Corey soft breaking in 10 ball...

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I wasnt there but the word is that Corey used some sort of soft break for the Seminole tournament in Atlanta. I heard it was about as hard as a one pocket break and he was barely getting the balls to the rail, but was making the one ball in the side every time. He didn't always have an open table after the 2, but was playing safe after the break. He ran through everyone like swiss cheese.

My question is this: If this proves to provide a big advantage or if he perfects it even more and everyone starts using it just like they did when he perfected the soft break in 9 ball, will everyone move to 11-ball?

I for one think its great that he practices and researches the games and gives himself the best chance to win. Others think that you have to break hard to be considered playing the game right. Discuss.
 
I know with 9 ball, 4 balls have to hit the rail on the break. Is it the same for 10 ball?

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
I know with 9 ball, 4 balls have to hit the rail on the break. Is it the same for 10 ball?

Southpaw
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Im not sure. He never fouled as far as I know. I just heard he was hitting them really soft.
 
corvette1340 said:
I for one think its great that he practices and researches the games and gives himself the best chance to win. Others think that you have to break hard to be considered playing the game right. Discuss.
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I agree. Corey is one of my favorite players because hes always doing something outta the norm. Im curious how much the balls spread for him. Do you think any were getting past the side pocket?
 
xianmacx said:
I agree. Corey is one of my favorite players because hes always doing something outta the norm. Im curious how much the balls spread for him. Do you think any were getting past the side pocket?
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maybe someone that was there watching can answer better, but I heard he was leaving a lot of clusters but playing safe after the break and then opening up the table.
 
Waillllllllllllllll, let's jest put it this way.

Corey was making the 1 ball a HIGH percentaqge of the time against Shane in their 10-ball race to 100, and got trounced.

Shane was playing 7and 8 balls after the break, with WIDE open tables. Corey was playing 9 ball, with clusters.

Damn, he can be stubborn. He has a great hard break, but REFUSES to use it in 10 ball. Billy and Grady were lamenting 1/4 of the way thru the race to 100 that Corey was most likely too stubborn to change his break.

Russ
 
corvette1340 said:
maybe someone that was there watching can answer better, but I heard he was leaving a lot of clusters but playing safe after the break and then opening up the table.
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I wasn't there but a little birdie told me that he was using just enough force to make the one in the side and to roll the 2 to the left top corner. The 8,9,10 stayed fairly clustered in the center of the table but he either broke them out on the 6 or 7 or he played safe on them by freezing a ball. I was told it was like taking candy from a baby for most of the tournament.

It seems like Corey is just a little smarter than the average bear.;)
 
I was there for the final match Corey & Nevel.Corey racks the balls in the same order each time.The one ball on top of the rack the two on the bottom left corner.He tried to pocket the one in the side but it was going just long of the side pocket.The two would role to the bottom left corner and the cue ball would role down behind the cluster.The three ball ended up near the top corner pocket.So the objective was make the one in the side cue ball comes down below the cluster to pocket the two in the corner.He wasn't making the one so the cue ball ended up behind the cluster.Nevel had to push or like he did out of frustration jump or kick.At one point during the match Nevel looked at Corey and said "The Soft Break Sucks"....Corey wins the match.
The soft break clearly works for Corey and and most certain frustrates Nevel...And most everyone else....I must say that was most likely themost boring match I've ever watched.
 
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Corey

is just a squirrel looking for the 'nuts'. He knows how big the break is among pro players,and he is just trying to get 'one up' on the other players. Most players do not spend time analyzing their game like Corey does.

You have to give him an 'A' for effort, even if it may not work out all the time.
 
Russ Chewning said:
Waillllllllllllllll, let's jest put it this way.

Corey was making the 1 ball a HIGH percentaqge of the time against Shane in their 10-ball race to 100, and got trounced.

Shane was playing 7and 8 balls after the break, with WIDE open tables. Corey was playing 9 ball, with clusters.

Damn, he can be stubborn. He has a great hard break, but REFUSES to use it in 10 ball. Billy and Grady were lamenting 1/4 of the way thru the race to 100 that Corey was most likely too stubborn to change his break.

Russ
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Actually Corey and Shane were playing a similar break, Shane was hitting them harder. The were playing the second balls in the rack into the side pocket, like an 8ball break. I don't think Corey ever intentionally played the 1 ball in the side pocket during that entire race.
 
NoBull9 said:
I was there for the final match Corey & Nevel.Coreys racks the balls in the same order each time.The one ball on top of the rack the two on the bottom left corner.He tried to pocket the one in the side but it was going just long of the side pocket.The two would roll to the bottom left corner and the cue ball would roll down behind the cluster.The three ball ended up near the top corner pocket.So the objective was make the one in the side cue ball comes down below the cluster to pocket the two in the corner.He wasn't making the one so the cue ball ended up behind the cluster.Nevel had to push or like he did out of frustration jump or kick.At one point during the match Nevel looked at Corey and said "The Soft Break Sucks"....Corey wins the match.
The soft break clearly works for Corey and and most certain frustrates Nevel...And most everyone else....I must say that was most likely themost boring match I've ever watched.
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I would have loved to see Larry getting his ass handed to him by Corey using the soft break.
 
a soft break may work occasionally in ten ball as it apparently did in this case, but i imagine it's very rare where it's more effective than a good hard break. unlike 9-ball where a soft/cut break is probably more effective than a hard break most of the time.
 
Ironic

corvette1340 said:
I wasnt there but the word is that Corey used some sort of soft break for the Seminole tournament in Atlanta. I heard it was about as hard as a one pocket break and he was barely getting the balls to the rail, but was making the one ball in the side every time. He didn't always have an open table after the 2, but was playing safe after the break. He ran through everyone like swiss cheese.

My question is this: If this proves to provide a big advantage or if he perfects it even more and everyone starts using it just like they did when he perfected the soft break in 9 ball, will everyone move to 11-ball?

I for one think its great that he practices and researches the games and gives himself the best chance to win. Others think that you have to break hard to be considered playing the game right. Discuss.
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He is a free thinker in every sense of the word (FREE). He uses an 8 ball break in one pocket and soft breaks in 10 ball. Go figure...... and he manages to win and thats the bottom line.
 
What's the over/under on nobull9 either editing his post or getting slapped from above?

I'm guessing 8 hours.
 
Here is a diagram of what he is doing...

FWIW, he gets more than 4 balls to the rail...

He plays the 1 in the side - while at the same time trying to move the 2 ball out of the rack and to the bottom rail so that it come to rest somewhere in front of the corner pocket -

If he can't do that, he will have the 2 ball go 2 rails towards the center.

As long as he pockets the 1 ball or the back corner ball, AND controls the cue ball, he will have a shot -

even if the one doesn't drop - he will have a shot if he plays the cue ball at the correct speed

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NoBull9 said:
I was there for the final match Corey & Nevel.Coreys racks the balls in the same order each time.
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As far a I know, the rules say that the ball must be racked in "random order"... arranging each ball the same way every time isn't random at all. I've seen Corey run rack after rack the exact same way... every ball in the same pocket, and after the break you couldn't tell one rack from another... they were virtually the same layout every time. Pretty awesome when they have to change the rules of the game because someone gets too good at it.
 
branpureza said:
As far a I know, the rules say that the ball must be racked in "random order"... arranging each ball the same way every time isn't random at all. I've seen Corey run rack after rack the exact same way... every ball in the same pocket, and after the break you couldn't tell one rack from another... they were virtually the same layout every time. Pretty awesome when they have to change the rules of the game because someone gets too good at it.
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Brandon,

The Seminole Tour's racking rules are as follows

When racking, you must put the one ball in front, then the two and the three balls go on each end of the rack, and the ten ball in the middle of the pack.

You must break within the box. It starts inward one diamond from each cornerpocket and up to the second diamond. Four balls must hit a rail, or two balls pocketed. You must contact the one ball first to make a legal break.

That means my diagram is incorrect with the cue ball placement on the break, but this is pretty much what Corey is doing.

He also has a break where he tries the same thing following the cue ball, and usually if he doesn't make anything your trapped behind a 5 balls and can't see the one at all. It sucks - because he has 1000 ways to frustrate you.
 
Blackjack said:
Brandon,

The Seminole Tour's racking rules are as follows

When racking, you must put the one ball in front, then the two and the three balls go on each end of the rack, and the ten ball in the middle of the pack.

You must break within the box. It starts inward one diamond from each cornerpocket and up to the second diamond. Four balls must hit a rail, or two balls pocketed. You must contact the one ball first to make a legal break.

That means my diagram is incorrect with the cue ball placement on the break, but this is pretty much what Corey is doing.

He also has a break where he tries the same thing following the cue ball, and usually if he doesn't make anything your trapped behind a 5 balls and can't see the one at all. It sucks - because he has 1000 ways to frustrate you.
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blackjack,
thanks for that set of rules for the tour. Do you know if other tours or organizations have differing rules as to the placement of the balls? Having played some golf with and getting to know Corey, he is very adament on figuring out the best way to get the same patterns each and every time. He told me that he literally broke thousands and thousands of times figuring out that 9 ball break. Amazing stuff.
 
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