Most have said we are the most expensive tip on the market... We are not. Take a look again.
Hi Kamui fans. The time has come for all of us to recognize what is a fake Kamui and what is an Authentic Kamui.
We are changing our "look" NOT formula to make sure that YOU, the player and installer is getting a GENUINE Kamui tip.
Please study the image below and share with all of your friends. The fake Kamui tips will noticeably not perform like a Kamui tip. But before you get yours installed be sure it is the real thing!
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For further education on the evolution of the Kamui tips
1. At a brief time we did have black Kamui tips without the foil stamp. 2008-2009 But all Blacks had a unique serial number.
2. In August of 2009 we had a threat of counterfeit so we created the current "foil stamped" look.
With ALL of my authorized Kamui installers I RECALLED all the old look tips(non-foil stamped) and replaced with foil stamped. (I have a lot of the old ones)(NO MS)
RULE OF THUMB: Buy the Original or Black with a foil stamp, THEN look for the serial number pushed into the face.
The counterfeiters can not keep up with us as we can change the look of the Kamui tip at any moments notice. If it does not have a foil stamp you run a high risk that it could have been sourced out of a counterfeiter.
We do this to ensure that you get the real thing.
This chart below was made to show in 2009 what the new look is, what we know now. The HOLOGRAM will come out end of August.
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Are you serious??????? Making ignorant remarks like that, you really should consider a career in politics.
MAP pricing Troy. It is set to protect from Internet price wars and devaluing the brand... You know this Troy. You also believe in MAP price..
Do you think I import the tips paying with peanuts? come on. Take a look at our weak dollar... How much profit do you think I make after sponsorships and marketing? I only sell the tips to installers and cue makers.
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Please read your comment again that I quoted. You are saying that it is not you selling the tips at $20.00 per. Which in fact it is you forcing us (the dealers) the abide by set rules as far as pricing goes. Your comment is out of line IMO.
Originally Posted by Kamuitipsdotcom
Pretty soon I will not be able to prevent a price increase. Blame it on the US gov't and our economy.
Do you and "Roadie" really, really believe that government policy doesn't have economic effects? "Roadie" is issuing recommended reading but I really kinda think he should take his own advice.
As a consumer I have no idea what you pay for the tips nor who pays what part of sponsorship and advertising. The climate is what it is and the fact is that if you raise your prices then the only reason is to protect your margins. Which is fine but don't tell the consumer that it's the government's fault.
If you want to play that game....
Check MAP. Your forced to sell them at the Minimum Advertised Price. Which if I'm understanding correctly (the lowest I have seen adverstised from a reputable source) are 19.75/16.75 *
There are several tips more expensive than Kamui out there. For example:
Onyx LTD 24.95
Moori21.95
If you extend your reach beyond tips, other products Kamui offers have higher priced competiters as well.
For example
Tiger Paw Cue Holder 49.95
vs
Kamui Cue Holder 39.95
Yall are so quick to accuse the man of screwing you because he is trying to turn a megar profit. You cant feed a family if you dont make any profit. If your authorized retailer is charging you more, than dont buy from him. Find another authorized retailer. If you think you got a counterfeit/bunk tip then call 1-877-GO-KAMUI and tell John yourself. Dont come badmouth him on the forums for trying to make a living.
Yall are so crazy about the prices of the chalk? Ya wanna hear something funny? To date there have been exactly 1204 peices of Kamui .98 chalk to come into the country. Out of those peices I have had 97 of them....I paid between 25 and 28 dollars each. I spent $2591 in the aquisition of this chalk. I smashed one peice (freak accident), used 2 peices, given 3 away, and still have 1 more left. If your doing the math at home along with me that means I have SOLD 90 peices of Kamui for a total $2798. Thats a $200 profit. Not much in the grand scheme of things.
My point of this chalk story is that yes I made money by selling a product. There are people out there that are willing to pay the prices, and being such, you have no place to admonish how much a person prices something they have for sale. There is a saying in the auction world. "Things are only worth what someone else is willing to pay". I'd say that Kamui priced things right. They make enfough money to keep the lights on and their employees paid, and their customers (99% of the ones I talked to) are completely satisfied.
When is the last time one of yall gave away 50 of something? I know Mr. Bertone just gave 50 tips to the Seminole Tour for an incentive to buy their PPV. He sponsors players by putting tips on their cues and chalk in their hands.
*My source for these figures was Seyberts. I used regular retail pricing. Which as far as I can tell all Kamui products are Priced at MAP, therefore they do not put them on "Sale". Its one thing to markup your product and put it on sale. Its much more honest to price it where it needs to be in the first place.
Profit is better than loss. That said paying retail and more for any product to make a meager profit is not the way I would choose to make a living.
No one is begrudging Mr. Bertone his profit. I am merely not in agreement that the government is to blame for any increase in price of Kamui products.
Profit is better than loss. That said paying retail and more for any product to make a meager profit is not the way I would choose to make a living.
No one is begrudging Mr. Bertone his profit. I am merely not in agreement that the government is to blame for any increase in price of Kamui products.
Roadie,
I have held prices from increasing for 8 months hoping the economy would come back around.
In 2009 when I locked in the deal the yen and the dollar were equal.
Which means 19.75 is 1975 yen. Today, 1975Yen is $25.75.
This all means when I buy, My dollar is weak to the yen... not worth as much. This means that the factory, the employees, will not survive.
NO MORE OFF TOPIC.. THIS THREAD IS FOR COUNTERFEIT DISCUSSION.
If you want to talk to me about pricing and what ever call me. or PM or email.
THANK YOU!
You are splitting hairs. Through Indirect action (or lack there of) the US Dollar has fallen in value. Therefore the value of his product must be adjusted accordingly. There is no way shape or form that it is not the governments fault.
Speaking of government, I heard that some of the counterfeits comming out of china are getting caught up in customs. Buddy of mine was telling me that he saw a whole shipping container that customs seized full of designer purses, Vera, Dooney, Louie, and Coach too. Shame....
You honestly believe that the US government has the power to affect the price of tips?
I suggest reading the Weath of Nations and Henry Hazlitt (both free) to gain a slightly better understanding of economics. Pricing bows to many factors of which government actions are just one part.
Of course it has economic effects. But the point is that prices rise and fall for a lot of other factors alongside government intervention. Economists the world over have proven time and again that government can never really have the positive effects on the economy that they (and deluded people) think that they have when they enact any policy designed to ease pricing. Because there is a cause/effect ripple that happens any time you artificially DEPRESS prices in one sector then it causes a rise in prices in another sector. Whenever any sector loses then another gains. Money is finite. Money taken from any person in any fashion is a loss for them and a gain for someone else. If the government undertakes to do something to stabilize the exchange rate between Japan and the US Dollar so that Kamui tips aren't more expensive for him to import due to the exchange rate then Mr. Bertone's expenses will rise some other way such that he will be forced to raise prices. This type of reciprocal action has been proven over and over and over.
So if you are under the impression that the government is to blame when the economy is bad then do you give them credit when it's good?
What specifically do you think that the government can do to protect the price of Kamui tips for you? And for that matter since we are blaming the government shouldn't we be looking to give our money to domestic tip makers to allow them to have the resources to develop tips as good or better than Kamui? (Assuming that they are not already)
Since the government is to blame shouldn't the government be in Tiger's facility stimulating them to encourage more innovation and employment?
Blaming the government for your pricing is the sign of a weak business. The only way that government truly influences prices upward is when they enact regulations that come with fees that increase costs which then must be added to the overhead and built into the product price.