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dukeboy1977

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OK, maybe you guys can help me. I sold a cue to a buddy of mine and in the short time (like 6 months) he's had it, his game has jumped quite a bit...But now he still lacks confidence in his game and his abilities, so I'd like to change that for him. I've tried almost EVERYTHING I can think of to tell him, but to no avail...So what should I do that I haven't tried already? He's got potential to be pretty good, I can see it already, he just needs a little push over the edge. Is there some kind of mental thing I can try with him? He's still convinced that he stands NO chance against some of the players around here, but the ones he usually refers to are in MY league...and still waay out of his. I've tried to build his confidence multiple times by trying multiple things, but again, NOTHING works. Can anyone here give ME some advice to give to HIM, or tell me how to help him out of his self-destructing lack of confidence? ANY help here would definitely be appreciated. thanks guys, Jeff
 
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dukeboy1977 said:
OK, maybe you guys can help me. I sold a cue to a buddy of mine and in the short time (like 6 months) he's had it, his game has jumped quite a bit...But now he still lacks confidence in his game and his abilities, so I'd like to change that for him. I've tried almost EVERYTHING I can think of to tell him, but to no avail...So what should I do that I haven't tried already? He's got potential to be pretty good, I can see it already, he just needs a little push over the edge. Is there some kind of mental thing I can try with him? He's still convinced that he stands NO chance against some of the players around here, but the ones he usually refers to are in MY league...and still waay out of his. I've tried to build his confidence multiple times by trying multiple things, but again, NOTHING works. Can anyone here give ME some advice to give to HIM, or tell me how to help him out of his self-destructing lack of confidence? ANY help here would definitely be appreciated. thanks guys, Jeff

ok Jeff, what you're doing to him is "babying" him. Not to take it to the offensive, but it's entirely on what he wants. If your friend wants to win so bad that he can taste it, he's got to practice his brains out and take this sport seriously yet entertaining *sounds like a task but, you'll get the idea once experiense follows*. Learn the basics until he jots them down and read some more of these posts so that people's opinions might help.

As far as confidence when playing another opponent is concerned, it's all about how confortable you are on the table. One thing I would like to do is these two things: a) take up acting and/or b) take a presentational speaking class. Nerves are natural; it's those that do not reveal it is what tests the best from the worst.

-- cheers
 
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SlickRick_PCS said:
ok Jeff, what you're doing to him is "babying" him. Not to take it to the offensive, but it's entirely on what he wants. If your friend wants to win so bad that he can taste it, he's got to practice his brains out and take this sport seriously yet entertaining *sounds like a task but, you'll get the idea once experiense follows*. Learn the basics until he jots them down and read some more of these posts so that people's opinions might help.

As far as confidence when playing another opponent is concerned, it's all about how confortable you are on the table. One thing I would like to do is these two things: a) take up acting and/or b) take a presentational speaking class. Nerves are natural; it's those that do not reveal it is what tests the best from the worst.

-- cheers

no offense taken bud...thanks for the reply. I haven't tried "babying" him if that is in fact what I've been doing by trying to help him, I've just been trying to get myself a "sparring partner" really...and the better he gets, the better I'LL get in return...yeah, it seems selfish but he really wants to play well and has the abilities, so I'm gonna help him any way I can do this cause it helps myself in the long run also. again, thanks for the reply, Jeff
 
Point out to him that Earl got beat by a girl yesterday. Next time he's feeling down you say it again. NEVER say anything else about it... just "Earl got beat by a girl". Not another word. Just a look in the eye if that's even necessary.
 
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JimS said:
Point out to him that Earl got beat by a girl yesterday. Next time he's feeling down you say it again. NEVER say anything else about it... just "Earl got beat by a girl". Not another word. Just a look in the eye if that's even necessary.

hahahahathats funny! I'm not gonna say who the girl was though...My buddy just called and we're gonna go play some, so I'll tell him tonight! lol
 
The person who mentioned that your friend has to want it badly was right. You really do have to want it very badly. That intense need to win is what drives the practice sessions. Without that, you're just hitting balls.

Talking a lot of crap to him might help as well. I never could stand anybody talking smack to me about pool. The first good player I was ever around was a guy named Paul Seto. Ran out from everywhere. 8 ball racks against this guy rarely lasted more than three total innings.

He pounded on me for a year. When I left that area for another Army post, I told him the next time I saw him, I would be good enough to beat him.

He laughed at me.

That pissed me off so bad I kept that laugh in my head as fuel for my practice and play for the next two years. I spent a lot of solo time on the table practicing as hard as I could just in CASE I ever had the chance to play him again.. Pool consumed all my free time for two years. He came to the same Army post as me again, and I beat him for the post championship by running the last two racks on him.

Your friend really does need to want it. Tell him "Quit your f***ing whining about you can't beat this guy, you can't beat that guy. If you really think you are not capable of beating any player on earth, then go sell your stick in the pawn shop down the street and use the money to buy a nice dress! Otherwise, get your @55 on the practice table and do something about it.!"

That sort of thing can really whip a player into shape. Either that, or he'll quit the game. Either way, it's best for him. If he wants it bad, he'll prove it to you after that. If he doesn't, then he'll quit the game and quit wasting money on sticks and table time. Win/Win situation, either decision he makes!

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
The person who mentioned that your friend has to want it badly was right. You really do have to want it very badly. That intense need to win is what drives the practice sessions. Without that, you're just hitting balls.

Talking a lot of crap to him might help as well. I never could stand anybody talking smack to me about pool. The first good player I was ever around was a guy named Paul Seto. Ran out from everywhere. 8 ball racks against this guy rarely lasted more than three total innings.

He pounded on me for a year. When I left that area for another Army post, I told him the next time I saw him, I would be good enough to beat him.

He laughed at me.

That pissed me off so bad I kept that laugh in my head as fuel for my practice and play for the next two years. I spent a lot of solo time on the table practicing as hard as I could just in CASE I ever had the chance to play him again.. Pool consumed all my free time for two years. He came to the same Army post as me again, and I beat him for the post championship by running the last two racks on him.

Your friend really does need to want it. Tell him "Quit your f***ing whining about you can't beat this guy, you can't beat that guy. If you really think you are not capable of beating any player on earth, then go sell your stick in the pawn shop down the street and use the money to buy a nice dress! Otherwise, get your @55 on the practice table and do something about it.!"

That sort of thing can really whip a player into shape. Either that, or he'll quit the game. Either way, it's best for him. If he wants it bad, he'll prove it to you after that. If he doesn't, then he'll quit the game and quit wasting money on sticks and table time. Win/Win situation, either decision he makes!

Russ

Now thats a good response!! I just didn't want to upset him any further by saying something like this, but now, maybe... lol Its gonna take him time, I'm sure...You're right though, he NEEDS to quit whining about who he can't beat and focus on who he CAN beat!! When he can beat the guys consistently that can barely run a rack, he'll need to "step it up" a little...But I'll be the judge of when this will happen, IF he ever gets his head out of his rear!! If he decides to quit the game, which I highly doubt, I'm buying my cue back!! lol
 
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Dukeboy,

Have you tried to match him up against someone close to his skill level, so he could gamble a lil bit? Then he could see where his skill level is at. That is sometimes the only way for someone to realize what level they are actually playing at.

Or, have him play some of these higher skill level guys during league. And if he happens to beat one or come close, you can be like " see you almost had him " or do the man I couldnt believe how well you was shooting, unless he gets totally blown out lol.

Alot of times, it just takes some ego boosting confidence for someone to realize they are improving alot, as long as it doesnt go to his head and think he is a world beater.

I still get some guys who are right below my level in playing pool, and they try and give me the whole, OMG your just so much better than me line. And its only because when we do play, I win, by playing smarter. So over all it seems like I am playing on such a higher level. Which you can relay to your friend too, by showing him how to play smarter to win.

dave
 
Well, I think I might just take a different tact on this. Yes MOST people play better when thinking possitive and not whinning about anything, BUT one of our sports greatest players EVER did a lot of belly aching and always felt bad or had something wrong......yet beat EVERYONE for many years...Luther "wimpy" Lassitter

Even though I take the more possitive route, maybe your bud can make a carreer out of being negative!:)

Gerry
 
You may have seen on TV someone being "hypnotized". Then they tell the person he is this or that and he believes it.

This actually works without hypnotizing someone.

Frequently say; You are "this" or you are "that".

Then add to this "positive thinking".

So just keep telling him...
You are a good player!
You are improving your playing each day!
I've never seen someone improve as fast as you are improving!

Then while he is playing...
Good shot!
Good run!
That was great how you did this or that. You are really improving!

Then if you have Microsoft Publisher, you can make certificates of award. You can also get blank certificates of award at office supply businesses. If he does something good which he has been working hard on, running 3 balls, running 7 balls in a row, leaving good position for his next shot, winning a game against a good player - whatever, make up a certificate for his achievement and give it to him.

Celebrate any new achievements he makes. Do something special. Does not need to be anything expensive. Maybe just go have ice cream or whatever and say you are celebrating his success at doing something.

The bottom line is to be positive with your comments daily. Point out the good things he is doing when he does them. He may be playing crappy, but shoots one excellent shot. Point out the good shot he made and congratulate him.

Don't look at winning as the only indicator of excellent playing. Someone may be working on say draw shots, then he shoots a perfect draw shot in a game for the first time, but loses the game. Well that is reason to celebrate! He shot a good draw shot! Good work! Does not matter that he lost, he is working on one thing at a time and getting toward being able to win eventually. And has done well with what he is working on. Point it out. Good work!

(The above also works on league team members. Be positive and they will play well. But tell them they are playing crappy and that is exactly what they will do....)
 
Gerry said:
Well, I think I might just take a different tact on this. Yes MOST people play better when thinking possitive and not whinning about anything, BUT one of our sports greatest players EVER did a lot of belly aching and always felt bad or had something wrong......yet beat EVERYONE for many years...Luther "wimpy" Lassitter

Even though I take the more possitive route, maybe your bud can make a carreer out of being negative!:)

Gerry

So far other posters have hit upon motivation and staying positive. I agree with the motivation, but I will have to side with Gerry here. Telling yourself to be positive just doesn't work and whinning is ok as long as your not making excuses for yourself.

Confidence is an emotion we feel when we anticipate success. When you don't have that success you feel dejected. Motivation can bring your emotional state to a point that losing doesn't hurt so bad and you soon view it as paying your dues -to- soon kicking his ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence

By definition confidence is faith or trust in ones abilities. When we shoot we predict/ anticipate an outcome. So what does this player anticipate on his shots? Is he shooting a reasonable shot selection to his abilities? Is he playing his regular patterns? If so, something else is affecting that confidence. Something is affecting his concentration which in turn is pulling down his confidence with it. (I suspect it's social.)

If not, and you see that he takes flyer's or attempts bad patterns which are out of character for his game against this competition then we know the motivation is present. He simply isn't playing his game. To have effective confidence he has to play his plan, use the right tools and he has to know if those tools are adequate for the task at hand.

Lets look at this from a social standpoint. We all know where all players stand relative to each others abilities. We know what their status is. Socially it is all about status. We all care what our status is. He wants to take that next step. But he has to know his skill level and not overstep it's boundaries.

If you are trying to boost his confidence by telling him he is just as good as the players mentioned you might be doing him a disservice. Most pool players have an over inflated perception about their skill level. They base it on their peak performances, not their average performance. We do not suffer from lack of confidence most of the time we suffer from ill-founded confidence.

If he takes your words to heart then he basing his trust in his abilities and the anticipated outcomes too high. The easiest way to lose confidence is to expect something of yourself that is highly unlikely to happen. He has to play within his skill level. He has to be honest with himself of what that skill level is. He has to respect his skill level. That way when he misses he knows that it was an option outside of his skill level but he had no choice but to shoot the shot. The expectations of success do not crumble his confidence.

The more he plays his game at his skill level the confidence will remain. As he plays these upper level players he will learn new tools to slowly step up his play. His status is important, but do not let him think that his status is a reflection on himself as a person. It is a reflection of his skills...

EDIT: I'm not saying you shouldn't compliment his game. Just keep these thought's in mind when you do.
 
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Pick your friend up a copy of the book "The mental edge" trust me it will help his confidence 10 fold.
 
teambizy said:
Pick your friend up a copy of the book "The mental edge" trust me it will help his confidence 10 fold.

Author?

by Kenneth Baum
By Loren Christensen
by Sylvain Chamberland
 
Confidence

like any form of strength has to be earned, it can not just be given.

You don't get the physique if you don't do the pushups.
 
JimS said:
Point out to him that Earl got beat by a girl yesterday. Next time he's feeling down you say it again. NEVER say anything else about it... just "Earl got beat by a girl". Not another word. Just a look in the eye if that's even necessary.
Now that's funny Sh!% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for the laugh...
 
Confidence is a difficult thing in pool. Most people are not good enough to really be confident over every shot they take. Often times they will be faced with a shot they miss more than not, and it is awfully difficult to be confident standing over a shot like this with something on the line. That being said, you do not want a lack of confidence to be what causes you to lose. If you are going to miss a shot or shots that cause you to lose, yo uwant it to be with your best effort, not because you had a hand around your throat. I have a few things I allow to be in my head when I step over a shot like this to allow myself to put my best foot forward. I am extremely competitive, and do not like to let anything have dominance over me, especially my own emotions. One of the things I tell myself is that if I am going to lose, it will be with my best effort. I then force myself to heighten my focus, and attack the shot. While I try to be a humble person in general, at these times I also think of myself (to myself) in a not so humble way. Everyone generally has areas they excell in. I think of the fact that I generally catch on to sports faster than others (not necessarilly pool), and that pool should be no different. These things flood my mind with confidence instead of doubt.

I also think that a pre-shot routine will help. If you can make every shot the same once you get over it, it can help you get into a comfort zone for a shot, or more quickly in a match. It can move you away from doubt, and back into your hopefully smooth stroke.

Also, the fact is that everyone is not "good", and in the beginning of your development, you will not be that good. You still need confidence at these times while you are developing. So while comfort at the table does breed confidence, it also takes the mental aspect alone to give you strength at the table.
I hate missing shots because I dogged it.

Good Luck
 
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