and an A player.

My own "dog nose" smells a Troll who keeps weaseling in stealthily little by little to create a stir. This is a Poolology thread.

(Stan may answer but I think it's a waste of his time)

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Oh I agree 100% that no player wants to rack their brain with all of that, which is exactly why the primary goal is to put the ball the pocket, sometimes dead center, but usually a little right or left of center, and occasionally far enough from center that the ball wipes it's feet going in. That's why we shoot some shots at what we call pocket speed.

Here's my definition of FEEL:

1. A method in which the brain's memory system and the physical body work in harmony together to perform a task that neither could perform as well without the other.

2. A combination of senses, primarily touch, sight, and proprioception, that allows the body to automatically perform a given task based on the brain's ability to develop muscle memory and visual retention.

3. Performing an action automatically without having to conciously think about the steps involved in the process. This ability is developed through repetition of the action, sometimes taking years to acquire. It cannot be taught, as each brain must develop at its own pace.

I didn't ask for the definition. After all these years on the forum I know the definitions by heart backwards and forward. I'm more interested in how you apply or use it in your everyday playing and shooting. Elaborate.

 

[bbb]

For the 30 category:

CB OB relationships for the 30 are always seen as being either thick to the pocket or thin to the pocket.
Those alignments that are thick to the pocket must have an inside pivot. INSIDE always thins a thick alignment.
Those alignments that are thin to the pocket must have an outside PIVOT. OUTSIDE always thickens a thin alignment.

Stan Shuffett

thanks stan
i look forward to your book
larry

 

[stan shuffett]

Hello. It's been said on here that your new modified system will not feature "pivoting". Is that true? As someone absolutely new to CTE, how would you recommend one "see the light" to all of it's glory?

First of all, CTE is what it is, I have been going forward with my unraveling of CTE since 2009. My goal is to present CTE as it really is. PIVOTING is important to CTE as long as it is put into proper perspective. Pivoting is taught for visual reasons not for the sake of just manually turning the cue. It's all about learning how to use one's eyes and pivoting plugs in very nicely for that aspect of learning CTE.
At this stage, just wait and see my free online material that is coming later this year I hope. If you like what you see, then get the book.
I have less than 5% of my original stock of DVD2 left.....2.5% of DVD1 left.

 

[BC21]

I didn't ask for the definition. After all these years on the forum I know the definitions by heart backwards and forward. I'm more interested in how you apply or use it in your everyday playing and shooting. Elaborate.

You asked, "Since you ended it with "feel" can you please put into words exactly what that is and how it's used from one person to another? How is it taught to another person?"

Sounds like you wanted my definition. I gave it. I also explained how it's developed, which inevitably leads to the automatic use of it as I described. And then I specifically wrote that it cannot be taught.

I'm fairly good with reading comprehension, but I believe I'll stick to just reading your comments, as the comprehension of them is beyond me. And here I thought we were becoming friends. Lol

 

[Bobkitty]

Some "old dogs" on here have learned new tricks but I don't think you're a candidate for it. Stick with what got you to over 70 years of age and an A player.

My own "dog nose" smells a Troll who keeps weaseling in stealthily little by little to create a stir. This is a Poolology thread.

(Stan may answer but I think it's a waste of his time)

He did answer and I respect him very much. Anyone that has taken up a method, studied and worked on it for over ten years and still swears by it, has my respect. He has my curiosity up and I'll buy his new book. I changed the post because I too thought it probably belonged in another thread or PM. Me creating a "stir"? Good one from who could be the king of AZ curmudgeons.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

You asked, "Since you ended it with "feel" can you please put into words exactly what that is and how it's used from one person to another? How is it taught to another person?"

Sounds like you wanted my definition. I gave it. I also explained how it's developed, which inevitably leads to the automatic use of it as I described. And then I specifically wrote that it cannot be taught.

I'm fairly good with reading comprehension, but I believe I'll stick to just reading your comments, as the comprehension of them is beyond me. And here I thought we were becoming friends. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i4LAoL82vw

So why aren't you applying your definition of "feel" to the new poolology system
instead of the old? Are you saying it will always require calculations and accurate alignment? So what's wrong with that if it's MORE reliable and consistent? Is it not?

What was the original basis of your old system, Fractions, Contact Point, Equal and Opposite, GB, Arrow, Overlaps, Edges, lights, shadows, tracks other?

How did you and do you now apply English? Parallel or backhand? If backhand, how and when?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

He did answer and I respect him very much. Anyone that has taken up a method, studied and worked on it for over ten years and still swears by it, has my respect. He has my curiosity up and I'll buy his new book. I changed the post because I too thought it probably belonged in another thread or PM. Me creating a "stir"? Good one from who could be the king of AZ curmudgeons.

Compared to an "old dog" like you, I'm a pup. Glad to see you looking forward to his book. Hope your fading memory doesn't forget by then. :grin:

 

[Dan White]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i4LAoL82vw

So why aren't you applying your definition of "feel" to the new poolology system
instead of the old? Are you saying it will always require calculations and accurate alignment? So what's wrong with that if it's MORE reliable and consistent? Is it not?

What was the original basis of your old system, Fractions, Contact Point, Equal and Opposite, GB, Arrow, Overlaps, Edges, lights, shadows, tracks other?

How did you and do you now apply English? Parallel or backhand? If backhand, how and when?

For those of you interested in learning Poolology, rest assured that it is a very simple system that works like a charm, and takes a short time to master. Do not be fooled by internet trolls such as SpiderWebbcom aka Dave Segal. He is an expert at muddying the waters, causing confusion, and generally being aggressive and abrasive to everybody around him. I'm not sure what his agenda is, but he does not seem to be happy unless someone is arguing with him about aiming systems.

As the original poster to this thread, I just wanted to draw a distinction between one sourpuss who has clearly stated that he has not purchased Poolology and has no intention of doing so, and the other contributors who have had nothing but good things to say about Brian's revolutionary new method.

I expect to be flamed for this post, but I have not encouraged this individual since his return from a one year ban, and I do not intend to respond to him again. My only hope is that the moderators eventually take notice of the negative influence this kind of behavior has on AZ.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Brian, this post is for you and not another member going on the attack to belittle or degrade me. I really don't want to have anything to do with him and as I see it he's trolling and trying to bait me into a confrontation. Not going to happen. He just ran the gamut on baiting, harassment, name calling and lying which should be looked at by the moderators for a warning or ban himself.

Here's where I'm coming from with this. A little over 11 years ago I signed up as a new member in 2006.

Over that time I've seen some of the whackiest threads, posts, and members who have ever picked up a cue to play pool. If you're around long enough you'll see the same whacky stuff repeating themselves as they did originally.

What I've never seen is somebody who developed an aiming system, bank system, use of the diamond system, shooting system like CJ with TOI, tuck and roll or backhand method, and a myriad of other helpful tools for the masses and NOT use it himself as a primary or regular way of doing what was laid out by them.

It just stuns me. I am by no means denigrating your system, not at all and I think you know it.

I don't know if your approach is a "soft sell", a "negative sell", or an "I don't care sell"
regarding your system because you "think" this is what people want to hear and you aren't accused of being a huckster, snake oil salesman, or some other derogatory term that a good number of others have been called.

But if it's good, and I have to assume it is since I'm well versed on fractional aiming systems but none with a formula as you've integrated with yours, then discuss it's virtues and shout it's praises.

But for crying out loud, to say you only use it when you have a difficult shot that's given you trouble over years or when your "feel" just isn't there, it makes no sense.

This might be the whackiest situation I've ever seen over 11 years which is trying to get the creator of a system that is being praised, touted, and most importantly sold, to USE IT WITH MORE FREQUENCY HIMSELF over and above the old way.

I can't imagine CJ not using TOI, or John Brumback not doing what he said in his Bank videos, or Freddy the Beard when he was alive, or Joe Tucker on his Contact Point Aiming system and Break videos, and last but not least Stan Shuffett with CTE.

Sure, I know it's your choice to do as you wish but WOW! All I can say is WOW!

More reasons why you shouldn't or won't isn't going to help because it makes no sense.

 

[Bobkitty]

ally.

What I've never seen is somebody who developed an aiming system, bank system, use of the diamond system, shooting system like CJ with TOI, tuck and roll or backhand method, and a myriad of other helpful tools for the masses and NOT use it himself as a primary or regular way of doing what was laid out by them.
I can't imagine CJ not using TOI, or John Brumback not doing what he said in his Bank videos, or Freddy the Beard when he was alive, or Joe Tucker on his Contact Point Aiming system and Break videos, and last but not least Stan Shuffett with CTE.

Sure, I know it's your choice to do as you wish but WOW! All I can say is WOW!

More reasons why you shouldn't or won't isn't going to help because it makes no sense.

Decided to start a new thread to get a larger discussion.

 

[BC21]

Brian, this post is for you.......

......What I've never seen is somebody who developed an aiming system, bank system, use of the diamond system, shooting system like CJ with TOI, tuck and roll or backhand method, and a myriad of other helpful tools for the masses and NOT use it himself as a primary or regular way of doing what was laid out by them.

It just stuns me. I am by no means denigrating your system, not at all and I think you know it.

I don't know if your approach is a "soft sell", a "negative sell", or an "I don't care sell"
regarding your system because you "think" this is what people want to hear and you aren't accused of being a huckster, snake oil salesman, or some other derogatory term that a good number of others have been called.

But if it's good, and I have to assume it is since I'm well versed on fractional aiming systems but none with a formula as you've integrated with yours, then discuss it's virtues and shout it's praises.

But for crying out loud, to say you only use it when you have a difficult shot that's given you trouble over years or when your "feel" just isn't there, it makes no sense.

This might be the whackiest situation I've ever seen over 11 years which is trying to get the creator of a system that is being praised, touted, and most importantly sold, to USE IT WITH MORE FREQUENCY HIMSELF over and above the old way.

I can't imagine CJ not using TOI, or John Brumback not doing what he said in his Bank videos, or Freddy the Beard when he was alive, or Joe Tucker on his Contact Point Aiming system and Break videos, and last but not least Stan Shuffett with CTE.

Sure, I know it's your choice to do as you wish but WOW! All I can say is WOW!

More reasons why you shouldn't or won't isn't going to help because it makes no sense.

Maybe this will help you understand me....

I am the creative type, an artistic-minded person. I have never paid for lessons in anything I've learned how to do, and not because I didn't feel like I needed lessons, but because I always wanted to learn things myself, my own way. This applies to education, musicianship, shooting pool, writing, etc...

I've been playing guitar in local rock bands on and off since I was 19. I play piano, banjo, guitar, and drums. For the last 10 years I've been the lead guitar player in a couple of bands. Growing up I never had lessons for any musical instrument, but I gave lessons in both guitar and drums/percussion for a few years to earn extra money. I began playing pool when I around 15 and within a couple of years I was sneaking into bars to gamble my grass cutting money. I never learned any systems because I enjoy the process of learning on my own, like with the music.

Over the years, I've never quit the music scene, never taken a break from playing pool, despite getting married and having kids and working 50+ hours a week for the last 20 years troubleshooting electrical/electronic circuits. But family is number 1, and everything else comes after.

I came up with this aiming system more than 10 years ago but it was too complicated to be user-friendly. Then a few years went by and I figured out how to simplify it. I say in the book that I'm not the best player in town, but what I don't say is that's because there are 3 or 4 A+ players here. They make fewer mistakes, which is why I'm not at their level. Nevertheless, the reason I wrote the book was not to improve my own game, though it has done that. I wrote it for players that just want to be better at pocketing balls, because when I was 15 there was nothing like this available, and it took a long time to develop a feel (sorry) for cutting balls consistently into the pockets. There's more to pool than that of course, but it's big advantage if you seldom miss a shot.

I truly believe this system can provide a shortcut to developing a feel (sorry again) or instinct for pocketing balls. That's my selling tactic.....to say, hey, try this. I don't have to be the front man pushing my product down people's throats

Ok. Now I'm done. Thanks.

Brian Crist

 

[lfigueroa]

Oh I agree 100% that no player wants to rack their brain with all of that, which is exactly why the primary goal is to put the ball the pocket, sometimes dead center, but usually a little right or left of center, and occasionally far enough from center that the ball wipes it's feet going in. That's why we shoot some shots at what we call pocket speed.

Here's my definition of FEEL:

1. A method in which the brain's memory system and the physical body work in harmony together to perform a task that neither could perform as well without the other.

2. A combination of senses, primarily touch, sight, and proprioception, that allows the body to automatically perform a given task based on the brain's ability to develop muscle memory and visual retention.

3. Performing an action automatically without having to conciously think about the steps involved in the process. This ability is developed through repetition of the action, sometimes taking years to acquire. It cannot be taught, as each brain must develop at its own pace.

Those are pretty good.

I just like to say: I see the shot.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

For those of you interested in learning Poolology, rest assured that it is a very simple system that works like a charm, and takes a short time to master. Do not be fooled by internet trolls such as SpiderWebbcom aka Dave Segal. He is an expert at muddying the waters, causing confusion, and generally being aggressive and abrasive to everybody around him. I'm not sure what his agenda is, but he does not seem to be happy unless someone is arguing with him about aiming systems.

As the original poster to this thread, I just wanted to draw a distinction between one sourpuss who has clearly stated that he has not purchased Poolology and has no intention of doing so, and the other contributors who have had nothing but good things to say about Brian's revolutionary new method.

I expect to be flamed for this post, but I have not encouraged this individual since his return from a one year ban, and I do not intend to respond to him again. My only hope is that the moderators eventually take notice of the negative influence this kind of behavior has on AZ.

Just scrolling quickly through the thread it does appear that those who have taken a peek, including BD, found Poolology to be a sound, useful, easy to use system.

Lou Figueroa