Common way to cheat in one-pocket?

[Roy Steffensen]

A couple of weeks ago I played one-pocket with a friendly bet on the side. The table we played on had ball-return. I am not used to play on tables with this, and after I had ran 7 balls (and made 1 of his balls on one of my first shots) there were 8 balls pocketed. My opponent was obviously not used to play with ball-return-tables either, and just counted the balls pocketed and said I had won.

I was pretty sure about only pocketing 7 balls, and counted myself, and then I saw there was 8 balls there, and I knew he had not made any balls, so I thought I had won too.

Then I remembered that I had made one ball in his pocket, and we continued to play.

It got me thinking if this is a common way to cheat in one-pocket? Have you seen players use this "trick" to their advantage?

I remember from the dvd with Pagulayan-Reyes, when Pagulayan makes 1 ball in Efren's pocket and when the score is 4-1 both Incardona and Freddy the Beard who does the commentating believe the score is 5-0 to Alex. So obviously it is very easy to do this kind of mistake...

Another possible trick was when I played another guy the same weekend. He had made a couple of balls, and then scratched when making another ball. I wasn't paying enough attention, and when he spotted 2 balls he also quickly put 1 ball very near his pocket, so the table looked still VERY good for him. Instead of me trying to make a ball, I was forced to try to shoot that ball away from his pocket.

Luckily he was not a cheater, just a joker, and started to laugh seconds after he had put it there, and removed it again. Then the table was almost completely opposite, and looked good for me since I could focus on making a ball without selling out if I missed.

Have you ever seen anyone do this little, but very effective, trick???

I can imagine it has happened a couple of times. When money is involved a lot of things can happen...

 

[Hidy Ho]

I played a guy who is much better player than me. We played with fair weight. There was a dead combo to my pocket in the stack. He reached over the stack to shoot a bank, covering the stack with his body and fidgeting over the stack. After he shot the bank and missed and the shot did not disturb the stack *but* I looked at the stack and the dead combo was no longer dead

 

[BRKNRUN]

I have heard of people using an opponents pocket ball to spot a replacement ball.

I have heard of people when getting the balls from the return grab a ball from the opponents side and put in in with theirs.

I have never acutally seen either happen though...

 

[Pushout]

Playing One Pocket, it is always important to know just what the score is, especially if ball are owed for scratches, table scratches, etc. The balls should always be "put somewhere" so both players know the exact score. I'm not used to playing it on tables without ball returns and a place to put the balls, myself. I try to always remember to keep my own score and know what the other guy's score is. I know that playing on drop pocket tables, some players put the balls in the extra pockets on what ever side their pocket is.

 

[Gerry]

when playing 1P in less than friendly places you can take your made balls and set them by the leg of the table. much less shinanigans that way. alsowatchout for "sticky fingers" when playing 14.1 on tables with counters. It's REAL easy to upset the score when shooting balls off the end rail.....beads are better!

 

[scottycoyote]

i am also looking for good tips on how to cheat at 1p

 

[TX Poolnut]

There is an Accu-Stat video that has a short clip of a guy intentionaly and very obviously double hitting the cue and pushing it through the rack.

I don't remember who he was but I know the video is one of the blooper/great shots compilations.

 

[Josh Palmer]

Weird night

Last game of the night, playing for 150 with a total nutcase who really needed someone to remind him to take his meds. I lean over to shoot some type of jacked up shot. He tells me my shirt brushed one of the balls and called a foul on me. I'm not fat, so I know it didn't move the ball around. I told him that was some type of chicken sh1t move to call since none of them moved, and that I had not called him on brushing a ball earlier that actually did move.

Then he says: "YOU MEAN YOU CAN TOUCH ANY OF THESE BALLS YOU WANT, AND IT'S NOT A FOUL!!!?"

I said "Listen Dave, if I moved a ball, which I didn't.. .put it back!"

He says "OK!"... Gives me a crazy, wild eyed look and sweeps all the balls to his side of the table with his stick. He spots one up, and says... "I fouled" I swept them all back to my hole, and said "Me too" He did it right back, and then I pulled them to my side for the second time. He was getting ready to do it for the 3rd time, and I said... "you're on 2 fouls"

The place is closed, and we're locked in there. He walks towards me with crazy eyes and tells me he ought to jab this stick through my gut. I said "When you get done doing that, you're still on 2".

He played a kick safety, but all the balls were around my hole, and in a couple of shots I got out. Got paid, but had to fade some more crazy talk. Funny now though.

 

[blud]

cheaters

A couple of weeks ago I played one-pocket with a friendly bet on the side. The table we played on had ball-return. I am not used to play on tables with this, and after I had ran 7 balls (and made 1 of his balls on one of my first shots) there were 8 balls pocketed. My opponent was obviously not used to play with ball-return-tables either, and just counted the balls pocketed and said I had won.

I was pretty sure about only pocketing 7 balls, and counted myself, and then I saw there was 8 balls there, and I knew he had not made any balls, so I thought I had won too.

Then I remembered that I had made one ball in his pocket, and we continued to play.

It got me thinking if this is a common way to cheat in one-pocket? Have you seen players use this "trick" to their advantage?

I remember from the dvd with Pagulayan-Reyes, when Pagulayan makes 1 ball in Efren's pocket and when the score is 4-1 both Incardona and Freddy the Beard who does the commentating believe the score is 5-0 to Alex. So obviously it is very easy to do this kind of mistake...

Another possible trick was when I played another guy the same weekend. He had made a couple of balls, and then scratched when making another ball. I wasn't paying enough attention, and when he spotted 2 balls he also quickly put 1 ball very near his pocket, so the table looked still VERY good for him. Instead of me trying to make a ball, I was forced to try to shoot that ball away from his pocket.

Luckily he was not a cheater, just a joker, and started to laugh seconds after he had put it there, and removed it again. Then the table was almost completely opposite, and looked good for me since I could focus on making a ball without selling out if I missed.

Have you ever seen anyone do this little, but very effective, trick???

I can imagine it has happened a couple of times. When money is involved a lot of things can happen...

Some guys will do anything for the buck.. Have seen a few heads kicked in when this took place years ago. Honesty is the best way to go. Treat all, as you want to be treated....I've heard guys brag on cheating others, of course, there so smart, they knock there own action, or lack of it.....
blud

 

[junksecret]

If I am playing on a table with returns and my opponent pockets a ball in my pocket, I take it out of the return and hold it until his inning over...he can then put his balls on his side and I will put mine on my side. He obviously knows why I am holding the ball and I've never had a problem.

Joe

 

[thedude]

There is an Accu-Stat video that has a short clip of a guy intentionaly and very obviously double hitting the cue and pushing it through the rack.

I don't remember who he was but I know the video is one of the blooper/great shots compilations.

I'm quite sure it is Efren.








































Not. Let April Fool's begin.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Last game of the night, playing for 150 with a total nutcase who really needed someone to remind him to take his meds. I lean over to shoot some type of jacked up shot. He tells me my shirt brushed one of the balls and called a foul on me. I'm not fat, so I know it didn't move the ball around. I told him that was some type of chicken sh1t move to call since none of them moved, and that I had not called him on brushing a ball earlier that actually did move.

Then he says: "YOU MEAN YOU CAN TOUCH ANY OF THESE BALLS YOU WANT, AND IT'S NOT A FOUL!!!?"

I said "Listen Dave, if I moved a ball, which I didn't.. .put it back!"

He says "OK!"... Gives me a crazy, wild eyed look and sweeps all the balls to his side of the table with his stick. He spots one up, and says... "I fouled" I swept them all back to my hole, and said "Me too" He did it right back, and then I pulled them to my side for the second time. He was getting ready to do it for the 3rd time, and I said... "you're on 2 fouls"

The place is closed, and we're locked in there. He walks towards me with crazy eyes and tells me he ought to jab this stick through my gut. I said "When you get done doing that, you're still on 2".

He played a kick safety, but all the balls were around my hole, and in a couple of shots I got out. Got paid, but had to fade some more crazy talk. Funny now though.

haha, funny story!!! AND you got paid?

 

[Harold Smith]

haha, funny story!!! AND you got paid?

That is a old trick that I heard was pulled by Jersery Red. Don't know the truth to it but it is a old trick.---Smitty

 

[Josh Palmer]

haha, funny story!!! AND you got paid?

Yeah.. the arguement after is another story, but he worked at the joint, and the owner frowned on welcher's, so I think that played into it.

 

[mosconiac]

I always store my made balls in the box (or rack) I carried them to the table in. I even do this when playing for free out of habit. If my opponent makes one for me, I immediately store it. I NEVER use the racks on the end of the table...way to many games can be played with them there.

 

[Fast Lenny]

It all depends if you play sleepers or not,you discuss it before the game,you have a chance to collect your balls and if you leave them in the bin then they are fair game.