Just look at his tournament record, that pretty much tells the story. I believe it's posted in this thread
Congratulations Shane-world pool masters champ
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Just look at his tournament record, that pretty much tells the story. I believe it's posted in this thread
Sorry(well, never sorry to prove a Shanetard wrong), but the liberal thinking belongs to those saying things like "Shane won a WPA sanctioned US Open, so he's a world champion," or "Shane won an event called the World Pool Masters, so he's a world champion." They're basically trying to give him a participation award, which is the epitome of liberal thinking as we know it in the U.S. He's not a world champion, and admits it himself. People need to get over it. Frankly, I hope he wins one sooner than later, just so the Shanetards can stop making excuses on his behalf, because Shane himself makes no excuses.
jaden and sjm are obviously dillusional
they have been told facts after fact but persist to go against the grain
and why are people jumping the gun, if svb wins a world title like he is expected to with his ability (he has actually underachieved IMO) then what?
Strickland varner won a bunch, efren won lots, orcullo Appleton won 8,9,10 world champs, US opens US one pockets, gold medals, challenge of champions etc etc...oh but wait svb won the bar table championship...oh that's right dennis and appleton won that also as did glenn atwell who won the all round in 10 or 11 must mean he is a world champ also eh...people just have no clue
coin new phrase "shanetards"
they have been told facts after fact but persist to go against the grain
and why are people jumping the gun, if svb wins a world title like he is expected to with his ability (he has actually underachieved IMO) then what?
Strickland varner won a bunch, efren won lots, orcullo Appleton won 8,9,10 world champs, US opens US one pockets, gold medals, challenge of champions etc etc...oh but wait svb won the bar table championship...oh that's right dennis and appleton won that also as did glenn atwell who won the all round in 10 or 11 must mean he is a world champ also eh...people just have no clue
coin new phrase "shanetards"
i checked but there arent any in this thead. here's what I saw on wiki, shane's record in the last 5 years:
2009 Derby City Classic 9-Ball Division
2010 Players Championship
2010 Ultimate 10 Ball Championship
2011 Derby City Classic Master of the Table
2011 Steve Mizerak Championship
2011 US Open 10 Ball Championship
2011 Turning Stone Classic XVIII
2011 2011 Pool Ocho Open
2012 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship
2012 Derby City Master of the Table
2012 US Bar Table Championship - 10 Ball Division
2012 US Open One Pocket
2012 Players Championship
2013 US Open 8-Ball[18]
2013 US Bar Table Championship - 9 Ball Division
2013 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship
2014 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship
again, let me repeat my question. aside from US titles (and Shane's 1st major international title outside the US, WPM), where else did Shane dominate?
now look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Orcollo
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Wow. This is hilarious.
Shane isn't a world champion. That's not liberal logic, that's a fact.
Trying to call the US Open a world championship, or clinging to that unofficial "world" ten-ball 2007 tournament (played on 8x4s) comes off as insecure and desperate.
If people think SVB is the best player in the world then that's fine. His level of play and remarkable accomplishments over the last few years can justify that opinion. Personally I don't think it's as clear cut as others do, but it's perfectly reasonable to call him the best player in the world. To call him a world champion, though? That's not reasonable, it's delusional.
The 2007 "world" 10 ball was played on 4x8's??
No one is arguing Earl vs. Shane, certainly not me. I was only responding to a convoluted post by GDC comparing one of Earl's world titles to Shane's 2007 world 10 ball, since neither event was sanctioned by the WPA.
Ko beat him in another 10 ball tournament a few years ago, but that's not even the point. The point is Ko is not in any sense the undisputed top dog from Taiwan; that country's pool talent runs deep. There are kids on their pro tour I've never heard of who can take down ANY international tournament.
Shane plays at that level, no one denies this. The sad thing is, besides Shane, there are ZERO American players who are a threat in a real international tournament. Zero.
I have been around pro pool for close to 30 years ... I can tell you stories of watching Archer hustling guys for $20k a set when he was teenager. I know very well that SVB has not won a WPA-sanctioned WC. I am not delusional.
Here is that 2007 match. It is actually quite a good match of you guys haven't seen it. Take specific note of how the commentators announce the victory ... "The World's First 10-Ball World Champion".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NHOLHxeA3o#t=306
So today, everyone looks in their perfectly clear rearview mirrors as historical scholars and calls SVB fans idiots and stupid for looking at him like a world champion. But I can tell you that in 2007-2009 people thought otherwise especially in the dark years with the WPA ... many people thought they were done. Watch that match ... the commentators were not idiots and people were not delusional and stupid for watching that final.
All of this stems from the pitiful way pro pool has been governed. I am 100% in support of the WPA moving things forward with sanctioning. But, the history of this sport and way it has been governed has not been clear.
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So the commentators of the event itself call him a world champion, therefore it must be so? lol
Come on, man! This has rarely, if ever, been brought up previously as a credible claim to a world title, and Shane himself has said he doesn't consider himself a world champion. He's a great player, and I think he'll get a world title one day, but he hasn't yet. Claiming otherwise is what makes people seem delusional.
if you've been "around pro pool" that long, then you should also know that the 2007 Predator World Ten-ball Championship that Shane won in Florida was the same Florida Open Ten-ball Championship that was held since 2001, and sponsored by United States Professional Poolplayers Association (UPA). you also probably know that WPA has it's own 10-ball event, which is the World Ten-Ball Championship (WTBC). FYI, the WPA started the world 10-ball in 2008, while the UPA continued their 10-ball event until 2011. it actually gave dennis orcollo two 10-ball titles (2009 & 2011). efren won the 2010 event. so do we add two more world titles to dennis' list and one on efren's?
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So let me ask you this ... where was the WPA (aka the International Governing Body of Pool) in this time period when people were putting on an event others considered a world championship?
Today, they act like a true governing body ... they recently took action against Dragon Promotions for trying to create a women's world championship http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11645-wpa-acts-on-international-pool-championships/. Kudos to them.
Where were they in 2007-2009 my friend?
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I don't. He needs to win one. But, I am not the one out there calling SVB fans idiots, stupid, weasels, delusional. I understand the line of thinking of his fans. All I have said all along in this thread is that you cannot blame the fans ... you need to blame the governing bodies.
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Ron Swanson
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If shane is the greatest player the world has ever seen, and won a world title in 2007, why hasnt he won one since?
Well, FWIW, I think Efren Reyes is the greatest player of all time. Why did he only win one WPA World 9-ball Championship?If shane is the greatest player the world has ever seen, and won a world title in 2007, why hasnt he won one since?
Ron Swanson
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I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. You know why most people pick Efren as the best ... because he won the most tournaments, the most money, across the most disciplines. This is a Shane thread where SVB fans like to talk about watching Shane's trajectory and enjoy his recent win. Somehow it has evolved into you guys calling the SVB fans idiots. I don't get that.
Who said he is the greatest player the world has ever seen???
He still has a little bit to go before he surpasses, Earl, Efren, Mike Segal, etc...
I've only said he's the best player playing right now...today...and yes Earl is still playing but he isn't better than Shane right now..
Jaden
If shane is the greatest player the world has ever seen, and won a world title in 2007, why hasnt he won one since?
He still has a little bit to go before he surpasses, Earl, Efren, Mike Segal, etc...
I've only said he's the best player playing right now...today...and yes Earl is still playing but he isn't better than Shane right now..
Jaden