Congratulations Shane-world pool masters champ
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How is it a double standard, there is only one reigning 9 ball world champion right now, and that is Niels Feijen. Last year it was Thorsten Hohman, neither of these events was even held in Europe?? Do you think the winnner of the British Open Snooker should be called world champion? They dont have that title until they win the world championship. Is it really that difficult to work out??
Shane is possibly the hottest player in pool just now (9 ball anyway) but he has never won the world title. I am sure he will some day though.
For me being a World Champion is not about winning 1 sanctioned event
but more of the consistency of a player that can go through his or her career
winning collective titles and staying in a consistent gear week after week,
year after year.
He will talked about as much as Efren and probably more as his career keeps
going.
It goes to show you how great he is, that when he loses people will say
he's slipping or not that great.
These comments are usually made because people expect him to win 99%
of the time. He really is that great!
but more of the consistency of a player that can go through his or her career
winning collective titles and staying in a consistent gear week after week,
year after year.
He will talked about as much as Efren and probably more as his career keeps
going.
It goes to show you how great he is, that when he loses people will say
he's slipping or not that great.
These comments are usually made because people expect him to win 99%
of the time. He really is that great!
Jimmy White is one of the best snooker players of all time, but he will never be considered alongside Hendry, O'Sullivan or Davis, as he never won the world title. Different sport, but similar sentiment...
There are not all that many individual sports where there is one event and that is for the world title. Snooker, Darts, (there are a load of events where the Olympics is the pinnacle)... For a Darts player, he can win title after title, be the money list leader, but the big one is the world title, surely that is similar in pool.
Congrats SVB, you deserve it. Hope you win all the coming ones.
It's a double standard because not winning a us open is never brought up with the careers of players who never won one. But not winning the world 9 ball must be brought up when talking about a man who has won 4 us opens, the past three, won in succession.
Show me the article or thread that talks about niels (a great player by the way and one of my favorites) winning the world 9 ball but saying his career still had a monkey on its back because he can't snap off a major in the states (us open). In fact when niels won the world 9 ball, it was exact opposite, billiards digest wrote how he finally accomplished the top.
But there are countless Shane can't win overseas so he isn't a world champion articles/threads. A four time WPA sanctioned US open champion is a world champ by literal definition alone.
One of those players is a World Champion, and it isn't Shane, sorry...
I think the reason it is brought up about Shane, is that so many people say he is the best in the world, an all time great etc... No-one has claimed that about Niels... Hence the disparity....
I don't know any all time great who hasn't won the world title in his sport...
This is such a weird post. A world title holds more prestige than any other - and this is true in basically every sport with world titles. There are no mentions of Niels never winning the US Open because it's irrelevant; he has already surpassed that with a world title win.
Er, what?
Hahaha exactly
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I will tell you what is a double standard. The fact that an organization started and run out of Europe called the WPA proclaims itself as the governing body of pool when we all know the core problem with pool is there is no true unified body. Yet, the WPA holds claim in their eyes (and yours) who can be called a world champion. Furthermore, there are too many major world class events that are not part of the WPA ... case in point the recent World Pool Masters was not part of the WPA. Furthermore, they give points to playing in Eurotour events, but no points to any of the American pro events such as the Derby.
Take a look at this ...
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/recent_events
They neglect to report on the results of the two biggest events in pool in the last 2 months, the US Open and the World Pool Masters (both won by Shane), but yet they report on Feijen's WC win and the Artistic WC won by another European?
Does this sound like an objective governing body to you?
This is why better run world class sports like tennis and golf don't use subjective terms like world championships and world champion. And they have truly unified governing bodies that objectively rate the players at the end of the year with objective weighting given to majors.
Congrats to Shane. What a dumb time to be skipping the Japan Open! Shane's got it going on right now. Doubt he's skipping to conserve energy for the Mosconi races to six.
Late correction: It had been reported on the forum that Shane would skip Japan, but I've just looked at the brackets for Japan and Shane is in the field. I am absolutely delighted about this. Good luck to Shane.
Guess I dogged this one. Sorry.
Late correction: It had been reported on the forum that Shane would skip Japan, but I've just looked at the brackets for Japan and Shane is in the field. I am absolutely delighted about this. Good luck to Shane.
Guess I dogged this one. Sorry.
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Congrats to Shane on his first overseas win. More to come.
Which of the events at the multi event Derby in your opinion should be awarded points? And furthermore, why hasn't Greg Sullivan sought to get WPA sanction? Those pints would surely draw even more world class players. You should be asking him that question.
As for the WPM, while a prestigious event, it is a small 16 man invitational. Ranking points events are always big events, usually with an open format.
Third,Myers, they report on Niels' WC and the Artistic WC, because they are, yes, world championships.
Which of the events at the multi event Derby in your opinion should be awarded points? And furthermore, why hasn't Greg Sullivan sought to get WPA sanction? Those pints would surely draw even more world class players. You should be asking him that question.
As for the WPM, while a prestigious event, it is a small 16 man invitational. Ranking points events are always big events, usually with an open format.
Third,Myers, they report on Niels' WC and the Artistic WC, because they are, yes, world championships.
Your comment, "As for the WPM, while a prestigious event, it is a small 16 man invitational. Ranking points events are always big events, usually with an open format.". This is a subjective decision made by the WPA. This is not true in other world class sports. Take into account tennis' ATP Finals ... only the top 8 players in the world. And it does indeed carry big points.
This is my whole issue with the WPA .. what is included in their points lists does not contain the biggest events in the world with the best players in the world.
Ask ourselves this, a player can win both the Derby and WPM, yet gets zero points in the WPA rankings, yet a player who wins some obscure Eurotour events gets points to push their ranking higher. Certainly you would agree that the Derby 9-ball carries some weight? How can we call that an objective system for ranking players? That is the state of the WPA today. And that is why I cannot credibly consider them the world governing body of pool today. And I truly hope that one day I will think differently of them.
And to your third comment, yes they reported on their WC events. They also reported on the Ultimate 10-ball with Immonen and Fisher. Yet, why didn't they report on Shane at the US Open?
To be clear, I believe the WPA is great for pool and they have the best intentions for the sport. But, they have some work to do. And ignoring their flawed points system, the number one player in the world right now in my eyes is Shane Van Boening.
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"That boys hot!"
Congrats to Mr. Van Boening on a great win :thumbup:
Congrats to Mr. Van Boening on a great win :thumbup:
Great win, way to go Shane.
You really should be asking Greg Sullivan and Barry Hearn why they didn't seek WPA sanctioning for their events, if you think those events are so important as to warrant them. Whoever runs the Eurotour (which by it's very nature is an international event), seems to think their events warrant it. Why don't Sullivan and Hearn think the same of their events?
Also, if you think big sports aren't subjective, lol is all I have to say. Money talks in all sports.
As for articles on the WPA homepa, those come from contributing writers. Maybe you should write an article on the U.S. Open and contribute it? No that would require work, instead of just griping.
There is a boatload of logic in this post. Not sure if everyone will be able to grasp this.
I've always believed pool should be in terms of majors. Like golf and tennis.
It would be silly to downplay a professional golfer who wins three us opens in a row but fails to win the Australian open and label him with a monkey on his back.
That's the equivalent what they do with Shane.
"A four time WPA sanctioned US open champion is a world champ by literal definition alone."
Translation: four time World Pool-billiards Association sanctioned U.S.Open Champion is a world champion by literal definition alone.
He beat a world field sanctioned by a world pool billiard association 4 times.