Cored with Phenolic Rod

[ratcues]

Young man, what's all this talk about 'thinking outside of the box' and using untraditional materials in cue construction?
Why,...that's just crazy-talk and borders on anarchy. This will not be tolerated.
It goes against all that we as Americans, hold to be true and self-evident. How dare you question the wisdom of our forefathers and even most of your peers. That 'box' is there for a reason and you WILL NOT deviate from it. It's just too risky and threatens our very security. You will speak of this no more. You know... those young hippies of the Artist Community in San Fransisco back in the 60's used to talk like that and look what happened to them. Is that what you want?

Hence forth, you will use only accepted materials and construction methods. You WILL put all of your ring-work in line. Your points will be no longer that 6" and you will only use traditional colored veneers. Should you disagree with any of this, you will be severely 'bashed' by your peers in a public forum and sent to your room without your supper. There will be no Conan O'Brien either until you can convince your mother & I that you have decided to think like everyone else.
We can't have you upsetting the delicate relationship we have with the all-powerful collectors and their money, that we depend on for our very existence. No sir, we won't have any of it.

Don't forget for one second young man that Gitmo is still in use and your mother & I are friends with the Cheneys. If for whatever reason that doesn't work-out, there's always military school. Now go to your room and think about what I've just said.

Really......think about it.

I probably shouldn't have posted in this thread; some of the things I've read are a little disturbing. But, I just came from the shop after shooting finish on 9 shafts and felt like writing. Sorry, carry on.

That's funny but you forgot to mention the "Hoppe ring."

 

[ratcues]

and not one of them was made into a pool cue... thanks for posting

i wonder how edison custom cues played

For once, I agree with Dave! Edison never built a cue but he did invent the lights you use above your machines and the radio you listen to while you build. Put things into perspective.......

I am not sure if a phenolic core is the answer but I am willing to listen. There is one way to find out..... Keep building the way you want to build. If it works, people will buy, then collect, then you will be immortalized. If not, try again....then again....

 

[desi2960]

no right way

I once had a cue returned because the customer said i built the cue wrong. he said " you did not do it like this other cuemaker ". I explained to him if he wanted a cue built like that , just buy it from the other cuemaker. but 'no' he wanted one of my cues but insisted i build the cue like the other guy. Bottom line is i build cues the way i want and care less if you think its the right way or not. I even had a cuebuilder tell me that i could not put the wood pin in the butt, he said he tried it and it would not work. we now know that he was wrong. So now for the coring or not coring, hollow or solid, wood or synthetic, just do what works for you and your customers. I myself am tired of some of the posters that know everything about everything. I am going to do what works for me right or wrong. chuck

 

[QMAKER]

Coring

So now for the coring or not coring, hollow or solid, wood or synthetic, just do what works for you and your customers. I myself am tired of some of the posters that know everything about everything. I am going to do what works for me right or wrong. chuck

TAP, TAP and TAP SOME MORE.

Anonymous quote, "The only things really worth knowing are those things you learn when you think you know it all".

 

[DaveK]

A wise man once said "you can't fix what you can't measure". Until one can measure that nebulous quality called "hit" all of these discussions are speculation and opinions ... not that there is anything wrong with that.

Dave

 

[MVPCues]

A wise man once said "you can't fix what you can't measure". Until one can measure that nebulous quality called "hit" all of these discussions are speculation and opinions ... not that there is anything wrong with that.

Dave

<joke too obscure>

 

[manwon]

I am very glad to see that I am not the only one who beleives in thinking outside the Box. It is funny that those who said it was a load of Crap and to the individual who called me an Idiot no body have not posted any further comments to this thread. Thanks to those who understand how important it is to use what god gave us all a brain

 

[DaveK]

I am very glad to see that I am not the only one who beleives in thinking outside the Box.

Do you color outside the lines too ? :groucho:

Dave

 

[manwon]

Do you color outside the lines too ? :groucho:

Dave

Yes I do, in fact I learned to do from my Grandfather, you may have heard of him his name was Picasso!!:thumbup:

 

[dave sutton]

For once, I agree with Dave! Edison never built a cue but he did invent the lights you use above your machines and the radio you listen to while you build. Put things into perspective.......

I am not sure if a phenolic core is the answer but I am willing to listen. There is one way to find out..... Keep building the way you want to build. If it works, people will buy, then collect, then you will be immortalized. If not, try again....then again....

thanks ryan i feel the same. i love to listen also. hear different techniques est. take what i want and leave the rest. fine.

but if bob meucci (example) came on here and praised no tenon in the ajoint is every post. im gonna say this guy is crazy. and i dont want any part of making a cue with no tenon in the a joint. sorry

if that is thinking "inside the box" then i'll stay in my little box with gus gb dennis pete jr and sr and graig can hang out with bob.

no disrespect to bob just using him as an example

 

[DaveK]

Yes I do, in fact I learned to do from my Grandfather, you may have heard of him his name was Picasso!!:thumbup:

Sure I've heard of him, he's a famous communist, you must be very proud

Dave

 

[manwon]

thanks ryan i feel the same. i love to listen also. hear different techniques est. take what i want and leave the rest. fine.

but if bob meucci (example) came on here and praised no tenon in the ajoint is every post. im gonna say this guy is crazy. and i dont want any part of making a cue with no tenon in the a joint. sorry

if that is thinking "inside the box" then i'll stay in my little box with gus gb dennis pete jr and sr and graig can hang out with bob.

no disrespect to bob just using him as an example

Dave trust me on this I hang out and Worship no one in particular, in addition I am certainly not a Nut Hugger or some one that speaks with the intent of impressing anyone. I say what I believe to be correct, I offer information that I have discovered through trial and error, I have never claimed I know it all, and I respect those who act respectfully to others. I have not ever taken advantage of another forum member, by leading people to believe that things are something that they are not. If I use a pre-made blank I will clearly say that is what I have used, and this also go's for any thing else I am doing, I have nothing to hide like others do. I know that I certainly am not always right, but when I find that I am wrong I will Man up and say so.

I am glad that you brought Bob Meucci and the technique of using no tenon at the A-joint up. I think if you did a little research you may be surprised that there are still some well known cue makers using this technique. It isn't dead Dave, I think you would be surprised who you would be insulting if they read your comments.

Oh and by the way, I am just a no body anyway, it seems that in most cases people don't so defensive unless they have something to hide. :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: Especially when some one they consider to be a No body makes a comment, oh well I will try to get a life!!!!!!!:thumbup:

Have a wonderful day Dave!!

 

[manwon]

Sure I've heard of him, he's a famous communist, you must be very proud

Dave

Canadians What do you expect!!!!!!!!:thumbup: But, yes I am proud!!!

 

[dave sutton]

craig just like most of your 1000 word posts in this thread you've said much about nothing. Atleast nothing that means anything on topic. I'm not sure where your going.

I'm don't care who you are or what you do construction wise. All I stated is you questioning others " integrity " has not one thing to do with this topic.

Now you've become the guy that curses every 3 words because you can't put a legitimate thought together. You have to insult to make your point to seem better. That's about it.

When I get to a real computer and not my iPhone I will post the definition of " intergity" and you can tell us where it fits in this conversation

 

[manwon]

craig just like most of your 1000 word posts in this thread you've said much about nothing. Atleast nothing that means anything on topic. I'm not sure where your going.

I'm don't care who you are or what you do construction wise. All I stated is you questioning others " integrity " has not one thing to do with this topic.

Now you've become the guy that curses every 3 words because you can't put a legitimate thought together. You have to insult to make your point to seem better. That's about it.

When I get to a real computer and not my iPhone I will post the definition of " intergity" and you can tell us where it fits in this conversation

EXCELLENT POST...

let me add i agree. i hear all this crap about thinking out of the box. its a load of crap. IMO.

Dave above your statement speaks volumes, these some of the wisest words I have ever heard in my life and I am certainly not the only person who beleives this!!:smile:

Now you've become the guy that curses every 3 words because you can't put a legitimate thought together. You have to insult to make your point to seem better. That's about it.

Dave I have cursed no one, and I have identified know one by name so those insulted have taken it upon themselves to wear those shoes, it could be insecurity, and it could be guilt, only they know for sure. I mean if it doesn't apply it should roll off some ones back like water off a duck.

Have a good night Dave

 

[dave sutton]

yes I said that. I was refering to you basically calling everyone a moron that doesn't agree with you. Just because someones opinion differs from yours doesn't mean they are close minded. That's the "crap" I was revering too

 

[shankster8]

qbilders #22 post is probably the lowest class post I've ever seen on AZB. This guy seems to have a major ego problem - claims he's been insulted by Manwon, but I can't see how. Then he launches the most insulting post ever.

And he completely mischaracterizes Manwon's technique, implying that Manwon is coring with phenolic. Duh, didn't Manwon explain he was simply inserting a couple phenolic tubes, which were cored with wood, to strengthen critical points in the butt? So the butt remains essentially wood from end to end, just like any other wood-cored butt.

I think qbilder should get off his highchair and apologize to Manwon for two reasons - for totally misunderstanding/mischaracterizing Manwons technique, and for being so rude in the process of making his irrelevant commentary. I also think he should apologize to everyone here for his misleading/irrelevant posts. He should probably also commend Manwon's innovation.

I would not be surprised if this method becomes status quo before long. Warped pieces of art are a sad thing. It is refreshing to see that two old timers promptly glued up test pieces to try this method out, rather than ignorantly mischaracterizing or maligning it.

And now Sutton in post 74 is accusing Manwon of cursing every three words, yet I can't find an example of that. Wow, these guys are so insincere!!!!!! JMHO

 

[RiverCity]

I would not be surprised if this method becomes status quo before long. Warped pieces of art are a sad thing. It is refreshing to see that two old timers promptly glued up test pieces to try this method out, rather than ignorantly mischaracterizing or maligning it.

Im not a cuemaker, but I have been a machinist and Ive worked with wood a little bit too. I can see from an "engineering" standpoint how a phenolic rod/tube could strengthen the a-joint as opposed to just a threaded wood tenon. On top of changing the balance point, thats why some cuemakers use a metal screw there too. Strength.
But how could a phenolic support rod in the a-joint possibly keep the rest of the wood in the cue from moving or warping?
Chuck

 

[manwon]

yes I said that. I was refering to you basically calling everyone a moron that doesn't agree with you. Just because someones opinion differs from yours doesn't mean they are close minded. That's the "crap" I was revering too

The only person calling people Morons because he doesn't agree with them is your Boy Eric Crisp. Check my first post #5 then check his post#6 where he started the exact Bull Shit your speaking of above.

That's the "crap" I was revering too

Dave, I do not know if you missed part of the thread or if you are blinded by his light, but that is also the Nut Hugging I was refering too.

Take Care Buddy.

 

[manwon]

Im not a cuemaker, but I have been a machinist and Ive worked with wood a little bit too. I can see from an "engineering" standpoint how a phenolic rod/tube could strengthen the a-joint as opposed to just a threaded wood tenon. On top of changing the balance point, thats why some cuemakers use a metal screw there too. Strength.
But how could a phenolic support rod in the a-joint possibly keep the rest of the wood in the cue from moving or warping?
Chuck

Chuck, we are not just talking about the A-joint post # 57 which you may have missed has some photo's that will give you idea what I am doing. Chuck, since you have some experience in machining and engineering please take a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks Chuck