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[1pRoscoe]

Posters with NO CLASS.
You try to trounce Bill's Rep. You and Roscoe are two peas in a pod. You post things that should be asked privately to allow a clairity. You should just say nothing if you have nothing good to say. Nothing posted was helpful to anyone except people that try to goat Mr Bill.
I am no genius. 3 points short of it at 15. But I know bumbs when I read thier words.
I have a feeling many Azers are wondering as I am.
Please post pics of your cues you two. I think it may explain alot. Alot of time on your hands and no money to put where your mouth is!
As I said Bill is great. Roscoe and pharoe not. But on inside pool mag well you two are comical you know a big joke.
Well what you have done here is not funny and many of us are not laughing.
Bill, you were very right when you told me about these nuts. How do you know these things before they happen? Is it history repeating itself.
Or classless bumbs pretending to know too much and just showing publicly they really are clueless when it comes to respect.
Nick

Sorry, been a busy day and I haven't had a chance to post here quite as often as you, Nick....

Glad to hear that you think I'm a big joke - honestly, I don't care what you think.... Neither do the greater majority of the pool world... I don't claim to be the expert that you do. I think you need to open your ears to what people think about you before you start casting stones.... Glass houses, Nick... Glass houses....

-Ross
still thinks Nick is a clown...

 

[Tommyd1]

If you scoot up a little bit...you might make 69

My last comment on this stupid thread.

I'm no expert on cues as I'm sure most of these readers of this forum are.

I do know that both Bill and Nick are honarable gentleman that only want be part of this community ( and most of us do feel this is a family ) that both of these people do what they can to help out their fellow enthusiast.

Bill sells enough cues through honest dealings that he would never have to stoop to anything dishonest to sell a cue. Why would he misrepresent something ????

I've read something about Bill and his involvement with people in other countries, how many of us give back to the world community, geez..........that sure make him a jerk...... eh??

Fellow AZ'ers, think about what you read here. Think about what you read and who writes it.

Always check out a writers profile !

One of our members just posted a cue in our Gallery Section, he was getting lots of positive comments that I'm sure he appreciated. He's very proud of this cue and he should be, it's beautiful.

One person made a negative comment. Guess who?

Anyhow, I have enjoyed this forum for many a night. I truly appreciate all the different post and learn something from each one.

Have made many friends here, they all know who they are.

This is the best web site with the best people ! Everyone has their opinions.

God Bless...and keep the ball's rollin !!!

Tommyd1

 

[bish4201]

My last comment on this stupid thread.

I'm no expert on cues as I'm sure most of these readers of this forum are.

I do know that both Bill and Nick are honarable gentleman that only want be part of this community ( and most of us do feel this is a family ) that both of these people do what they can to help out their fellow enthusiast.

Bill sells enough cues through honest dealings that he would never have to stoop to anything dishonest to sell a cue. Why would he misrepresent something ????

I've read something about Bill and his involvement with people in other countries, how many of us give back to the world community, geez..........that sure make him a jerk...... eh??
Fellow AZ'ers, think about what you read here. Think about what you read and who writes it.

Always check out a writers profile !

One of our members just posted a cue in our Gallery Section, he was getting lots of positive comments that I'm sure he appreciated. He's very proud of this cue and he should be, it's beautiful.

One person made a negative comment. Guess who?

Anyhow, I have enjoyed this forum for many a night. I truly appreciate all the different post and learn something from each one.

Have made many friends here, they all know who they are.

This is the best web site with the best people ! Everyone has their opinions.

God Bless...and keep the ball's rollin !!!

Tommyd1

Could not agree more. We also seem to forget that someday we will all answer for our mistakes we made!!! we will not get the escape goat that states... Well but but but he did this to me or she said this, so I I I I I.. In the end we are all responsible for our own actions regardless of what another did to us. God is not going pardon us because this person said this or that. He will look at you and shake your bones and clearly state.... I asked you what you have done and how you have treated others. Not what somebody else did. I believe strongly that Bill is a great man at heart. Man being the key word. He is human as all of us. Life is a glass house and we all must be very careful before we cast a stone!!!!!!!!

 

[SSach]

Question for Bill

After being told two different stories why was (and if he was, why was this not posted) Pete Tascarella not contacted? I would be happy knowing that the shaft was prodcued at Tascarella's shop. It is not like he is a 2nd rate cuemaker...

Either way, I personally think the reason behind the post and the resolution should have been handled privately.

Happy Holidays all...and smooth cue dealings

 

[Charlie Edwards]

I don't see anything wrong with Brian starting this thread. Bringing out the fact one of the shafts wasn't built by a Szamboti is a VERY important issue. For me it would be a deal breaker... but that's just me. At lease now the new buyer knows exactly what he is getting. Without this thread, he wouldn't have known. JMO, of course.

 

[pharaoh68]

God is not going pardon us because this person said this or that. He will look at you and shake your bones and clearly state.... I asked you what you have done and how you have treated others. Not what somebody else did. I believe strongly that Bill is a great man at heart.

First, you must remember that you are now switching this to a topic of faith and religious belief. Big mistake!!! Not everyone here feels the same as you. Not everyone believes in God and thinks that they will meet St. Peter at the gates of some divine eutopian afterlife. If you feel that way, more power to you! I'm not knocking it! Just remember, that these are beliefs that apply to THE INDIVIDUAL and NOT the entire community.

But again, I do NOT want to make this about faith.

Should the day arise when I am met by the man upstairs and he asks me what I have done and how I have treated others I will feel confident as I look your god in the eye and say:

I was one hundred percent honest with how I felt. All the time. I never lied to or misled people. If feelings were hurt, c'est la vie (that's life)! But I never comprimised myself! I was true to myself from the beginning. If others didn't like it, they had the option to turn and walk.

Take it easy Bish.

 

[pharaoh68]

I'm no expert on cues as I'm sure most of these readers of this forum are.

Never claimed to be. Bill, on the other hand, does claim to be. So, in this situation, I thought it best to ask the so called 'expert' why his information was incorrect. It certainly made him look suspect to me.

I do know that both Bill and Nick are honarable gentleman that only want be part of this community ( and most of us do feel this is a family ) that both of these people do what they can to help out their fellow enthusiast.

I can't speak for Bill. I've had very limited interaction with him. Every post I've read of Nick's is pretty ridiculous though. And yeah. You're right. Most of us feel like this is a community. I've been here for several years and better than 2,500 posts with max rep. points. I've been here long enough to see some of the best come and go, either on their own accord or because they were shown the door by the mods at a time when the iron fist was both strong and heavy.

Bill sells enough cues through honest dealings that he would never have to stoop to anything dishonest to sell a cue. Why would he misrepresent something ????

I don;t know why he would misrepresent something! That's why I asked! But in any event, it looks a little suspicious when someone advertises something as something that it is NOT.

I've read something about Bill and his involvement with people in other countries, how many of us give back to the world community, geez..........that sure make him a jerk...... eh??

Not at all. But if that true spirit of giving back to the world came from within, why tout it to everyone? why not give just for the sake of giving?

One of our members just posted a cue in our Gallery Section, he was getting lots of positive comments that I'm sure he appreciated. He's very proud of this cue and he should be, it's beautiful.

One person made a negative comment. Guess who?

It wasn't a negative comment. I simply said that the cue (made by one maker) looked an awful lot like a design by another maker... right down to the ringwork. And shockingly, about 6 other people agreed with me!!!

I then simply said that it was a little TOO reminicent of that other maker for my tastes. HWOEVER, new info has come to light and I have ammended that comment. Do your homework Tommy.

Have made many friends here, they all know who they are.

Me too buddy. As much as you think everyone on here may hate me and that I'm public enemy number one, you'd be surprised at the number of friends I've made here. And you might even be shocked at how respected some of those people are within the community.

This is the best web site with the best people ! Everyone has their opinions.

If you acknowledge that everyone has their opinions, why am I the ass-hole for sharing mine???

 

[Tim]

Which one is the buyer?

 

[bish4201]

First, you must remember that you are now switching this to a topic of faith and religious belief. Big mistake!!! Not everyone here feels the same as you. Not everyone believes in God and thinks that they will meet St. Peter at the gates of some divine eutopian afterlife. If you feel that way, more power to you! I'm not knocking it! Just remember, that these are beliefs that apply to THE INDIVIDUAL and NOT the entire community.

But again, I do NOT want to make this about faith.

Should the day arise when I am met by the man upstairs and he asks me what I have done and how I have treated others I will feel confident as I look your god in the eye and say:

I was one hundred percent honest with how I felt. All the time. I never lied to or misled people. If feelings were hurt, c'est la vie (that's life)! But I never comprimised myself! I was true to myself from the beginning. If others didn't like it, they had the option to turn and walk.

Take it easy Bish.

I knew when I posted this that not everybody feels the same way. Again, It was not intended to be directed to you. You have every right to make your opinion and carrie faith your way. No biggy!! Some times us holy rollers get excited! LOLOL Merry Christmas to all!!! You to Pharo....

 

[BrooklynJay]

a shaft made by barry or a shaft made by pete...which one would you think would make this cue sell for more?

i'm glad he found a buyer but i see nothing wrong with bringing to light a "known" error in the description of this cue which is for sale for a lot of money. many people have done it with several people's ebay listings.

 

[cornerstone]

a shaft made by barry or a shaft made by pete...which one would you think would make this cue sell for more?

i'm glad he found a buyer but i see nothing wrong with bringing to light a "known" error in the description of this cue which is for sale for a lot of money. many people have done it with several people's ebay listings.

as of now we will be changing the listing as one orig shaft . and sold that is how the buyer bought it as! we had 2 people saying one thing and 2 others stating another. so we can chalk it up to experiance and still sold it as a gus with one original shaft! I hope this helps all who are involved in these postings and if i would have been contacted personally by any one, i would have looked into it sooner , but it was never brought to my attention until this thread. and i have had no reason to doubt the people involved! so thank you to all who posted! regards Bill

 

[Bishop]

I personally hate Pharaoh, dude disgusts me and quite frankly I think he's wrong 80% of the time. I'll side with him on this though and its no disrespect to Cornerstone because I believe he's hugely vauable to the industry.

Its a public forum and appropriately in the cue section and Pharaoh is totally within his right to bring up and question something that doesn't mesh well. There is absolutely zero wrong with pointing this out publically, he never once flamed or hurled insults in his initial questioning. If its a none issue Cornerstone had time to address it and sorta did. He never called him a liar he never called him a scammer, he pointed out something that didn't jive and asked for clarification.

There is no reason to expect his question to be put in a PM. Cornerstone does or attempts to do good honest business and a thread like this gives him the opportunity to clarify something thats in question, if anything it gives him the chance to show what a stand up business man he is. We are talking about a 20,000 dollar cue here, not a five dollar baseball card.

You crybabies are crying for no reason here. Keep making things like this public so we can all learn and grow and continue to educate ourselves within this industry. Thats what a public forum is for, this is what us as comsumers should be doing in a forum. Educating and protecting our purchases is a staple for any good forum.

 

[ribdoner]

INTENT is the key and, IMHO, there was NO intent to mis-represent this cue.

Errors were made, corrective action was taken and lessons have been learned.

 

[pharaoh68]

I personally hate Pharaoh, dude disgusts me and quite frankly I think he's wrong 80% of the time.

Only 80%??? What about the other 20%?

And c'mon Bishop. Can you really say you HATE me? You've never even met me!!! I can be quite loveable at times! I've got that boyish charm that would make your knees buckle!

 

[cornerstone]

INTENT is the key and, IMHO, there was NO intent to mis-represent this cue.

Errors were made, corrective action was taken and lessons have been learned.

I just contacted pete he does not rember the cue but If i will send it to him he will tell me yes he made the shaft or no i didnt. AND also got off the phone with the collector don and he said it was such a long time ago that he thought that classic cues sold it to him as one gus and one barry. and martyne at chalkers said that she thought it was one gus and one barry. so idont know all i can do is say one orig shaft , the cue is not in question just my integrety from people so i have went ot all lengths to straighten thing out and all i catch is flack ! best regards

 

[pharaoh68]

I just contacted pete he does not rember the cue but If i will send it to him he will tell me yes he made the shaft or no i didnt. AND also got off the phone with the collector don and he said it was such a long time ago that he thought that classic cues sold it to him as one gus and one barry. and martyne at chalkers said that she thought it was one gus and one barry. so idont know all i can do is say one orig shaft , the cue is not in question just my integrety from people so i have went ot all lengths to straighten thing out and all i catch is flack ! best regards

Bill-
I'm sorry if you feel that your integrity was questioned. But you must remember, as stated by another poster, this was no $400-$500 cue. This is $20,000 here and, a highly collectible piece of history. When selling something like that, the buyer has a right to know ALL of the facts.

Now, in this case, the facts appear to have been misrepresented, whether intentionally or not. Regardless, the facts were not adding up. One person sells a cue as one thing. Another sells it as something else. Perhaps you were deceived. Perhaps the info was just wrong. But regardless YOU are the one selling it now and thus, you have an obligation to the buyer to provide ALL THE FACT.

The point of this thread was not solely to question your integrity. It was to bring to light some differences in description of the same product. If, in turn, you felt your integrity was attacked, well with all due respect, so what? It wasn't as if you showed me or anyone else here any respect when you've made comments about how your opinion trumps others because of the amount of money you spend. Comments like that don't make friends Bill, and they often come with repercussions. Essentially, when you say something like that, you are saying that your opinion is worth more than everyone else's here. So why should I respect that?

Regardless, I'm glad you found a potential buyer for your cue.

Have a good one.

-B

 

[dave sutton]

INTENT is the key and, IMHO, there was NO intent to mis-represent this cue.

Errors were made, corrective action was taken and lessons have been learned.

WELL SAID.

i dont think bill misrep'd the cue on purpose. just got some bad info. he didnt fight or argue. he stated what was told to him (with a witness) and said hed find out. doesnt seem dishonest to me.

why lie? just too easy to get caught. esp with other members being former owners of this cue.

listen i like all involved in BASHFEST 2007.

why do it? doesnt solve anything.

why bash nick. anyone that talks to nick for 2 mins knows hes a good guy.

why do ppl always bring bills religious beliefs into this. thats just non-sense.

i dont blame pharoh for bringing it up. 20,000 is alot. a little more tact could have been used but its the internet and most things are misunderstood (not misrep'd).

it happens to me all the time...

 

[WalkerInTN]

Wow, what a disapointing thread. It's pretty obvious to me that this isn't about clearing up anything with this cue, but just an opportunity for Pharaoh68 to try to make Bill look bad.

6 pages later, it didn't work. Seems pretty clear that Bill was not trying to misrepresent this cue.

After reading this thread, I'd still buy cues from Bill in a second!

But the list of people here at AZ that I will buy from keeps getting smaller by the day. And topics like this one just keep making me lose interest in hanging out here.

 

[pharaoh68]

Wow, what a disapointing thread. It's pretty obvious to me that this isn't about clearing up anything with this cue, but just an opportunity for Pharaoh68 to try to make Bill look bad.

6 pages later, it didn't work. Seems pretty clear that Bill was not trying to misrepresent this cue.

After reading this thread, I'd still buy cues from Bill in a second!

But the list of people here at AZ that I will buy from keeps getting smaller by the day. And topics like this one just keep making me lose interest in hanging out here.

Hey there Walker Texas Ranger-

Glad to hear/read your $.02. And ya know what? I will give you some credit. You are HALF right. I wasn't just merely trying to clear up an issue with a certain cue. That was only HALF my intention.

The other half was to illustrate that for a guy that so many of you think is such an honest a reputable businessman, well, why think that? Clearly he makes his mistakes just like everyone else. Does that make him a bad person? No. Does itmake him a bad salesman? No.

HOWEVER, when you buy a junker off a used car lot, you can expect that you may not be finding out everything there is to know about that car. But when buying a classic, one of a kind collectible, don't you think its the seller/dealer's obligation to know and to provide 100% ACCURATE information? And if he does not, why should those who may know better sit beside in silence and watch as others make a mistake in buying something that isn't quite as represented???

I suppose your primary gripe with me is the same as many others: not so much the subject matter that was brought to light but the way in which it was handled. Correct?

Well, again. All I can say is this. Bill has made some questionable comments in the past that lead me to believe that he may NOT be worth the respect that so many of you give him and so many of you claim he desrves. So why should I give him that respect when he shows little in return???

If you have a problem with me sticking my nose in where it wasn't needed, well, that's kinda what you're doing here isn't it?!

Oh, and to whomever asked why it was necessary to bring Bill's religious beliefs into so many discussions, its primariyly because HE does it first. Look underneath his damn avatar! He loves to tout that he's a man of God.

bottom line is, Bill misrepresented something that was for sale on his site. Whether he meant to or not, he is accountable for that sale. Thus, he was called on it. If he (or any of you) didn't like the manner in which it was done, well, that's life. But the issue has been (somewhat) resolved. Bill found a buyer. Congrats Bill! Job well done.

-B

 

[Bishop]

Yeah I guess I don't hate you. More like strongly dislike.

This thread has real world merit though, you people need to pull your heads out and realize that it was a good thing this was brought up. The last thing you guys want is for the next guy who notices something not adding up to keep his mouth shut because he doesn't want to fall under the attack of the forum. Then someone ends up buying something that wasn't what they thought and it all could have been avoided.

I'll give you an equal example http://www.justmusclecars.com/ look here at this Camaro for 21,900 that says SS. Its in the top right corner, the orange one. Notice how it says SS trim when you click on the picture for the discription. Lets say this car was traded in under the assumption of it being a real SS and resold under the same assumption but its really nothing more than a clone. I'd appreciate someone to point that out to me before I made a misrepresented purchase whether is was intentially misrepresented or not.