I've been civil and answered your questions
Could Stan clarify this statement in his video
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Because CTE/ETB with an outside sweep is the same as CTE/ETA with an inside sweep.
Of course you would have known that had you actually seen either DVD or actually paid attention the numerous times it's been mentioned here.
Did you see my response on page 7 regarding your blue sky example and the "5 shots?"
If you want to keep doing this back and forth, that's fine by me, because I will continue to own you day and night.
Is there something wrong with you? I said I would make all 5 shots using CTE/ETA. I will also make all 5 shots using CTE/ETB since you falsely stated Stan said this visual wouldn't make those shots. And since he originally asked me to do it using Pro One, I'll do that as well.
I added the first two as the video will clearly show the mechanical 1/2 tip pivot. So you're now saying I'm so good I can move into these shots followed first by a thinning pivot and then by a thickening pivot and still make them and set that up by feel plus or minus a 1/2 tip? Thanks for the compliment but remember, I'm just a beginning banger.
You have no gamble , what you have is nothing but a big mouth nob nob, I bet you eat banana's sideways.
We have both shot the 5 shots which is basically the same thing.
Why have you not answered my second question about my Big Blue Sky Hypothesis.
I know what will happen if I shoot Stevie's 2 shots. I think Anthony & I have shot those shots many many many times & we know that they are different & can NOT both be pocketed utilizing ONLY the exact same objectives & since not, Stevie saying that that is the case would tell any logical & rational non fan individual that SOMETHING is amiss.
I'll stop there so as to not repeat myself although it might be beneficial for any new reader to the 'discussion'.
I'll make you a similar offer English. I'll post the video of me making all 5 shots. I'll use whichever of the the methods you specify (ETA, ETB or Pro One) or some combination of the three. You in turn post a video of you making them using TOI. The video of you doing it will need to show your cue tip offset so you're really using toi and the appropriate offset to create the deflection necessary to create the angle to make the shot.
If either of us fail to post the video by the first Monday off the new year, the failing party sends a check for $250 to Mark Wilson for the 2015 Mosconi Cup and agrees not too post in this forum for 6 months.
How can you decline this proposal given your stated expertise with TOI and 47 years of experience?
If either of us fail to post the video by the first Monday off the new year, the failing party sends a check for $250 to Mark Wilson for the 2015 Mosconi Cup and agrees not too post in this forum for 6 months.
How can you decline this proposal given your stated expertise with TOI and 47 years of experience?
I did ...the same for both.
You have no gamble , what you have is nothing but a big mouth nob nob, I bet you eat banana's sideways.
Yet another personal attack. You seem confused, looks like I have plenty of gamble. I'm just not going to waste my time for a paltry $25. That's a joke.
I did answer your question. And if you actually shot the shots what were your results. It easy to sit on a keyboard and type what you think might happen. Actual results are what i'm asking for. How much are you missing by when shooting the shots with CTE?
What does that mean?
I have stated several times that it is extremely obvious that the cue MUST be on a different line in order to pocket the balls.
I now seem to understand why an intelligent & logical discussion can not seem to be had. Some do not even understand the issue at hand.
Again you say what Neil has already said.
I guess I'll ask you the same question.
Do you consider perception to be objective?
15 balls in rotation using TOI
Don't be silly, TOI isn't an aiming system like CTE, so it's "apples and oranges" - TOI is a complete playing system to learn the deeper levels of pool. You can aim at whatever you want, although I use the center of the cue ball to either the edge or center of the object ball as a reference to create the needed angle.
Here's a video of making 15 balls in rotation using TOI - it's very difficult to see where I'm hitting the cue ball, it's better to watch the after contact reaction to see the effect.
Why don't you guys meet and have an old fashioned duel?
Don't be silly, TOI isn't an aiming system like CTE, so it's "apples and oranges" - TOI is a complete playing system to learn the deeper levels of pool. You can aim at whatever you want, although I use the center of the cue ball to either the edge or center of the object ball as a reference to create the needed angle.
Here's a video of making 15 balls in rotation using TOI - it's very difficult to see where I'm hitting the cue ball, it's better to watch the after contact reaction to see the effect.
Why don't you guys meet and have an old fashioned duel?
I asked you a 'first' question that you did answer. I then asked you a 'second' question. Did I miss your answer to that question & if so can you please direct me to that answer?
Here is what many seem to not understand what Anthony, I & I think Colin are saying.
If one executes the shots with the visuals & the 1/2 tip pivot totally objectively with no subjective input the shots miss by significant amounts. It is NOT due to bad stroke or anything like that. It is because we have done the best that we can to not allow any thing else subjective to influence the shot. We have done our best to execute the shots as though a robot would.
Let me ask you the this question.
Do you consider perception to be objective?
Don't be silly, TOI isn't an aiming system like CTE, so it's "apples and oranges" - TOI is a complete playing system to learn the deeper levels of pool. You can aim at whatever you want, although I use the center of the cue ball to either the edge or center of the object ball as a reference to create the needed angle.
Here's a video of making 15 balls in rotation using TOI - it's very difficult to see where I'm hitting the cue ball, it's better to watch the after contact reaction to see the effect.
Why don't you guys meet and have an old fashioned duel?
If TOI isn't an aiming system, why do you keep bringing it up in the aiming forum? Perhaps it was a different dvd I watched. I seem to remember you describing how to use varying degrees of inside to use the ensuing deflection to create the angle to pocket the ball.
I guess it's possible you're trying to bail English out as you're concerned he really isn't using toi as he has stated and could possibly embarrass you by association. Nah, that's not possible.
I repeat what Neil says, because what he says is most often correct, especially when pertaining to CTE.
But if it's something original you want, then allow me to ask you a simple question.
Why are you, a complete novice (and that's me being nice), so caught up on these 5 shots? You do understand that there are steps to take before getting into them. You don't just start off on the 5 shots before practicing the system on simpler shots, i.e. the reference shots on both DVDs
It's sort of like trying to draw the CB full table before you can even play a proper stop shot.
Post 138 should your answer. I'm not going to answer the perception question as it's just to vague for my tastes.
In your answer you would be shooting the shots as if you were in the blue sky, but we are not. we are on a pool table. If by subjective you mean rails and pockets yes we need that input for our initial line up.
The 5 shots, are they the famous dr dave shots? If so i can put each shot in multiple pockets using CTE. Some of them in all 6 pockets if I had to.
Of course they "aim," but it's obviously only a fraction of the total process
You have plenty of gamble? Have you played any of the Indianapolis guys? I'm sure we could arrange something if you're really "itching to play".....or is it just with Rick?
Can anyone imagine an NBA basketball player arguing over his "aiming system" for shooting jump shots? How about an "aiming system" for golf, have you heard of such a thing? Of course they "aim," but it's obviously only a fraction of the total process of performing a shot....whether it's basketball, golf, or pool.
You have plenty of gamble? Have you played any of the Indianapolis guys? I'm sure we could arrange something if you're really "itching to play".....or is it just with Rick?
Can anyone imagine an NBA basketball player arguing over his "aiming system" for shooting jump shots? How about an "aiming system" for golf, have you heard of such a thing? Of course they "aim," but it's obviously only a fraction of the total process of performing a shot....whether it's basketball, golf, or pool.
Changing the subject CJ? If TOI isn't an aiming system, why do you keep posting about it in the aiming forum? Could you also post the testimonials you have, for your TOI system, from notable professionals? Why use the NBA analogy? I don't see LeBron James hawking dvd's shamelessly on a basketball forum either.
Brickyard Billiards is about an hour from my house. No CJ, I'm not a road warrior or a hustler by any means. I was simply calling out two guys who have been making personal attacks and telling defaming lies. Not sure why you feel the need to jump in on it but if you want to make it personal, no problem.
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Does Rick represent something hostile to you?
You know these challenges are meaningless, yet you pursue them with an unusual vigor. Does Rick represent something hostile to you?
I've said TOI isn't an aiming system many times, it's an overall playing system. I do have an "aiming system" in my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' and yes, it's a "center to edge" system. I was using this type of visual alignment before there were any videos on the subject. My video that had the Ultimate Aiming System was produced in 1997, it has nothing to do with TOI, although they do work well as a "check and balance" - there are times when you need a way to cross check your angle.....especially on longer shots.
They put the TOI stuff in the aiming section because it's their choice, I don't really care. There's also been a lot of talk about TOI in the "main section," probably thousands of views/posts. Using the TOI technique increases the pocket zone, but the focus is on the inside of the pocket......this becomes instinct through "trial and error" in practice.
Actually there's lot's of things in the "aiming section" that have nothing to do with your so called "aiming". You even seemed to work in a "bears thread" - I'm pretty sure football players don't use any "aiming systems"
You know these challenges are meaningless, yet you pursue them with an unusual vigor. Does Rick represent something hostile to you?
I've said TOI isn't an aiming system many times, it's an overall playing system. I do have an "aiming system" in my 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' and yes, it's a "center to edge" system. I was using this type of visual alignment before there were any videos on the subject. My video that had the Ultimate Aiming System was produced in 1997, it has nothing to do with TOI, although they do work well as a "check and balance" - there are times when you need a way to cross check your angle.....especially on longer shots.
They put the TOI stuff in the aiming section because it's their choice, I don't really care. There's also been a lot of talk about TOI in the "main section," probably thousands of views/posts. Using the TOI technique increases the pocket zone, but the focus is on the inside of the pocket......this becomes instinct through "trial and error" in practice.
Actually there's lot's of things in the "aiming section" that have nothing to do with your so called "aiming". You even seemed to work in a "bears thread" - I'm pretty sure football players don't use any "aiming systems"
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