Cowboy Jimmy Moore - Obviously Using Center to Edge

...and true.

Lou Figueroa

So not true. If that were the case, CTE users couldn't make a ball.

For some reason, you have a prejudice with CTE and I have a feeling you'd knock it no matter what. Meaning, hypothetically, I have a hunch I could present a CTE math document written by Stephen Hawkins that shows how everything works and you'd still knock the info and call the guy a nit non-playing cripple.

You're so vested in being a CTE hater (for reasons beyond me) you're to the point where you knock blindly and without reason. CTE promotes poor PSR habits?? Pah-leeze. Based off what (other than your opinion)?
 
So not true. If that were the case, CTE users couldn't make a ball.

For some reason, you have a prejudice with CTE and I have a feeling you'd knock it no matter what. Meaning, hypothetically, I have a hunch I could present a CTE math document written by Stephen Hawkins that shows how everything works and you'd still knock the info and call the guy a nit non-playing cripple.

You're so vested in being a CTE hater (for reasons beyond me) you're to the point where you knock blindly and without reason. CTE promotes poor PSR habits?? Pah-leeze. Based off what (other than your opinion)?


Stephen Hawkins, yes. (Who is he?)

Stephen Hawking, no -- you would be wrong. I have a great deal of respect for Stephen Hawking and would believe him on anything to do with colliding spheres, even if Mosconi hisself said otherwise. (I sure hope you're not trying to suggest that this tech paper you're coming out with is comparable to anything a genius like him would put out...)

And I am not saying a CTE user couldn't make a ball. That would be like saying a cripple couldn't walk, when in fact they do, albeit with a brace(s), or prosthesis, or electrical nerve stimulation. IOW, you can still get around.

My point about it creating a poor PSR is just based on the fact that not everyone is best off with the same PSR -- that's why the pros all look so different, from the time they come to the table, to the motions they use to get into final shooting position, to what they do up until the time they pull the trigger. Or maybe you haven't noticed, to take a couple of extreme examples, that Allison Fischer has a different PSR than say, Larry Nevel.

The pros all look different at the table because they all have different PSRs. And getting locked into the CTE PSR, with whatever pivot you care to choose, just maybe probably is not best for everyone. And if there's another PSR out there that would be better for you, sticking with the CTE PSR is crippling your game.

Lastly, save all the "knocking" and "hating" baloney. Everyone here has seen that act a dozen times before and knows it to be the last desperate resort of someone who can't make their points any other way.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Stephen Hawkins, yes. (Who is he?)

Stephen Hawking, no -- you would be wrong. I have a great deal of respect for Stephen Hawking and would believe him on anything to do with colliding spheres, even if Mosconi hisself said otherwise. (I sure hope you're not trying to suggest that this tech paper you're coming out with is comparable to anything a genius like him would put out...)

And I am not saying a CTE user couldn't make a ball. That would be like saying a cripple couldn't walk, when in fact they do, albeit with a brace(s), or prosthesis, or electrical nerve stimulation. IOW, you can still get around.

My point about it creating a poor PSR is just based on the fact that not everyone is best off with the same PSR -- that's why the pros all look so different, from the time they come to the table, to the motions they use to get into final shooting position, to what they do up until the time they pull the trigger. Or maybe you haven't notice, to take a couple of extreme examples, that Allison Fischer has a different PSR than say, Larry Nevel.

The pros all look different at the table because they all have different PSRs. And getting locked into the CTE PSR, with whatever pivot you care to choose, just maybe probably is not best for everyone. And if there's another PSR out there that would be better for you, sticking with the CTE PSR is crippling your game.

Lastly, save all the "knocking" and "hating" baloney. Everyone here has seen that act a dozen times before and knows it to be the last desperate resort of someone who can't make their points any other way.

Lou Figueroa
If the psr puts the ball in the hole - it's right for everyone.
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You're so vested in being a CTE hater (for reasons beyond me) you're to the point where you knock blindly and without reason. CTE promotes poor PSR habits?? Pah-leeze. Based off what (other than your opinion)?

I'll just say that in snooker, where the pockets are tighter and it's tougher to make balls, pivoting with the cue when you're already down on the shot would be strongly discouraged. Aiming at the side of the ball for the feathers and then turning in on the final delivery as seen in the videos would never be considered a good thing, only an unnecessary complication that may work some of the time, but leaves far too much that can go wrong. It's hard enough to hit the ball straight when you're aiming straight, never mind aiming one place and hitting another. I understand that this is not required in CTE, just what Cowboy Jimmy Moore is doing. I don't know how CTE-ers go about applying side-spin, but I guess it would have to involve another pivot of sorts? For me, this would throw my arm, wrist and grip out of proper alignment, and I'd have to compensate on the delivery. Not something I'd want to be doing, and not something that would lend itself to consistent shotmaking, in my opinion.

If people want to improve at this game they'd be better served looking at what the majority of pros have it common and trying to emulate those things, rather than picking one exception and saying "if it works for him, obviously it works." If you approach pool or snooker this way, and try to implement Keith McCready's side-arm stroke, or Alex Higgins' total disregard for stillness on the shot, you will be very unlikely to ever reach a high standard in either game. If Lou isn't saying that pivoting on the final delivery is necessarily a fundamental flaw, I'll go a little further and say that it is. I think the Cowboy was making balls not because of this approach, but in spite of it.
 
I have a question.
Lou asked in this post what is the difference between those two shots and why you can't use CTE to shoot a ball at a specific spot on the rail. It was stated that with CTE you are always shooting the ball into a pocket. But at the same time, there are people who claim to use CTE for bankshots, which means shooting the ball into a rail.
What is the difference, aiming-wise, between a safety and a bank?
 
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I'll just say that in snooker, where the pockets are tighter and it's tougher to make balls, pivoting with the cue when you're already down on the shot would be strongly discouraged. Aiming at the side of the ball for the feathers and then turning in on the final delivery as seen in the videos would never be considered a good thing, only an unnecessary complication that may work some of the time, but leaves far too much that can go wrong. It's hard enough to hit the ball straight when you're aiming straight, never mind aiming one place and hitting another. I understand that this is not required in CTE, just what Cowboy Jimmy Moore is doing. I don't know how CTE-ers go about applying side-spin, but I guess it would have to involve another pivot of sorts? For me, this would throw my arm, wrist and grip out of proper alignment, and I'd have to compensate on the delivery. Not something I'd want to be doing, and not something that would lend itself to consistent shotmaking, in my opinion.

If people want to improve at this game they'd be better served looking at what the majority of pros have it common and trying to emulate those things, rather than picking one exception and saying "if it works for him, obviously it works." If you approach pool or snooker this way, and try to implement Keith McCready's side-arm stroke, or Alex Higgins' total disregard for stillness on the shot, you will be very unlikely to ever reach a high standard in either game. If Lou isn't saying that pivoting on the final delivery is necessarily a fundamental flaw, I'll go a little further and say that it is. I think the Cowboy was making balls not because of this approach, but in spite of it.


I really like the way you've expressed this, DangerousDave.

If you're lucky, maybe Spider will make you a T-shirt too :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
I have a question.
Lou asked in this post what is the difference between those two shots and why you can't use CTE to shoot a ball at a specific spot on the rail. It was stated that with CTE you are always shooting the ball into a pocket. But at the same time, there are people who claim to use CTE for bankshots, which means shooting the ball into a rail.
What is the difference, aiming-wise, between a safety and a bank?


PoliteSniper: what size T-shirt do you wear :-)

Lou Figueroa
lookin' at a group discount
any second now
 
I have a question.
Lou asked in this post what is the difference between those two shots and why you can't use CTE to shoot a ball at a specific spot on the rail. It was stated that with CTE you are always shooting the ball into a pocket. But at the same time, there are people who claim to use CTE for bankshots, which means shooting the ball into a rail.
What is the difference, aiming-wise, between a safety and a bank?

You know the edge and the line your back foot goes on just like cutting a ball,and it is still cb and ob to pocket,exact same,I could use CTE on shot 2 that lou diagrammed,since it was being banked toward the corner. I could of lengthened it out being it would be going to the pocket .this is one of the reasons I dont want to see it published,same people knocking it so hard,would get the same benefit as those who could care less if the haters believed it,and worked for their information until they got it
Peteypooldude
 
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I'll just say that in snooker, where the pockets are tighter and it's tougher to make balls, pivoting with the cue when you're already down on the shot would be strongly discouraged. Aiming at the side of the ball for the feathers and then turning in on the final delivery as seen in the videos would never be considered a good thing, only an unnecessary complication that may work some of the time, but leaves far too much that can go wrong. It's hard enough to hit the ball straight when you're aiming straight, never mind aiming one place and hitting another. I understand that this is not required in CTE, just what Cowboy Jimmy Moore is doing. I don't know how CTE-ers go about applying side-spin, but I guess it would have to involve another pivot of sorts? For me, this would throw my arm, wrist and grip out of proper alignment, and I'd have to compensate on the delivery. Not something I'd want to be doing, and not something that would lend itself to consistent shotmaking, in my opinion.

If people want to improve at this game they'd be better served looking at what the majority of pros have it common and trying to emulate those things, rather than picking one exception and saying "if it works for him, obviously it works." If you approach pool or snooker this way, and try to implement Keith McCready's side-arm stroke, or Alex Higgins' total disregard for stillness on the shot, you will be very unlikely to ever reach a high standard in either game. If Lou isn't saying that pivoting on the final delivery is necessarily a fundamental flaw, I'll go a little further and say that it is. I think the Cowboy was making balls not because of this approach, but in spite of it.

Is there a link to your snooker aiming thread?
 
Is there a link to your snooker aiming thread?

Are you suggesting that aiming in snooker is fundamentally different from aiming in pool? I was replying to Spidey about the CTE pre-shot routine and fundamentals. Snooker is a game where there is a greater emphasis on fundamentals, as you're shooting at a smaller target...but the angles don't change. Anyway, nice to see a sarcastic reply in place of an actual response.:rolleyes:

You could have explained how you apply sidespin with CTE, something you would have to do more often in pool than snooker.
 
Are you suggesting that aiming in snooker is fundamentally different from aiming in pool? I was replying to Spidey about the CTE pre-shot routine and fundamentals. Snooker is a game where there is a greater emphasis on fundamentals, as you're shooting at a smaller target...but the angles don't change. Anyway, nice to see a sarcastic reply in place of an actual response.:rolleyes:

You could have explained how you apply sidespin with CTE, something you would have to do more often in pool than snooker.

You brought up snooker in a CTE thread, so I was just curious how you guys aim. I use BHE and it has come along pretty naturally.
 
Are you suggesting that aiming in snooker is fundamentally different from aiming in pool? I was replying to Spidey about the CTE pre-shot routine and fundamentals. Snooker is a game where there is a greater emphasis on fundamentals, as you're shooting at a smaller target...but the angles don't change. Anyway, nice to see a sarcastic reply in place of an actual response.:rolleyes:

You could have explained how you apply sidespin with CTE, something you would have to do more often in pool than snooker.

CTE applies to any pool game where the CB/OB are the same size. That's prob why when I went to China, I was hanging with EVERYONE playing snooker except their more elite players...... and I don't even play snooker.
 
You know the edge and the line your back foot goes on just like cutting a ball,and it is still cb and ob to pocket,exact same,I could use CTE on shot 2 that lou diagrammed,since it was being banked toward the corner. I could of lengthened it out being it would be going to the pocket .this is one of the reasons I dont want to see it published,same people knocking it so hard,would get the same benefit as those who could care less if the haters believed it,and worked for their information until they got it
Peteypooldude

So you can't play a pure safety with CTE. Can you explain why?
What about two-rail and three-rail banks?
 
So you can't play a pure safety with CTE. Can you explain why?
What about two-rail and three-rail banks?

CTE puts the ball to the center of the pocket (the corner of the rectangle).

That's all it does. If you want to play a kick or safety--- play it.... you're not pivoting for those shots. You go about it a different way.
 
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