Could a B player run 100 balls on the world record table?

When B players do a100 ball run at 14.1 Not 80....

....the guys/gals... have put in their time, they've finally jumped a whole ball or two quickly.

It does happen.
 
jay helfert said:
I would disagree with you here. Slow cloth and heavy balls that were hard to break apart. Most of the top players from the 60's (Crane, Caras, Balsis) would only break off one corner (or the top) of the rack and work from there, breaking off sections at a time. They played a controlled break shot. It was rare to see a player just fire his break shot into the pack and try to break them wide open. Mosconi was one of the few that I saw do that in his exhibitions. He would make the cue ball churn through the rack. Later on Mizerak perfected the power break and became the best 14.1 player of his era.
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Genuine question: Was the cloth actually slow ‘back in the day’? I read a quote somewhere from someone ‘back in the day’ that said something along the lines of the cloth not actually being that slow. I’ve also seen a few videos old enough to be in black and white and the cloth didn’t look that slow. Obviously, I know nothing about the conditions in those videos, and I have no first hand experience of those times.

Genuinely curious.

EDIT: To be clear, conditions in the modern game are clearly much improved in all regards, of that I have no doubts, including cloth speed.
 
Shuddy said:
Genuine question: Was the cloth actually slow ‘back in the day’? I read a quote somewhere from someone ‘back in the day’ that said something along the lines of the cloth not actually being that slow. I’ve also seen a few videos old enough to be in black and white and the cloth didn’t look that slow. Obviously, I know nothing about the conditions in those videos, and I have no first hand experience of those times.

Genuinely curious.
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definitley Shuddy. nowadays cloth are just better because of better manufacturing methods- i think the last "thicker" cloth i played was in the 80 s - the "Mali" Cloth. If brushed daily- cleaned daily it was fine to play on it......but as soon it got older, and with high humidity.....it was a pain in the ass :-)
 
Ratta said:
definitley Shuddy. nowadays cloth are just better because of better manufacturing methods- i think the last "thicker" cloth i played was in the 80 s - the "Mali" Cloth. If brushed daily- cleaned daily it was fine to play on it......but as soon it got older, and with high humidity.....it was a pain in the ass :)
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I only started playing US pool recently, so most of my experience with cloth variations is from snooker. I always dreaded playing at clubs that chose Strachan 32oz for durability. Always felt like I needed a baseball bat when going into the pack. Not pleasant.
 
Shuddy said:
I only started playing US pool recently, so most of my experience with cloth variations is from snooker. I always dreaded playing at clubs that chose Strachan 32oz for durability. Always felt like I needed a baseball bat when going into the pack. Not pleasant.
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i hear ya, lol!


I remember VERY VERY well...but the opposite ^^ , when my buddy put new cloth on his tables in his pool hall in the middle of 80 s- and put an carom artistique cloth on them..... - MAN that was funny, rofl. You just had to touch the rack and it was wide open, lol!. But it was really so f...ing fast, that it was just for one time :-) after that he put on normal simonis cloth again :-)
 
Shuddy said:
Genuine question: Was the cloth actually slow ‘back in the day’? I read a quote somewhere from someone ‘back in the day’ that said something along the lines of the cloth not actually being that slow. I’ve also seen a few videos old enough to be in black and white and the cloth didn’t look that slow. Obviously, I know nothing about the conditions in those videos, and I have no first hand experience of those times.

Genuinely curious.

EDIT: To be clear, conditions in the modern game are clearly much improved in all regards, of that I have no doubts, including cloth speed.
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YES! The old Stevens cloth was thicker with a different weave. Something like 75% wool and 25% cotton. I'm no cloth expert but I do remember being told it was a 75-25 weave. Now when the cloth got old and threadbare it was real thin and it did play faster, a lot faster!
 
jay helfert said:
YES! The old Stevens cloth was thicker with a different weave. Something like 75% wool and 25% cotton. I'm no cloth expert but I do remember being told it was a 75-25 weave. Now when the cloth got old and threadbare it was real thin and it did play faster, a lot faster!
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Right, thank you 🙏 When I saw those old vids, it did occur to me that it was probably very worn down.
 
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jay helfert said:
YES! The old Stevens cloth was thicker with a different weave. Something like 75% wool and 25% cotton. I'm no cloth expert but I do remember being told it was a 75-25 weave. Now when the cloth got old and threadbare it was real thin and it did play faster, a lot faster!
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Correct!!!
 
I hope all of you understand, but I doubt you do, but is a B player in 9B the same as a B player in 8B and if neither have the experience of playing 14.1 do they still rate as a B player against a B player that only plays 14.1 and understands the game?

As far as high runs go, don't let yourself be fooled by a 100 ball run, playing 14.1 is only played 14 points at a time, then successfully repeating the 14 balls again and again. And, as far as that goes, an 8B player has a better chance at 14.1 than a 9B player does because pattern play and back up balls to chance the pattern play is more practiced playing 8B and is non-existent playing 9B.
 
realkingcobra said:
I hope all of you understand, but I doubt you do, but is a B player in 9B the same as a B player in 8B and if neither have the experience of playing 14.1 do they still rate as a B player against a B player that only plays 14.1 and understands the game?

As far as high runs go, don't let yourself be fooled by a 100 ball run, playing 14.1 is only played 14 points at a time, then successfully repeating the 14 balls again and again. And, as far as that goes, an 8B player has a better chance at 14.1 than a 9B player does because pattern play and back up balls to chance the pattern play is more practiced playing 8B and is non-existent playing 9B.
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There is no such thing as a B player that is a B in 8 ball, and not in 9 ball. The reason is no one past D level prefers 8 ball over 9 ball. Only the league players play 8 ball exclusively, and almost none of them even get to a B level (unless they go to real pool halls and play 9 ball with the top players).
 
Even Jayson said in his interview he stopped paying attention to the high run score, and didn't even want to know what it was most of the time, and started realizing he was more able to run the racks when he just paid attention to the 14 balls in the rack, and ending up with a good break shot so he could keep repeating making the 14 balls!!
 
iusedtoberich said:
There is no such thing as a B player that is a B in 8 ball, and not in 9 ball. The reason is no one past D level prefers 8 ball over 9 ball. Only the league players play 8 ball exclusively, and almost none of them even get to a B level (unless they go to real pool halls and play 9 ball with the top players).
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Bullshit, I've lost to players gambling playing 9B then turned around and played them 8B and robbed the very same players! I've seen the difference in the 2 games played way to many times to be fooled into thinking they're played the same.
 
iusedtoberich said:
There is no such thing as a B player that is a B in 8 ball, and not in 9 ball. The reason is no one past D level prefers 8 ball over 9 ball. Only the league players play 8 ball exclusively, and almost none of them even get to a B level (unless they go to real pool halls and play 9 ball with the top players).
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8B is the most popular and most played game of pool there is worldwide, just so you're aware.

Even Willie Mosconi thought more highly of 8B than he did 9B, and felt 9B was to easy to play compared to 8B!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
Even Jayson said in his interview he stopped paying attention to the high run score, and didn't even want to know what it was most of the time, and started realizing he was more able to run the racks when he just paid attention to the 14 balls in the rack, and ending up with a good break shot so he could keep repeating making the 14 balls!!
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WTH! That's what a True Champion/player is supposed to do! Especially in a format like this. You miss, you rack em up and start over! It's not like it's a Real game where there is s finish-line.
 
realkingcobra said:
Bullshit, I've lost to players gambling playing 9B then turned around and played them 8B and robbed the very same players! I've seen the difference in the 2 games played way to many times to be fooled into thinking they're played the same.
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You missed the point again man. Anyone who is a legit B player, develops that skill at a pool hall. Not a bar. At a pool hall, the main game is 9 ball. None of the good players play 8 ball. So if you are to become a good player, by playing good players, and learning from good players, you are playing 9 ball. In the straight pool era it was straight pool.

8 ball has always been a recreational game. If a player played 8 ball exclusively, they would be cutting off playing against the good players in their area, and would never develop past a C- player most likely.
 
iusedtoberich said:
You missed the point again man. Anyone who is a legit B player, develops that skill at a pool hall. Not a bar. At a pool hall, the main game is 9 ball. None of the good players play 8 ball. So if you are to become a good player, by playing good players, and learning from good players, you are playing 9 ball. In the straight pool era it was straight pool.

8 ball has always been a recreational game. If a player played 8 ball exclusively, they would be cutting off playing against the good players in their area, and would never develop past a C- player most likely.
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I guess you didn't know SVB started out playing 8B, and playing 8B who has beaten him for big money???
 
Jason Shaw has an 8B background, before ever playing 9B! In fact, he was a champion in 8B before he won anything in 9B.
 
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