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They have had to ban a variety of clubs.
When pool gets sand traps, has 300yd tables and pockets which the ball can roll around/over, maybe we'll see a need for more sticks.
I'd rather see jump cues banned.
Common Question - Jump Cues or No Jump Cues?
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They have had to ban a variety of clubs.
When pool gets sand traps, has 300yd tables and pockets which the ball can roll around/over, maybe we'll see a need for more sticks.
I'd rather see jump cues banned.
Good point. They are banning anchor putters IIRC.
Exactly... Good point.
I like to freeze the jumpers to the back of a ball and then ask "Are you going to use your jump cue now?"
Guess Earl Strickland can't jump a cue ball. No wonder he hates jump cues I forgot he can't do it
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Hard on the cloth, Hard on the table .
By time some one learns how to jump the cloth isnt worth shooting on.
I get tired of the cloth being screwed up.
I just dont like what it does to the table .
MMike
Hard on the cloth, Hard on the table .
By time some one learns how to jump the cloth isnt worth shooting on.
I get tired of the cloth being screwed up.
I just dont like what it does to the table .
MMike
No jump cues is like saying golfers cant use a putter. Its a tool in the bag just get over it already. Play better ffs. I mean what bothers you about the jump cue folks? The length? Its the only fcking difference! Well the weight. So if i made a "jump cue" that was 58 inches long but easy as hell to jump with would that be ok? since its a "full cue". Get ready because its either happened already or getting close i seen a video that drill instructor dude has a jump cue that looks almost full length its a break cue as well. I dont even own a jump cue and mostly kick when im hooked but good lawd i cant believe all the dm crying i hear and see about the subject. Heres the link! And yes its full cue jumper+break! Dennis hatch demonstrating! Arguements are null and void from here on in! Yay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuXLTa6gjKM
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Keep trying ,,,because,,,, Earl don't like them for a completely different reason. Yep he can jump,,and well,,,and don't need a jump cue to do it. He also can kick,bank masse like no other.
In his view it gives a lesser player a better change.
I think in the amateur rank,,it gives the better player the advantage. And people that can't do it(well) don't like it.
Maybe you can think of someone else that can jump well that don't like jump cues,,but I doubt it.
A jump cue is part of the game,,standard equipment,,like it or not.
Many people that I respect a lot don't like jump cues (or jumping), but I do. I'm quite good at jumping and controlling the cue ball, more so on the "longer shots" where the obstacle is several feet away. I'm certainly not saying I'm the best, or even close, but I have invested a lot of time practicing jumps. Speed, spin, distance control, and elevation control are all important to a well-executed jump shot.
Nine_ball6970 has seen me execute a couple of decent jump shots, with a jump cue, and also with my break cue. Help me out here, brother.
To be honest, in most of the live streams I've watched, even the pros usually don't make the ball and get shape consistently with a jump cue. Honestly, I'm not impressed with most of those shots. They do often make a good hit, though, and I guess that's the only thing about jump cues that annoys me. To see a great safety nullified with a crappy jump shot makes me roll my eyes. Same with those matches where every freaking roll out is to a jump shot, and it almost never works out. Ugh.
I would support a rule that forbids jumps when the obstructing ball is within 1 foot of the CB. To me, that's when the line is crossed, where it doesn't seem like we're playing pool anymore.
When I see a polished player execute a difficult jump with control and precision, I believe it demonstrates the potential for beauty, and offsets all the stuff I don't like about jump cues.
Another thought:
I get the feeling that most of us are not against jumping, but against these super light, super short jump cues that make a 1-inch-away jump shot possible. I wonder if the solution might be to change the minimum cue length to somewhere between the current rule and a full sized cue (or increase the minimum weight, or both).
Nine_ball6970 has seen me execute a couple of decent jump shots, with a jump cue, and also with my break cue. Help me out here, brother.
To be honest, in most of the live streams I've watched, even the pros usually don't make the ball and get shape consistently with a jump cue. Honestly, I'm not impressed with most of those shots. They do often make a good hit, though, and I guess that's the only thing about jump cues that annoys me. To see a great safety nullified with a crappy jump shot makes me roll my eyes. Same with those matches where every freaking roll out is to a jump shot, and it almost never works out. Ugh.
I would support a rule that forbids jumps when the obstructing ball is within 1 foot of the CB. To me, that's when the line is crossed, where it doesn't seem like we're playing pool anymore.
When I see a polished player execute a difficult jump with control and precision, I believe it demonstrates the potential for beauty, and offsets all the stuff I don't like about jump cues.
Another thought:
I get the feeling that most of us are not against jumping, but against these super light, super short jump cues that make a 1-inch-away jump shot possible. I wonder if the solution might be to change the minimum cue length to somewhere between the current rule and a full sized cue (or increase the minimum weight, or both).
Using a jump cue takes skill and i like them because of length and it does not ruin my playing cue. Why is there no controversy over using a bridge. Every one should get better shape or learn to shoot with other hand. Lol i vote for jump cues, break cues, bridges, and mulligans.
Many people that I respect a lot don't like jump cues (or jumping), but I do. I'm quite good at jumping and controlling the cue ball, more so on the "longer shots" where the obstacle is several feet away. I'm certainly not saying I'm the best, or even close, but I have invested a lot of time practicing jumps. Speed, spin, distance control, and elevation control are all important to a well-executed jump shot.
Nine_ball6970 has seen me execute a couple of decent jump shots, with a jump cue, and also with my break cue. Help me out here, brother.
To be honest, in most of the live streams I've watched, even the pros usually don't make the ball and get shape consistently with a jump cue. Honestly, I'm not impressed with most of those shots. They do often make a good hit, though, and I guess that's the only thing about jump cues that annoys me. To see a great safety nullified with a crappy jump shot makes me roll my eyes. Same with those matches where every freaking roll out is to a jump shot, and it almost never works out. Ugh.
I would support a rule that forbids jumps when the obstructing ball is within 1 foot of the CB. To me, that's when the line is crossed, where it doesn't seem like we're playing pool anymore.
When I see a polished player execute a difficult jump with control and precision, I believe it demonstrates the potential for beauty, and offsets all the stuff I don't like about jump cues.
Another thought:
I get the feeling that most of us are not against jumping, but against these super light, super short jump cues that make a 1-inch-away jump shot possible. I wonder if the solution might be to change the minimum cue length to somewhere between the current rule and a full sized cue (or increase the minimum weight, or both).
I get what you're saying. I'll admit, when I'm jumping with a jump cue and make a ball from 5 feet out, it's exhilarating. There's no doubt it's a great shot but you're right, there's a fundamental problem with the ease of obtaining a legal hit especially in scenarios where a jump would simply not be possible if it weren't for a highly advanced jump cue performed with a completely unconventional stroke.
I think there are a lot of things wrong with the jump cue and yes, if we were using full-length jump cues that forced the shooter to use a conventional stroke, I think most opponents of the j/c would dismiss their complaints. It's the air-bridge at a 90 degree angle with cue over shoulder that puts people on sky tilt.
Personally, I think the use of the jump cue needs to be reigned in. I doubt we'll ever eliminate them altogether. There are simply too many companies out there producing them and contributing to leagues and tournaments. They have established their place in the industry. I think, all we can do now is limit WHEN they can be used and force the shooter to kick from time to time.
I mentioned something to that effect in a previous post and another poster thought I was some kind of a nutcase. (although....he wasn't far off
)My opinion was that you should only be able to use a jump cue at the start of your inning (in other words, when your OPPONENT hooks you). If you later during your inning hook YOURSELF, then you should not be allowed to use the jump cue to bail yourself out of a jam you put yourself into.
Maniac
I mentioned something to that effect in a previous post and another poster thought I was some kind of a nutcase. (although....he wasn't far off
My opinion was that you should only be able to use a jump cue at the start of your inning (in other words, when your OPPONENT hooks you). If you later during your inning hook YOURSELF, then you should not be allowed to use the jump cue to bail yourself out of a jam you put yourself into.
Maniac
I agree but I would also add called safeties to the list of scenarios you cannot use a jump cue.
50/50
I am over 50 yrs old and have come back to pool. Wayyyy back when I was 20, jumping in order to pocket a ball was primarily done by trick-shot junkies. Although I admire the talent it takes to jump the CB well; I also think that today many players are too quick to reach for their jump cue to get out of a bind. I would rather see the kick out. Here is 2 reasons why,.....
1- If you are required to kick, not only do you have to make the hit, but you also need to leave the CB in a safe position. Many times you can make the kick only to "sell-out" leaving an open position for your opponent. It takes twice the talent to kick than to jump in my opinion.
2- Jumping balls makes the game change. It now makes the game 3 dimensional as opposed to 2 dimensional. Big Deal ? How would you like to get beat on jumped CB for a carom that pots the money ball?
Great shot ?!? : TRUE A conventional shot ?!? NO
JMHO
I am over 50 yrs old and have come back to pool. Wayyyy back when I was 20, jumping in order to pocket a ball was primarily done by trick-shot junkies. Although I admire the talent it takes to jump the CB well; I also think that today many players are too quick to reach for their jump cue to get out of a bind. I would rather see the kick out. Here is 2 reasons why,.....
1- If you are required to kick, not only do you have to make the hit, but you also need to leave the CB in a safe position. Many times you can make the kick only to "sell-out" leaving an open position for your opponent. It takes twice the talent to kick than to jump in my opinion.
2- Jumping balls makes the game change. It now makes the game 3 dimensional as opposed to 2 dimensional. Big Deal ? How would you like to get beat on jumped CB for a carom that pots the money ball?
Great shot ?!? : TRUE A conventional shot ?!? NO
JMHO
I just looked at the poll results. Hmmmm?
Looks like the majority like jump cues. But the last page ,,someone was saying it was the other way around.
I was thinking to myself ,,how unbelievable that was,,,a major pool web site and jump cues are not favored?? Now I see it was not true!!!
I like to push out in 9 ball when I know my opponent don't jump. And leave a jump shot. I get it back,,snap the ball in and run out.LMAO!!!
And it detours opponent from playing safe,,,after a few jump shots to get out of it. Then they try to go for a hard run/shot instead,,,and that don't work well for them either.
There's nothing like landing a jumped cue ball perfectly between two balls,,where there is just enough room to do it. And making the shot,,it a beautiful thing!!!
With this thread in mind,,I think I will jump a few balls this week while playing,, even if it's not really needed. I'll shoot to leave jumps!! lol
Looks like the majority like jump cues. But the last page ,,someone was saying it was the other way around.
I was thinking to myself ,,how unbelievable that was,,,a major pool web site and jump cues are not favored?? Now I see it was not true!!!
I like to push out in 9 ball when I know my opponent don't jump. And leave a jump shot. I get it back,,snap the ball in and run out.LMAO!!!
And it detours opponent from playing safe,,,after a few jump shots to get out of it. Then they try to go for a hard run/shot instead,,,and that don't work well for them either.
There's nothing like landing a jumped cue ball perfectly between two balls,,where there is just enough room to do it. And making the shot,,it a beautiful thing!!!
With this thread in mind,,I think I will jump a few balls this week while playing,, even if it's not really needed. I'll shoot to leave jumps!! lol
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Less then 38% approve of jump cues
FYI, that is not a majority based on common rules of mathematics..
FYI, that is not a majority based on common rules of mathematics..
It's the majority in this poll!!! lol Or is there some other item you take into account??
And really you could add the 3 middle options to the credit of jumping,,since its just what cue being used. It blows the "no" side away!!!
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Well, you're never going to get away from the fundamental problem you have with polls. For one, the active members of azb might not be a great representation of the entire pool community to begin with. What's more, the wording of the poll combined with other active threads might influence the responses you get.
Personally, I think polls are interesting but somewhat useless. They're only truly meaningful when well-worded AND when the results are very obvious. Like, if the question is, "Who is your favorite poster?" and one guy gets 90% of 1,000 votes, it's safe to say that guy is a more popular member. If it's 100 votes and he only gets 60%, it says nothing.
Personally, I think polls are interesting but somewhat useless. They're only truly meaningful when well-worded AND when the results are very obvious. Like, if the question is, "Who is your favorite poster?" and one guy gets 90% of 1,000 votes, it's safe to say that guy is a more popular member. If it's 100 votes and he only gets 60%, it says nothing.
I voted for jumping with your playing cue. I can jump with my playing cue, and break cue. I have a jump cue in my case but I hardly use it. Jumping with it, is like shooting hangers, just too easy. I would perfer no jump cues at all.
The first time I picked up a jump cue I could jump a full ball. It took a long time for me to jump a full ball with my playing cue.
The first time I picked up a jump cue I could jump a full ball. It took a long time for me to jump a full ball with my playing cue.
Wrong there, most players against jump cues are the better players. It's the bangers that like jump cues. It's not about winning or losing as much as it is about what jump cues take away from the game-made it more like checkers than chess.