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the original arguement is phenolic doesnt have the same tone as wood. i agreed with joey on that. ive played with phenolic handles cues and they were no good to me. i posted an example. to me a core would be worse. no i havent tried it and do not care to based on my experience.

as i stated before very stiff and dead. great breaker but bad player
 
JoeyInCali said:
Would you like me to bandsaw a cue I did with linen phenolic sleeve in the A-JOINT?
A friend of mine owns the cue now . He does some tooling for me.
I tell you what, drill a purpleheart or bocote 5/8 in the center and turn it down to 3/4 OD, one foot long.
Bounce that nest to your linen phenolic tube.
If your linen phenolic tube pings better, you da man.

Now, if you can convince Bill Webb to use linen phenolic tube, lemme know.
After all he would want a more stable and better hitting cue,
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Joey, first let me say Bill Webb and his cues are not in anyway part of this discussion, so why bring Bill into something he is not involved in in the first place, so stay on a topic you know something about. I will say this one last time I do not have to convince anyone about anything. People will try what they want to try I am just adding something to a conversation that I have tried. If some one tries it and it works that is wonderful, if they try it and don't like it that is also wonderful. But the way you have do tried to do this and the way I have tried it are not the same.

Do you understand Joey, let others make the decision for themselves your opinion and mine really doesn't matter Joey, we are just Squirrels trying to find that special nut.:D
 
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manwon said:
Joey, first let me say Bill Webb and his cues are not in anyway part of this discussion, so why bring Bill into something he is not involved in in the first place. I will say this one last time I do not have to convince anyone about anything. People will try what they want to try I am just adding something to a conversation that I have tried. If some one tries it and it works that is wonderful, if they try it and don't like it that is also wonderful. But the way you have do tried to do this and the way I have tried it are not the same.

Do you understand Joey, let others make the decision for themselves your opinion and mine really doesn't Joey, we are just Squirrels trying to find a nut.:D
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Well since I can't convince you, you might as well ask a higher authority.
Go convince Bill. I bet you he will tell you the same exact thing we're trying to tell you.
A car finish on cue affects the tone of cues. We KNOW THAT. That finish traps some of the soundwaves inside the cue.
Now imagine a line phenolic tube around the center core? What is it doing?
What is it going to do with the sound waves coming from the maple?
INCREASE it like you claimed?
You're saying you're not trying to convince anyone yet you went thru this battle .

Now be honest. Take it to Bill Webb and ask him. He surely knows a lot more than I do.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Well since I can't convince you, you might as well ask a higher authority.
Go convince Bill. I bet you he will tell you the same exact thing we're trying to tell you.
A car finish on cue affects the tone of cues. We KNOW THAT. That finish traps some of the soundwaves inside the cue.
Now imagine a line phenolic tube around the center core? What is it doing?
What is it going to do with the sound waves coming from the maple?
INCREASE it like you claimed?
You're saying you're not trying to convince anyone yet you went thru this battle .

Now be honest. Take it to Bill Webb and ask him. He surely knows a lot more than I do.
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There is no doubt that Bill Webb has far more knowledge than you do, but that is not the point.:) The battle has nothing to do with convincing anyone, it is however, about freedom of thought. Do you think people should think on their own Joey, or do they have to conform to your strict regiment of what is good or bad. Wake up Joey, 90% of the people who have posted to thread can and do comprehend that everything is about choice Joey. People like what people like and people will try what they will, no one should care what some one else thinks.

My question to you is what is part in this this Joey, what are you protecting or should I say who are you supporting. Why is this so important to you Joey?
 
My question to you is what is part in this this Joey, what are you protecting or should I say who are you supporting. Why is this so important to you Joey?
I'm protecting WOOD.
 
JoeyInCali said:
My question to you is what is part in this this Joey, what are you protecting or should I say who are you supporting. Why is this so important to you Joey?
I'm protecting WOOD.
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I am happy for you Joey, but stand in line, Smokey The Bear is way ahead of you Joey!!!!!:grin:
 
dave sutton said:
more nonsense...
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Come on Dave lighten up, there is nothing wrong with adding nothing to a conversation that is go no where. :)

Do you think we should just let this thread die?
 
dave sutton said:
more nonsense...
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Come on Dave lighten up, there is nothing wrong with adding nothing to a conversation that is go no where. :) I have answered many questions throughout this thread, but maybe nonsense is what some people are looking for.

Do you think we should just let this thread die?
 
dave sutton said:
you still havent answered how my integrity is in question. i even posted the definition
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Dave when you make statements like (i hear all this crap about thinking out of the box. its a load of crap. IMO) you should not have to ask that question Dave, it should be clear. I am not the only person who has called you on that statement, in this thread am I Dave.

That statement is what I was talking about when I made that statement to you, and nothing more.

Take Care Dave
 
still no answer and id love to hear who else has anything to say. of course you can take 1 sentence out of an enitre converstaion and twist it however you want it. i was directly talking about your statements in this thread. who says your box is the right box. who says i have no integrity bc i dont agree with you. ONLY YOU. i build my cues in the same traditional style as gus and barry ect. i like my box better then yours. im tired of thIS thread and your too hard headed to even understand so i give up
 
dave sutton said:
from the looks of this post it seems you have a hard time with reading comprehension. i never said he cursed every 3 words. i said hes become the guy that has to curse bc he cant hold a conversation. it was a similie

Similes - comparisons that show how two things that are not alike in most ways are similar in one important way. Similes are a way to describe something. Authors use them to make their writing more interesting or entertaining.

by calling in to question my integrity along with other makers integrity just to make his point look better or bc we didnt agree is not right and has nothing to do with this debate

Integrity is consistency of actions, values, methods, measures and principles

hope this helps...
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Sutton, I don't have a problem with reading comprehension. Apparently you do, and also with integrity since you continue to misrepresent things. Here is a quote from your post 74 . "Now you've become the guy that curses every 3 words because you can't put a legitimate thought together."

Now, Sutton, tell us again that you never said he cursed every three words. Were you making a joke, or are you really this confused? Thanks for explaining what integrity is!
 
dave sutton said:
the original arguement is phenolic doesnt have the same tone as wood. i agreed with joey on that. ive played with phenolic handles cues and they were no good to me. i posted an example. to me a core would be worse. no i havent tried it and do not care to based on my experience.

as i stated before very stiff and dead. great breaker but bad player
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How do you figure that the original argument is phenolic doesn't have the same tone as wood? Perhaps you can point to the post which substantiates this statement. If not, I guess this is just one more example of your apparent confusion, or efforts to mislead the forum.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Craig try not be a smug. Don't thank me sarcastically.

Since you don't believe phenolic does not reasonate as well as wood, then a bigger piece of phenolic tube shouldn't matter.
After all that'd be like saying purpleheart pings better than maple but only if it's 3/4 od and has a 5/8 maple inside.

Vibration is not transmitted outside of the cue. It's transmitted in the center.
Put a soft dowel, you get less vibration even if the outside is hard.

Phenolic cannot accentuate maple's tone b/c phenolic has lower tone.\
Let me know how that's possible. I'm all ears.
p.s.
Have you convinced Bill Webb to contruct his cues with phenolic tube?
When you do, lemme know.
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Joey, where did Manwon say he believes that phenolic resonates as well as wood. Please point to the post, or are you trying to confuse things, or mislead us?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Well since I can't convince you, you might as well ask a higher authority.
Go convince Bill. I bet you he will tell you the same exact thing we're trying to tell you.
A car finish on cue affects the tone of cues. We KNOW THAT. That finish traps some of the soundwaves inside the cue.
Now imagine a line phenolic tube around the center core? What is it doing?
What is it going to do with the sound waves coming from the maple?
INCREASE it like you claimed?
You're saying you're not trying to convince anyone yet you went thru this battle .

Now be honest. Take it to Bill Webb and ask him. He surely knows a lot more than I do.
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Joey, where did Manwon say phenolic will increase the sound waves coming from the maple. Please point to the post, or are you confused or trying top mislead us?
 
I have never seen such deceit as is forthcoming from some of these cuemakers. Sorry, all, if I appear mean-spirited, but I've seen alot of warped cues over the years, and thought Manwon's ideas had some merit. But as I followed this thread, I observed that a certain clique of AZB cuemakers continued to put words in Manwon's mouth, or otherwise malign him. Too bad, because I was hoping for more ideas/interesting information to surface in this thread. So, to discourage more distracting, irrelevant posts, I've been calling BS on the BS'ers, as I perceive them.
 
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shank maybe you should reread the first few pages of this tread. it is mentioned many times

if you dont know what your talking about you should butt in.

just how many cues have you made. can you post some pics. id love to see them
 
dave sutton said:
shank maybe you should reread the first few pages of this tread. it is mentioned many times

if you dont know what your talking about you should butt in.

just how many cues have you made. can you post some pics. id love to see them
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Gee, Sutton, I have reread the first few pages of this thread and still am confused why you believe "the original arguement is phenolic doesnt have the same tone as wood". In fact I can't see where Manwon set out to argue anything - he was just sharing a technique of his. You and others, thru misleading posts such as this, created the argument.

Oh, and I'm sorry if I caused you to believe I make cues. Can you please point out the post where I stated or implied that - or is this just another example of your confusion or effort to mislead/distract the forum?
 
shankster8 said:
Gee, Sutton, I have reread the first few pages of this thread and still am confused why you believe "the original arguement is phenolic doesnt have the same tone as wood". In fact I can't see where Manwon set out to argue anything - he was just sharing a technique of his. You and others, thru misleading posts such as this, created the argument.

Oh, and I'm sorry if I caused you to believe I make cues. Can you please point out the post where I stated or implied that - or is this just another example of your confusion or effort to mislead/distract the forum?
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im about tired of you already. post number three in this thread if the first mention about tone resonance or noise ect and it goes on from there.. NOW GO READ PAGE 1 AND ALL OF PAGE 2. YOU GENUIS

you have no clue sir. ive done my part point out a post of yours about where you know anything PEROID.

STOP WASTING OUT TIME
 
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