Counterfeit Kamui Tips- Learn the difference.
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Thank you so much for the help. If we join together (spread the word) we can fight this and not make it worth their while to counterfeit the tips or other brands of products.
Where does the word "WE" fit into this John?
I see it as being solely Kamui's problem, not mine.
Whats in it for us, expensive Kamui chalk?
If I need Kamui tips, they are available cheaper than any of your dealers could possibly sell them or EBay for that matter. And they won't be counterfeit.
And before you feel the need to go off, yeah, I am still in a p issy mood over you lying to me re the wholesale price of Kamui tips from a dealer. Once a person misrepresents themselves to me, thats the last time I will trust their word on anything.
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Call me crazy, but based on
"I just had one installed last weekend. Is there a way to identify them after the fact?"
How can you say odds are you have a real one, when the thread is about counterfeit ones.
Because he had it installed last week its a real one as opposed to the ones installed the week before, those were the really bad ones?
"I just had one installed last weekend. Is there a way to identify them after the fact?"
How can you say odds are you have a real one, when the thread is about counterfeit ones.
Because he had it installed last week its a real one as opposed to the ones installed the week before, those were the really bad ones?
Then please by all means do not be involved to provide the best for your customer... I do not see it necessary to pound on my thread about your disgruntles. Since you have a "formed" opinion about me as being the bad guy... Let me help you. Pick up the phone!. Why do you hide in this forum and bash me and my thread?
Our problem since you want it to be public..
1. You live in Canada right?
2. I do not sell to tip fitters or cue makers in Canada and I have contract agreements with all of my distributors to not sell across the boarder..
Why? you ask? well, I made a promise to my Canadian distributors to help grow their market and their request was to keep the USA distributors off their turf.
3. SO, when you contacted me I referred you to Joel from AVO Billiards. Ethical thing to do right?
4... that was when all the problems started.
I am bound under contract agreement with my Canadian dealers. As for price, you can find a cheaper price to anything you buy anywhere. Is it Authentic? Is your source using the money in their pocket to sponsor players and do what they can to grow billiards? I think not.
In my previous post on MY thread I talked about the price of the dollar to the yen... From 2009 - now there has only been one price increase. Why you ask? Well, I have worked very hard to keep the pricing from fluctuating... Pretty soon I will not be able to prevent a price increase. Blame it on the US gov't and our economy.
You know, you are right. I may have spoke wrong about this.. He did not say that it had any mechanical problems like mushroom so the odds are it would be a real one... right? He has been playing with it right?. He does know now that if it mushrooms then it was a bad one... But if it hasn't yet.. Odds are he is o.k.
Also, we have just a couple reports of the counterfeit here in the US... We have plenty of intel in China to stop the problem before it ruins the Kamui brand... We are proactive to protect the player.
So, again, Odds are he has a real one and he will be fine.
Thank you for your post and allowing me to clarify this for you.
You know, you are right. I may have spoke wrong about this.. He did not say that it had any mechanical problems like mushroom so the odds are it would be a real one... right? He has been playing with it right?. He does know now that if it mushrooms then it was a bad one... But if it hasn't yet.. Odds are he is o.k.
Also, we have just a couple reports of the counterfeit here in the US... We have plenty of intel in China to stop the problem before it ruins the Kamui brand... We are proactive to protect the player.
So, again, Odds are he has a real one and he will be fine.
Thank you for your post and allowing me to clarify this for you.
I think these are some very important words to note. What is being said is "you probably (we hope) have a real kamui tip." The fact is at $25 a pop a consumer should not have to feel this way. The one thing i'm almost literally laughing at is that the "tell" is the fakes mushroom.... maybe that's true right now, maybe not. But I assure you these people can make tips that don't mushroom. A 15 cent triangle doesn't mushroom. The price point has simply been set too high, and I think here come some of the consequences.
I guess that's a backward way of saying the hologram's on the front of the tip. I haven't used any.
You are 100% correct... For what you know. A Kamui tip is NOT a single layered tip.
I challenge you Chinchilla. Make your own tip, Then make the second one perform like the last.(Consistency)... But, Try doing this 12 months out of the year, I mean try to keep it consistent from every batch every month..
There is a lot to learn about leather. Take the time to learn about all leathers and then about pig. And then try to stabilize it. Not a simple task. Took us 6 years to figure that equation out..
I AM NOT FORCING ANYONE TO BUY MY PRODUCT... We just love billiards and we see an inconsistency in a product we will challenge ourselves to make it better. Like our tips and like our chalk.
Thank you for your post and voicing your opinion.
You honestly believe that the US government has the power to affect the price of tips?
I suggest reading the Weath of Nations and Henry Hazlitt (both free) to gain a slightly better understanding of economics. Pricing bows to many factors of which government actions are just one part. If government had the power to depress prices then the entire world would be locked in a perpetual price war as each government would undertake the measures to keep prices low since low prices would make those in power loved and prolong their power.
If you want to keep the price of tips lower then reduce the amount of profit you have on them. No law prevents you from taking a smaller slice. Companies face these decisions all the time as to whether it's better to raise prices when costs rise or leave them alone so as to not disrupt their market. Currencies fluctuate all the time and companies who are smart account for this in their pricing schemes. Companies who don't get caught having to adjust radically. Blaming it on the government as to why you are entitled to x-amount of profit per cue tip is generally not a good strategy.
So what should a person do if they have Kamui tips from six, five or four years ago while you were in the process of figuring out how to make tips? Will you exchange those presumably inconsistent tips with the new consistent ones?
Triangle tips do mushroom. If a leather tip does not mushroom then the leather has been altered to a different state. Petrified wood does not dent because it's state is hard like rock.
There have been many repairmen over time who have pre-compressed tips in order to reduce or eliminate the mushrooming effect.
Kamui has definitely priced themselves as the premium brand among a host of competitors. It's doubtful that any single person could truly tell the difference between a $25 Kamui tip and a compressed and well dressed Le Pro in a blind test. I would be shocked to see any tests done with a group of decent players which ended up with the Kamui being rated as the best tip out of many tips put on cues to play with. I am fairly certain that if one took ten identical house cues and put ten different tips on them that no tip would emerge as a clear winner if the brands were not known before hand and the tips were disguised so that the players could not make judgments based on the appearance of the tip.
Being in the top price category however invites competition and counterfeiting. Dealing with counterfeiting is an energy-draining headache-inducing activity that I don't wish on anyone. So regardless of whether Kamui tips are worth it or not they really don't deserve to have all their efforts stolen by counterfeiters.
Wayne-Holmes
Professional Retiree
Are you serious??????? Making ignorant remarks like that, you really should consider a career in politics.
Do you think I import the tips paying with peanuts? come on. Take a look at our weak dollar... How much profit do you think I make after sponsorships and marketing? I only sell the tips to installers and cue makers.
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Lol. not a job I would enjoy doing. But gues what we are in store with our AAA rating going away.... But what do I know.. Right?
My point really got lost when I brought up triangle. My fault.
My only point was that counterfeiters can easily make a tip that doesn't mushroom (at least to a noticeable level), as I saw this was one of your only criterion to determine if a tip on a cue was fake or not.
We have not seen the brown being counterfeited yet. Eventually the hologram may be counterfeited. But, we want it to be difficult.
If you have some I would like them for the Billiard Archive.
As I have stated many times before. We are never satisfied with the products we produce... When technology allows us to improve the tips, we will.
As I have stated many times before. We are never satisfied with the products we produce... When technology allows us to improve the tips, we will.
