Could a B player run 100 balls on the world record table?

ahhh if only a more tolerant table with wider pockets could correct my cue ball control mistakes on the break ball , if only it could prevent my cue ball to scratch after the break, and if only it could provide me each time at least one easy shot after the break !

During all the past years, i believed than the most important things to break my personnal record are efforts, serious practice, training & to learn the game & to learn how to correct my stance/shot/aiming/choices mistakes , when it's possible, with help from certified instructors & -proved- Master level players ...

Now , by reading this forum , reading the posts written by so many pool experts , i'm happy to discover than wider pockets can improve drastically my playing level without efforts . That's an awesome news !!
Could some experts post about piano skills, please ? Please , since I would love to be able to play Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea's solos ... may be by playing on a Rhodes mark 1 ? :-D
 
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I know a few B players that have 100 ball runs, I know one with run of 132.
Many rooms in my region (Northeast) have handicapped straight pool leagues with higher rated players (A-A+) Some rooms have, or had, world champs in their league.
Playing above your class in the company of better players in any league rubs off on you.
You are the company you keep.

Nine ball players with a B rating have a better chance at hitting the sun with a snowball.
I wish them all good luck, keep playing straight pool, you will become better at all games.
A blind squirrel finding a nut is a good thing, because now you know you can do it.

It's straight pool , 14.1 is what my charging system reads in my truck.
 
Tin Man said:
But on my table, with fair but stern pockets, broken in cloth, triangle rack, normal pool hall balls, etc, it just doesn't work the same. I have to be realistic. I don't know exactly, but I'd expect that a run of 100 on my table would equate to a run of 150 on the softer table.

I just wish we could agree on both points without thinking acknowledging the impact of soft equipment equates to hating on John or Jayson. Now for those people who do minimize these accomplishments, that's different! Open fire on those guys!
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I would respectfully suggest that 100 ball run on your table would equate to a 200 ball run on a soft table. Additionally, one thing I don't see a lot of people talking about is the mental toll one might have on a tight vs. soft table. It is not just that pocketing is easier, or that pockets are easier to cheat (although both are true and make a difference) it is also that because of these facts a player is generally less stressed mentally. This makes a difference, especially over the course of a big run.

I have seen champion level players at the DCC break a rack wide open and run 7. A regular Diamond plays tough enough that straight pool runs are negatively changed in a real way for all players. This is why, in my view, straight pool is meant to be played on larger pockets, the game is about running balls. I was at the major Straight Pool event in NYC in 2000. I think those pockets were 5 inches. They were at least "generous", if not 5 inches. No one was really bemoaning the miserably soft conditions or cheapening the title for the winner. I feel like "pocket snobs" are more of a modern thing. I am not sure where it started, but I have a strong distaste for it.

John Schmidt had a comment on pocket size that I think has a lot of truth to it, on some you tube thing he said that if "you think the pocket's of your table are too big, then you're not betting enough." If I ever get close to running a 100 balls, it will probably be on a table with generous pockets and if that happens and the pockets are 6 inches big, when I get down to shoot ball 100, I think that pocket size will feel microscopic.

Having John's runs and Jayson's runs take place on tables with "big" pockets is not offensive to me at all. I agree with you 100% that both John's run and Jayson's run are human achievements of the first order.

kollegedave
 
I doubt most B players could simply do a wide open break of the balls and run 14 of them 51 times in a row without missing one. It is a heroic achievement.
 
kollegedave said:
I would respectfully suggest that 100 ball run on your table would equate to a 200 ball run on a soft table. Additionally, one thing I don't see a lot of people talking about is the mental toll one might have on a tight vs. soft table. It is not just that pocketing is easier, or that pockets are easier to cheat (although both are true and make a difference) it is also that because of these facts a player is generally less stressed mentally. This makes a difference, especially over the course of a big run.

I have seen champion level players at the DCC break a rack wide open and run 7. A regular Diamond plays tough enough that straight pool runs are negatively changed in a real way for all players. This is why, in my view, straight pool is meant to be played on larger pockets, the game is about running balls. I was at the major Straight Pool event in NYC in 2000. I think those pockets were 5 inches. They were at least "generous", if not 5 inches. No one was really bemoaning the miserably soft conditions or cheapening the title for the winner. I feel like "pocket snobs" are more of a modern thing. I am not sure where it started, but I have a strong distaste for it.

John Schmidt had a comment on pocket size that I think has a lot of truth to it, on some you tube thing he said that if "you think the pocket's of your table are too big, then you're not betting enough." If I ever get close to running a 100 balls, it will probably be on a table with generous pockets and if that happens and the pockets are 6 inches big, when I get down to shoot ball 100, I think that pocket size will feel microscopic.

Having John's runs and Jayson's runs take place on tables with "big" pockets is not offensive to me at all. I agree with you 100% that both John's run and Jayson's run are human achievements of the first order.

kollegedave
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Hey Dave! I actually did list the less mental fatigue under my summary of 'how bigger pockets make the game easier'. You'll see that post of mine on page 2 or 3. The one thing I forgot to add was confidence. Bigger pockets lead to more confident swings.

Also, I started a new thread you can check out. It started to be a response to your comment about 'pocket snobs', then I got carried away as usual. I felt it was a different topic than our original post and created a new thread. Interested to hear your thoughts!
 
Tin Man said:
Hey Dave! I actually did list the less mental fatigue under my summary of 'how bigger pockets make the game easier'. You'll see that post of mine on page 2 or 3. The one thing I forgot to add was confidence. Bigger pockets lead to more confident swings.

Also, I started a new thread you can check out. It started to be a response to your comment about 'pocket snobs', then I got carried away as usual. I felt it was a different topic than our original post and created a new thread. Interested to hear your thoughts!
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Sorry bud, you had so many good points, it is hard to remember them all. My post started with the idea that I think you undervalue the runs on your table and then I got carried away. We agree though, both John's run and Jayson's are worthy of high praise.

I guess I also meant to write (but didn't) that while pocket size helps ease mental fatigue, if ever there was a player that already seemed mentally "unburdened" when he shot, in my mind, it is Jayson Shaw, and then add to that big pockets, well that is a recipe for a high run. I think Jayson's mental approach in particular made him super dangerous on these big pocket tables.

I don't think people should read this comment as a detraction on his run. Rather, I think we should all consider trying to learn from him. The guy was approaching the record and yelling into the camera. If I were approaching this record, the pockets would have to be 12 inches and someone would have to be mainlining alcohol into me...and then...maybe I wouldn't dog it.

kollegedave
 
The real question is would anyone want to watch a B player try to run 100? I mean other than their sign. other or maybe their dog.
 
kollegedave said:
I guess I also meant to write (but didn't) that while pocket size helps ease mental fatigue, if ever there was a player that already seemed mentally "unburdened" when he shot, in my mind, it is Jayson Shaw, and then add to that big pockets, well that is a recipe for a high run. I think Jayson's mental approach in particular made him super dangerous on these big pocket tables.

I don't think people should read this comment as a detraction on his run. Rather, I think we should all consider trying to learn from him. The guy was approaching the record and yelling into the camera. If I were approaching this record, the pockets would have to be 12 inches and someone would have to be mainlining alcohol into me...and then...maybe I wouldn't dog it.

kollegedave
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Agreed. I’ve tried to play 14.1 for 50+ years. I can honestly say I learned more in observing Jayson’s numerous attempts over his final 2 sessions as far as how to go about trying to run 14.1 racks, setting up the ideal break ball and executing the break shots than I have ever learned in the last 30 years of watching various YouTube and Accustats 14.1 matches.

Somehow I still don’t think it’s likely to help me, but it’s at least exciting to think it might!
 
SmoothStroke said:
I know a few B players that have 100 ball runs, I know one with run of 132.
Many rooms in my region (Northeast) have handicapped straight pool leagues with higher rated players (A-A+) Some rooms have, or had, world champs in their league.
Playing above your class in the company of better players in any league rubs off on you.
You are the company you keep.

Nine ball players with a B rating have a better chance at hitting the sun with a snowball.
I wish them all good luck, keep playing straight pool, you will become better at all games.
A blind squirrel finding a nut is a good thing, because now you know you can do it.

It's straight pool , 14.1 is what my charging system reads in my truck.
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Fairy takes can come true,it can happen to you, if you’re young at heart.
Sinatra sang that & your post reflects it…..a 100 ball run is not a B player.

Either the rating is wrong to start with or you’re likely singing Sinatra’s tune.
B players aren’t capable of running 7 racks & if they can, they’re not really B.

Talking the walk is so easy but walking the talk is entirely different. That’s just life.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Fairy takes can come true,it can happen to you, if you’re young at heart.
Sinatra sang that & your post reflects it…..a 100 ball run is not a B player.

Either the rating is wrong to start with or you’re likely singing Sinatra’s tune.
B players aren’t capable of running 7 racks & if they can, they’re not really B.

Talking the walk is so easy but walking the talk is entirely different. That’s just life.
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Agreed. If I meet a guy who has run 100 balls, he immediately becomes an A- player at least!
 
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Icon of Sin said:
Gonna give a Youtube shoutout here, which I normally don't do. Lil' Chris on youtube is rated a fargo 640-ish, so "A" player. He has been trying to run 100 balls on video for a little while now with live streams and stuff like that and has been pretty entertaining. After a ton of attempts, his high run is 37. This is on a diamond mind you, but an 8 foot one.

That shit is not easy.
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It's not easy, but a 640 Fargo should be good for 50-100 on the 8 or 9 footer (no problem). I can only assume he does not play straight pool often.

50 balls is very achievable...
 
Icon of Sin said:
Gonna give a Youtube shoutout here, which I normally don't do. Lil' Chris on youtube is rated a fargo 640-ish, so "A" player. He has been trying to run 100 balls on video for a little while now with live streams and stuff like that and has been pretty entertaining. After a ton of attempts, his high run is 37. This is on a diamond mind you, but an 8 foot one.

That shit is not easy.
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With all respect to lil chris I've watched him enough to know he plays at about my level and is not an A player. He is a B+.
 
erriep said:
ahhh if only a more tolerant table with wider pockets could correct my cue ball control mistakes on the break ball , if only it could prevent my cue ball to scratch after the break, and if only it could provide me each time at least one easy shot after the break !

During all the past years, i believed than the most important things to break my personnal record are efforts, serious practice, training & to learn the game & to learn how to correct my stance/shot/aiming/choices mistakes , when it's possible, with help from certified instructors & -proved- Master level players ...

Now , by reading this forum , reading the posts written by so many pool experts , i'm happy to discover than wider pockets can improve drastically my playing level without efforts . That's an awesome news !!
Could some experts post about piano skills, please ? Please , since I would love to be able to play Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea's solos ... may be by playing on a Rhodes mark 1 ? :-D
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So what size pockets are you playing on? I recommend playing straight pool with sub 4.5" corner and sub 5" side pockets then come back and talk about it more... They specifically cut the angles really easy on the world record table so anything that makes it into the mouth falls. Along with the new fast cloth, the table in vegas where there is zero humidity, and the template rack.... Those people who are comparing it to what is normally played on and saying it wouldn't significantly affect the high run of an advanced amateur are crazy... And as already said the size of the pockets is just as much about the cheating ability as pocketing the balls.

5.5"+ side pockets totally change the game. So many shot options just open up that simply aren't available on a normal table. And especally if the angles into those side pockets are such that anything that touches the facing falls at any speed. You also don't need to land on the correct angle into the side pockets anymore just close to it because they can be cheated so much.

The 5.5" side pockets at the bowling alley I play a weekly 9-ball tournament at totally change the game especally for the C players who can use patterns that are easier for them (but a higher ranked player would never take regardless of the pocket size because they are bad patterns that require too much precision) because it minimizes cue ball movement that simply are not feasible on a normal table.
 
pw98 said:
I have to say I think yes... Lol. This world record stuff is a joke with concocted conditions. Its like lets try to set the record for the lowest round in golf by making the easiest golf course
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The record for lowest confirmed score for 18 holes is 55. It wasn’t on the easiest course setup imaginable.
 
kanzzo said:
impressive performance :)

I am trying to get to a level to be able to run 100s for 22 years now. 🙈

I think I am still learning and improving and could be able to get closer to my goal this year. Incorporated a lot from Jayson last few days (steep angles and blasting the break shot like the ball owes me money 😅)

Works better when I would have expected. (I am recording all my training session on video so I have some proof if I happen to run 100 - will post my progress runs in the AZ Billiards Straight Pool Challenge.)
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Thank you! With as much humility as possible, I was disappointed it took me so long. Obviously I wasn’t going at it night and day, but I expected to hit 100 within 6 months, at the latest, 12 months.

But this comes from a guy who played snooker for a long time, and lived with one of the best English billiards players in the world, so I set pretty high standards for myself. Even though I’d kind of taken a 7 year break from consistent playing, my fundamentals were still solid, and moving around the pack in straight pool felt very similar to moving around the pink and black spots on a snooker table. There are quite a few traps in straight pool that mirror traps on a snooker table (think nudging balls, playing ‘short side’ position to avoid having to move another ball (in snooker its usually to avoid having to pot a ball down the rail), etc).

I think Ronnie would be a ridiculously good straight pool player. His cuesports IQ is insanely high. The speed with which he sees problems and solves them is astounding. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen him come to a table that looks impossible and within two shots make the clearance seem inevitable (I saw Jayson do this numerous times in his Legends streams). And his speed of play matches his thinking. However, I’m not sure he’d pick up his cue after missing on 300. I suspect he’d put on his runners and go for a jog.
 
Shuddy said:
With as much humility as possible, I was disappointed it took me so long.
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I am trying to run 100 for over 20 years now. I am a little dissappointed, it's taking me so long 🙈

I think we can safely say that running 100s is a tough thing to do :D
 
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