Copyright Schmopyright... at what shaggin point?
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This statement is probably true for a different reason that you think.
I also believe some lawyers would tell you that , even though they knew it was not true!
If they don't have a client , they can't charge a fee!
Fair use in copying something like a book , is referring to a quote or quotes from a book for journalistic uses or possibly copying some pages that are missing from an original book that you own to make a complete book.
NOT copying the whole book.
Ignoratia juris non excusat would be the term you would most likely hear when you were in court.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse!
Copyright infringement is a very serious offense {especially if you have something of value that can be taken from you!}
People who own nothing substantial and have no assets that can be traced , probably have very little to worry about , most people aren't going to pursue them because of the expense , but if you have enough to make a payday ??????
Also , you may get lucky and copy something from an eccentric, who doesn't care that it costs him 10 grand , he just wants to put a judgement on you in case you ever get anything that he can take it away.
If you ever heard of lawyers who are ambulance chasers , multiply that times 1000, because when you go to court , all they have to do is show that the person they represent owns the copyright , you lose , no muss, no fuss, you lose.
The purpose of copyright is not to punish the little guy!
It is to keep the big guys from stealing the little guys work and ideas and because they can produce them cheaper and have the avenues already open to distribute , they can essentailly take all the profit out of your idea.
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If you had a clue, you'd realize I was referring to the people that sell the book for over $300. Like the guy Bob referred to that was selling a copy with a starting bid of $899, and a buy it now option of $1,199 SEE HERE
Best post I have seen on AZB in about 6 months.
Tap tap tap.. Well done sir.
Let's find out where he lives and have him shot. With a spoon!
Some countries and their citizens ignore copyright law.
I see reprints on demand of most of the rare books are on ebay available from India.
Some rich guy prints and sells them and uses field workers as his shill.
That's why no field worker will ever be famous for writing a book and climb out of the toilet they are living in.
Thats how they do things .
I for one, like our system better.
It's all good when you are sitting safe on top of the ivory tower, try thinking what it's like for the guy and his family who are at the bottom.
Sadly , I see America turning toward your way of thinking more than other countries turning to ours.
Please leave politics and religion out of it, both are used for the wrong reasons by everybody.
I see reprints on demand of most of the rare books are on ebay available from India.
Some rich guy prints and sells them and uses field workers as his shill.
That's why no field worker will ever be famous for writing a book and climb out of the toilet they are living in.
Thats how they do things .
I for one, like our system better.
It's all good when you are sitting safe on top of the ivory tower, try thinking what it's like for the guy and his family who are at the bottom.
Sadly , I see America turning toward your way of thinking more than other countries turning to ours.
Please leave politics and religion out of it, both are used for the wrong reasons by everybody.
I think we've all learned four things.
1. Eddie's books are quite expensive, but are justifiably so.
2. If you would like to pirate them, you may.
3. If you're planning to pirate them, perhaps you ought not advertise the fact.
4. Big Brother may not always be listening, but the armies of self-important narks are.
1. Eddie's books are quite expensive, but are justifiably so.
2. If you would like to pirate them, you may.
3. If you're planning to pirate them, perhaps you ought not advertise the fact.
4. Big Brother may not always be listening, but the armies of self-important narks are.
This is the danger of posting an opinion on the Internet. You risk forever having to defend your statement.
If you bothered to read my other post, you would see that I already acknowledged that copying a book in it's entirety would very likely not be considered fair use. You would also see that I am in no way condoning the general practice, nor am I condemning it.
Here's a page from the Purdue University Copyright Office regarding fair use. They probably know a little bit about the law since they have a prestigious law school within their system.
https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/CopyrightBasics/fair_use.html
You should be aware that each judgment regarding copyright infringement is decided on a case-by-case basis. Once in court, the OP could use the Fair Use analysis Purdue suggests (paraphrased from the four factors favoring fair use as laid out in Section 107 of copyright law) to make a legitimate claim that he copied the work in good faith that he was doing so within the limits allowed by the law. Favoring him would be three out of four factors. The only one going against him would be the amount of the book that was copied (its entirety).
Even if he was found guilty, the punitive damages couldn't exceed the actual damages to the copyright owner, plus court and legal fees. In Mr. Robin's case, the very most he would be awarded would probably be $158, since that is the price he is asking for on ebay. I seriously doubt that this would ever go to court, though, no matter how much money the owner had. It's just not worth the court's time to hear a copyright case with so little money involved. It would likely have to be a small claims hearing, and that could go in just about any direction.
BTW all this is just me playing the devil's advocate. I think the big issue here in not a legal one, but one of respect. The author is still alive, is selling the one available book at a reasonable price, has made a valuable contribution to our sport, and has made it perfectly clear that he does not want his book photocopied. So the answer is easy - just don't do it, out of respect for one of our own.
This is the danger of posting an opinion on the Internet. You risk forever having to defend your statement.
If you bothered to read my other post, you would see that I already acknowledged that copying a book in it's entirety would very likely not be considered fair use. You would also see that I am in no way condoning the general practice, nor am I condemning it.
Here's a page from the Purdue University Copyright Office regarding fair use. They probably know a little bit about the law since they have a prestigious law school within their system.
https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/CopyrightBasics/fair_use.html
You should be aware that each judgment regarding copyright infringement is decided on a case-by-case basis. Once in court, the OP could use the Fair Use analysis Purdue suggests (paraphrased from the four factors favoring fair use as laid out in Section 107 of copyright law) to make a legitimate claim that he copied the work in good faith that he was doing so within the limits allowed by the law. Favoring him would be three out of four factors. The only one going against him would be the amount of the book that was copied (its entirety).
Even if he was found guilty, the punitive damages couldn't exceed the actual damages to the copyright owner, plus court and legal fees. In Mr. Robin's case, the very most he would be awarded would probably be $158, since that is the price he is asking for on ebay. I seriously doubt that this would ever go to court, though, no matter how much money the owner had. It's just not worth the court's time to hear a copyright case with so little money involved. It would likely have to be a small claims hearing, and that could go in just about any direction.
BTW all this is just me playing the devil's advocate. I think the big issue here in not a legal one, but one of respect. The author is still alive, is selling the one available book at a reasonable price, has made a valuable contribution to our sport, and has made it perfectly clear that he does not want his book photocopied. So the answer is easy - just don't do it, out of respect for one of our own.
You gave your opinion on the subject and I gave mine.
The readers will choose who they think is correct.
Your statement about the damages he could claim is absolutely wrong.
So when you buy a new car from Ford say and sell it second hand a few years later, Ford should get the money?
How have we got a thriving forum of buying and selling of second hand cues?
Old Nine Baller
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My opinion is this; As long as author Eddie Robin is still selling brand new copies on E-Bay for $158, you have no right to "pirate" a copy "by any means necessary".
Certainly there are a few guys here who know each other and could pitch-in to buy the book. Pass it around, learn from it and then sell it and get your money back. You will probably never see a lower price than $158 for the book S,M,&S.
This is in no way comparable to a "end of the world" scenario where you are trying to feed your family. The book is available to you much cheaper than you mentioned.
ONB
So when you buy a new car from Ford say and sell it second hand a few years later, Ford should get the money?
How have we got a thriving forum of buying and selling of second hand cues?
I get what you're saying, and don't disagree with you entirely.
But there is a huge difference. When you buy a new car at say $20,000, and wish to sell it a few years later. You're never going to get $20,000 for it, and surely never going to get more.
I could buy W1P from Eddie Robin for $158, and sell it next month for $500.
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All four of Eddie Robin's pool books are available to read (not to own) here:
https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL1664394A/Eddie_Robin
Be patient and you'll get your turn to read each of them.
Arnaldo
https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL1664394A/Eddie_Robin
Be patient and you'll get your turn to read each of them.
Arnaldo
Not necessarily true, as I tried to read Winning One Pocket that way and the library that had it wouldn't send it to my library.
I see with is an Ebook thing.
Wait what I was referring to is in N.Y. where libraries actually send books to other libraries, or at least they are supposed to.
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A few years ago someone sent me an email that had a PDF copy of Winning One-Pocket...
I still have the PDF (I haven't deleted it in outrage since I neither made the PDF nor asked for it and I have no intentions of selling it or making it available to others)...
But, the quality is terrible and you have to be REALLY dedicated and a knowledgeable user of Acrobat to get much out of it...
Someone should get permission and make real digital copies that are formatted and readable... Hell, I'd buy one reasonably priced...
I still have the PDF (I haven't deleted it in outrage since I neither made the PDF nor asked for it and I have no intentions of selling it or making it available to others)...
But, the quality is terrible and you have to be REALLY dedicated and a knowledgeable user of Acrobat to get much out of it...
Someone should get permission and make real digital copies that are formatted and readable... Hell, I'd buy one reasonably priced...
Exactly.
Which was my point when I said getting a pirated version is no worse (nor better) than buying an overpriced copy on EBay.
Mind you, this was before I knew that Eddie Robin was also selling copies of his books.
Evidently they have a book that Eddie never published. I wonder how that happened.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
Actually reading and comprehending posts aren't his long suit. He just bleats out anything that comes to mind and figures he's most often correct.
ONB
Old Nine Baller
Banned
Not only that, it's not even a book listed as one of Eddie's future projects. At least not in S,M,& S.
ONB