Does it also have anything on it to indicate that it is no longer property of the library?
When a library thins it's inventory they will generally mark the book to indicate that it was to be sold or donated, or no longer a part of their inventory
Copyright Schmopyright... at what shaggin point?
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Does it also have anything on it to indicate that it is no longer property of the library?
When a library thins it's inventory they will generally mark the book to indicate that it was to be sold or donated, or no longer a part of their inventory
Jesus! Yes, as I said, it has a stamp in large black block letters that says,
WITHDRAWN
Must I post a photo of this stamp to satisfy you?
Nah, it was never my book. I just like it when you guys get your shorts in a bunch
You're a lot more fun than those NPR guys. It's gotta be tough to always have your shorts in a bunch, that's an angry group over there.
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Just, wow. Do you use that same mentality for software? What about music and movies? What about a rare first edition book? What about art with only 1 (or just a few) copies? It's illegal. That's the point of copyright law. You have no RIGHT to COPY.
You say you have no another option. You have 2. (1) pay the price or (2) do without. There is no (3) steal it.
Worst advice EVAR. And then we worry about why society is going down the tubes...
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It's just a shame that there is knowledge out there that could be in the public domain and yet it is reserved for the fortunate few. This is my main gripe :::stomps feet and squeals in rage:::: I want one daddy, and I want it naaaaaoooooow! :::: Veruca Salt voice::::
I know it's not a magical tome that will grant me the creative insight of Efren Cornbread St Louis Allen Van Boening Reyes.... yet, I wanna see it. But I am solving this problem by just talking to one pocket players in my region that have a bit of experience and pooling this knowledge. I will upload all of this to a website one fine day for all to read free of charge, diagrams and all.
I do appreciate your sentiment however and agree with it in principle.
Regards,
Lesh
NPR? I've only ventured there once, and that was by accident when a thread I was following got moved there. It reminded me of one of those bizarre and frightening worlds that Don Juan used to take Carlos Castaneda to while under the influence of peyote. Like a bad trip, it was vaguely interesting, but none of it really made any sense afterward.
I worked in the book manufacturing industry for 27 years. I've dabbled in the used/rare book trade for even longer. I've bought, sold, traded, and collected books for a long time. I can understand why a signed first edition of a modern first edition can go sky high in a very short time if it's known to have a small print run and there is a high demand. I've seen some books go very high at first and then plummet like a stone dropped from a high building. Bridges of Madison County comes to mind as an example. You can hardly give them away today. On the other hand, I was in Barnes and Noble today and the cost of new books seems to be getting higher every year. Probably 99.9% of new books will not be worth half the cover price in six months or less. I can see why so many people {me included} prefer to acquire ebooks for reading purposes. I currently collect physical copies of mystery novels by a choice few authors. I collect what I like, keeping a physical copy in collectible condition and ebooks to read of the same title. Because pool and billiard books actually have such a small demand compared to other genres, I try to check out any new ones as soon as I hear of them. If I like it I'll buy it right away, if I'm not crazy about it but want it for my collection, I may wait a while if I think it's something that will be around for a while. I know that stuff like the One Pocket books and Rags to Rifleman were pretty short runs and have grabbed them up immediately. Sometimes if I miss something I'll search the Internet for it. I searched for McGoorty for about 20-25 years for a first edition hard cover and wound up getting one at the local used book store for $1.98. That copy is now signed by Bob Byrne. I got a copy of The Lions and the Lambs by a trade for a copy of Billiards: Hustlers and Heroes, Legends and Lies, and the Search for Higher Truth on the Green Felt. I have to keep my eyes and ears open and pay attention, sometimes it's a crap shoot.
I know it's not a magical tome that will grant me the creative insight of Efren Cornbread St Louis Allen Van Boening Reyes.... yet, I wanna see it. But I am solving this problem by just talking to one pocket players in my region that have a bit of experience and pooling this knowledge. I will upload all of this to a website one fine day for all to read free of charge, diagrams and all.
Lesh
Now you are on the right track!
The first book had some great ideas in it , the second was a lot of fantasy shots I don't believe most people would ever shoot in a game unless it was for fun.
I have been diagramming shots from videos and matches I have watched for the last 20 plus years , Most are on index cards then I started using a table picture with grid lines which is much more precise and I use a mock cueball to show the tip position and write down the speed of the hit.
It will take a while , but you will have a tremendous wealth of ideas when you get to the table , if you just do this.
Lesh
Now you are on the right track!
The first book had some great ideas in it , the second was a lot of fantasy shots I don't believe most people would ever shoot in a game unless it was for fun.
I have been diagramming shots from videos and matches I have watched for the last 20 plus years , Most are on index cards then I started using a table picture with grid lines which is much more precise and I use a mock cueball to show the tip position and write down the speed of the hit.
It will take a while , but you will have a tremendous wealth of ideas when you get to the table , if you just do this.
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I am not too flakey when it comes to a pet project. I always finish them and never set goals that are unobtainable. Ive written a few training manuals in my day and will have little trouble making this one for one pocket. I have never tried to do it in a web based browser format, but I think I can muddle my way through it.
Most important order of business is to just gather as much of the core shot formulas and then get peoples input on them. I can use a table diagram thingy I found and have an easy graphic representation.
It's going to be fun and hopefully I will meet some interesting people.
Lesh
Speaking of which, I see that someone is offering a copy of W1P on eBay with an opening bid of eight ninety-nine.
i see what you did there
Also, I'd just like to add a few things that may or not have already been mentioned.
For all of these copies being sold on Ebay and elsewhere. Does Eddie Robin receive any money? If the answer is no, then it's ridiculous to claim getting a pirated version of the book is wrong. When 0% of the money from each sale is going to the original author, that's just as bad as piracy. Perhaps, even worse, since someone other than the author is making a profit.
For all of these copies being sold on Ebay and elsewhere. Does Eddie Robin receive any money? If the answer is no, then it's ridiculous to claim getting a pirated version of the book is wrong. When 0% of the money from each sale is going to the original author, that's just as bad as piracy. Perhaps, even worse, since someone other than the author is making a profit.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
What are you? 29 or 30 years old? You think you know it all already don't you? You played two-foul 9-Ball once or twice(and didn't bet nothing) so you are an expert and you think you have a valid opinion on this topic? Why don't you hang around and see if Eddie Robin chimes in? Maybe you'll learn something if that is possible for a person who knows it all.
Did you even notice that the E-Bay link is to a book being sold by Eddie Robin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-pocket-...16?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c756c228=
You don't have a clue.
ONB
LMAO!!! That seems to be the world we live in anymore.... Such a shame...
Nah, it was never my book. I just like it when you guys get your shorts in a bunch
You're a lot more fun than those NPR guys. It's gotta be tough to always have your shorts in a bunch, that's an angry group over there.
Not really... The Thaiger hangs out in the Main Forum now... has not been to NPR in quite some time...but that's ok, you can keep him as long as you like.. no rush, really
Although common practice is to sell at whatever the market will go for, I’m not the one who had charged $400, $500, and even as much as $800 for a book. I’m the one that ended such practice! Other than once every year or so when I lower the price a bit further for Christmas, a friend or someone wanting extra copies for presents, or whatever, I’ve been selling my regular-edition hardcover Shots, Moves, & Strategies books on eBay for between $158 and $158.97 for years. Whereas a long-time standard in the publishing world was to charge six times the cost of producing books, it wasn't meant for books long ‘out-of-print’ and definitely not for when only limited numbers remain; that’s a very different kettle of fish.
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I’d limited my price to $225 for the last of the remaining Winning One-Pocket books, which were sold out years ago, while others were charging up to $800. I obviously knew doing so would bring down the value of my books, but I did it. I switched from eBay auctions to buy-it-now because of how the auctions would sometimes make me uncomfortable when the bidding went higher than expected. This bothered me and so I'd begun the practice of including checks with shipped books. Maybe some of the many customers surprised to receive such checks are still AZ Billiard members.
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My name is Eddie Robin and I’m grateful to the few AZ Billiards members who care for what’s right and so contacted me about you and that you have made yourself so easy to find for I’m the self-publisher of Position Play, Winning One-Pocket, and Shots, Moves, & Strategies. You really should be kicked off this forum!
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You've obviously not researched the incredible cost in both jail time and money when caught at breaking the copyright laws you mock. I’ll need money to get other titles published and though I’m currently in poverty, you may be my best hope. You just may be the one who will help get me back in business.
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I do know that those that run this forum had once warned members about breaking copyright laws. Just buying stolen stuff can be quite costly as well and you may one day be forced to give up a list of customers. Have not been on AZ Billiards for long time due to the way I’d been treated here when simply wanting to help but I’m certainly looking forward to what happens re this issue.
Just as long as you don't simply take from my work and simply change wording. I've regretted my failure re the Kohler book and letting the guy go who was caught selling spiral-bound copies but will certainly not let it happen again.
I truly appreciate those of you who care about justice and have therefore notified me about such happenings.
Eddie Robin
The statement in red is probably true for a different reason that you think.
I also believe some lawyers would tell you that , even though they knew it was not true!
If they don't have a client , they can't charge a fee!
Now when you go in front of a judge who you are not paying to tell you what you want to hear, uh oh , mean old reality.
Fair use in copying something like a book , is referring to a quote or quotes from a book for journalistic uses or possibly copying some pages that are missing from an original book that you own to make a complete book.
NOT copying the whole book.
Ignoratia juris non excusat would be the term you would most likely hear when you were in court.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse!
Copyright infringement is a very serious offense {especially if you have something of value that can be taken from you!}
People who own nothing substantial and have no assets that can be traced , probably have very little to worry about , most people aren't going to pursue them because of the expense , but if you have enough to make a payday ??????
Also , you may get lucky and copy something from an eccentric, who doesn't care that it costs him 10 grand , he just wants to put a judgement on you in case you ever get anything that he can take it away.
If you ever heard of lawyers who are ambulance chasers , multiply that times 1000, because when you go to court , all they have to do is show that the person they represent owns the copyright , you lose , no muss, no fuss, you lose.
The purpoose of copyright laws is not as some of you seem to believe
"to keep the little guy from having access", it is to keep the "big guys" from stealing everyones ideas and work, and making copies and selling them 10,000 to 1 over you because they can produce and distribute items so much easier and cheaper.
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