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Hal said:
Sometimes I'm embarrassed for Wilson. He makes a threatening remark and then it just starts steam rolling until he has to ban someone because he feels that he must carry out his threat. If he doesn't ban someone then he thinks he get ran over for not doing what he says he's going to do.
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This is exactly(well not exactly) what I wrote in a PM to someone stating why I thought JimBo would be banned although I don't see any reason why he should be.
Dave, seriously and with all due respect, put your ego aside and look at this for what it's worth. Don't look at it like we will think less if you don't carry it out because I, for one, will not.

Koop - hopes the mod does the right thing
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Jimbo, the problem is that you chose to be abusive to members.
If by abusive you mean honest then I guess I take it as a compliment. You also seem to have problems reading my posts for what they are, but you have some odd obsession with me. I don't believe that anyone who reads my post without the hate you seem to have for me would find it abusive or against the rules and it's ccertainly not worse then many others. Let's take Dave Fingers who called us all "forum idiots" Now I can see where he should get some slack since he's been here a month and has posted just a bit over 120 times. Me on the other hand who has been here longer then most and has only had problems since you came into power (isn't that interesting?) should be banned it's clear that these forums have been bad since 2003 and all because of me. :-D

The rules have been posted for a long time and you are certainly familliar with them. Having been banned once already, I'll offer you a choice.

Exactly what rule has been broken? You claim I am abbusive to posters, but should posters be allowed to lie without recourse? Chillie66 said that everyone in the thread was bashing Varney's work, not 1 post in this 17 page mess bashed his work, yet that was his claim. I pointed out that he was wrong and he needs to learn to read or show me 1 post backing up what he had said and his reply was to apologize to me. I didn't call him any mean names I pointed out his post was a lie and he can't read, was I wrong?? I don't think so and have yet to see any proof saying otherwise.


#1. You can offer a public apology to Chilli66.

He has already apologized to me in post 209, the reason for that was because he really wasn't talking about this thread and he was wrong, because nobody has been bashing mr. Varney's cues, just Mr. Varney's lies and Mr. Varney's arrogance. Now someone who's name had been being used comes here to clear the air and has been getting bashed by many saying she had a reason or an agenda and she over reactted, is she not allowed to vioce her opinion? aren't people being mean to her, claiming she has an agenda?? maybe we can ban everyone.

#2. You can refuse and accept a permanent ban.
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You've been dying to ban me, you don't need a reason why try to make one up? My post was true, chillie66 has a reading problem if he thought any of the posts in this 17 page thread were bashing Varney's cues. now I'm a man who has never been affraid to admit he was wrong, so if Chillie66 finds me a post in this thread that is bashing Varney's cues I will make a public apology to him. But I will never apologize because some power hungry guy with an agenda wants me to.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
I find it funny that you didn't notice the same group of Nov. 06 people who support Varney in every other thread did so here as well. I guess you only see one side of things. Another thing that is funny is how *YOU* find me to be anti Varney yet I've not once said a bad word about the cues he makes. Now if you want to debate the worth of his cue and if I was proven right or not I guess you'd have a leg to stand on, but my side would argue the price got lowered to $800 and still had no bites, you felt bad for the guy and paid 200 over the asking price, but better yet to show how much you really liked the cue you asked it be sent directly to someone else and didn't even care to lay 1 hand on the cue, way to back his work up LOL. Seems like some people have to much money at times, I'm happy for you, you're either a super nice guy or had it left to you.

Jim<---Soon to be banned for nothing ;-)
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I guess if the shoe fits Jimbo. I never stated *YOU* were anti Varney, but funny how you assumed I did. I only stated what was obvious to the posters here. You only came into the picture specifically after "furthermore" with regards to the Varney cue pricing.

As far as calling people idiots, not once, but twice, particularly after being confronted about it, well I have my own personal opinion on what should happen, but it's not my call, it's up to the moderators. I will say though, That i felt Jimbo's posts, regardless of his supporters, was COMPLETELY devoid of CIVILITY.

rg

Ps, my family was dirt poor.

pss. Tom in cincy, that photo was very insensitive to have been posted. I expect that it should be deleted, NOW! Imo, that is a much more serious "offense" than what Varney, Kristi, and Jimbo did, COMBINED!!!!
 
Hal said:
Hey Jimbo. Don't give Duke the satisfaction of seeing you get banned. All you have to do is apologize. You should do it even if you don't mean it.
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I appreciate all the people who don't want to see me go, even though as some would say I'm abrasive. But the fact is this has nothing to do with Chillie66, it has everything to do with Mr. Wilson and his ego trip. The guy wants to put his stamp on the forum, he doesn't want to do the job he has been given he wants to be *the man*. It's sad that people sit back and post afraid that they might set him off and get banned. I hated Duke as much if not more then the next guy, but he did nothing in that thread that deserved a ban. You want me to apologize for what Hal? Do you feel what I said was wrong? Of course not we've *ALL* said worse things, the difference is Wilson didn't have a hard on for the rest of you. Ross made a comment about someone else name calling and he said it was a long time ago when in fact it was in the last week, of course Ross dropped it because it would only lead to trouble for him. Dave Fingers called everyone "forum idiots" is he abrasive?? Should he be banned?? I don't think so and I'm sure nobody else does.
The trouble is Wilson thinks he can *make* me apologize, and if I did next week he's try to *make* me do something else, the guys a nutjob and will continue to push his power until he gets the boot like Jeff (Icon) did, it seems power goes to guy's heads. it's all about look at me Look at Me!

Jim
 
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Get in line!!!!!

Mr. Wilson said:
I am making the strong suggestion that everyone chiming in with input that has not been requested, butt out.

Yeah butt out, you need to listen to all powerfull Wilson, he decides what get's posted and who gets banned, from this day forth all must check with him as to what to say and when to say it. What a joke man look at yourself, seriously look at yourself, people often ask me if I care what people think about me with some of the things I post, you may want to wonder the same thing.

All the comedy, pictures of Hitlers, suggestions of polls etc. are not helping nor are they going to help.

Yeah no polls that show how off base Wilson is on this matter, things are all fine as long as he spins me as AZ's most hated, he can then spin it that he's cleaning up AZ, it's a noble thing he's doing here, everyone wants me gone right??

Jimbo has been working toward whichever resolution he may chose for a long time, but make no mistake, the choice is his.
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And Mr. Wilson has been in search of something to ban me for, he's been obsessed and reads each and every one of my posts. It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong because once I'm gone so will anyone else who complains about it. it's stalking at it's finest, the guy is doing a bang up job trying to become famous. It's all about him. Shame someone didn't get hugged as a baby.

Jim <---Look at me Daddy I'm important.
 
NYC cue dude said:
pss. Tom in cincy, that photo was very insensitive to have been posted. I expect that it should be deleted, NOW! Imo, that is a much more serious "offense" than what Varney, Kristi, and Jimbo did, COMBINED!!!!
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In Tom's defense, that picture wasn't posted out of the blue. It was simply an invocation of Godwin's Law (meaning, in short, that Tom in Cincy concedes all points and the argument must end). I can see how it's more offensive if you've never heard of Godwin's law than if you have, though.

Cory

P.S. The short version of Godwin's Law is, "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
 
Hal said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is almost nothing you can do here that warrants a life time ban. Maybe kiddie porn or something like that but that's it.

It's really silly what Wilson is doing and I don't agree with it one bit. I know he'll chime and say that it doesn't matter what I agree with and blah blah blah...

Sometimes I'm embarrassed for Wilson. He makes a threatening remark and then it just starts steam rolling until he has to ban someone because he feels that he must carry out his threat. If he doesn't ban someone then he thinks he get ran over for not doing what he says he's going to do.

Just let it go man. Jimbo hasn't done anything that 30% of the members here haven't done. He's being singled out because he speaks his mind. I've seen you make some pretty racy remarks in the NPR section Wilson. Maybe you need a month off to re-evaluate your moderating skills.

If you're gonna ban me for this at least wait until all my cue deals are finished. I've got several going right now.
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Hal stop now before you are the first member of AZ banned for posting comon sense.

Jim
 
JimBo broke no rules and only clarifies any discussion he involves himself in (find every post by him and read the last 20 or 30). It may be in an abrasive manner but it's still clarifying. Not taking into account the ones directed at Mr. Wilson anyway... those always seem to have a sort of disdain-for-authority undertone.

The quickest way to a ban is rubbing a mod or admin the wrong way. Brings more unwanted attention. Definitely want JimBo around in the future, if for nothing else the wealth of knowledge and uncommon sense.

PS. Godwin's Law is complete horsehooey. No foundation whatsoever... someone just decided to make it up and a lot of people liked it just to get out of a discussion and claim a victory.
 
Cory in DC said:
In Tom's defense, that picture wasn't posted out of the blue. It was simply an invocation of Godwin's Law (meaning, in short, that Tom in Cincy concedes all points and the argument must end). I can see how it's more offensive if you've never heard of Godwin's law than if you have, though.

Cory

P.S. The short version of Godwin's Law is, "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
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What i find offensive is that this is the third anti-semetic symbol invoked on this forum within the last month. It doesnt matter any more what the reasoning behind it is. I lost 50% of my family 50 years ago and the very person responsible for it has his face posted on a POOL forum that i call myself a member of.

I wonder what the reaction would be if someone posted historical photographs of blacks being lynched in the south?

Or is it ok to only denegrate Jews?

rg
 
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Scenario...

Forum member "A" has only been here a little over a yr or so. "A" hasn't exactly been what most would call a "contributing member". (I'll use Jimbo as an example of a "contributing member"... he shares his knowledge here on the forum which is both helpful and informative to many, many people on here.)

"A" does not do that... "A" doesn't have a wealth of knowledge in pool and rarely if ever, contributes anything pool related.

I can't speak for everyone, but most of us are here because of pool and all things pool related. I would rather read posts by someone like Jimbo (because they're informative) than I would from someone like "A" who doesn't contribute anything of any interest that's pool related.

Jimbo did not call Chilli a name and as best as anyone can tell, he didn't break any forum rules. Going back to "A"... this person did violate the forum rules. Both Jimbo and "A" have been banned before but that's the only thing they have in common.

"A" blatantly broke the forum rules. The recourse for this was being told to "play nice" and then the offending post was deleted.

Jimbo didn't break the forum rules. The recourse? Being told to apologize to someone and since he's been banned before, he'll get a permanent ban if he chooses not to apologize for something that he did not do.

I'm sorry, I've been sitting on my hands since this all went down so as not to say anything. I can't help it... nothing about this is right. I simply cannot believe that a long time, contributing member of this forum will be banned for something that they didn't do and that a short time, non-contributing member can do the very thing Jimbo was accused of doing and walk away without any recourse, not even a strike? :confused:

This is a pool forum. If the members were all like Jimbo, it would still be a forum about pool. If all the members were like "A", there would be no catagory to list the forum as other than a generic place for people to post random thoughts about no particular topic.

Banning contributing members and allowing members like "A" to do as they please will turn this place into a generic forum.

Jimbo, I was going to quote some of your key statements that I've experienced first hand and know to be very accurate statements but there were simply too many in the last few posts to break it down. Suffice it to say that I'm one of those people that's usually too afraid to post for fear of being banned. I've spent the last year promoting this forum and all the while I've had to watch any and everything I say so that I can at least make it to the DCC as a member since I'm one of the people organizing and promoting the private room for members of this forum
 
Time Out!!!

I too think the picture of Adolph Hitler needs to go. I personally don't want to be associated with Nazis, KKK, skinheads or any group of hate-mongers.
As far as Jimbo goes, I sometimes think he's a little over the top which I'm sure many of you think the same thing of me. I think that Jimbo represents the spirit of debate in its finest form. There is no one that is a member of this forum that can say they don't pay particular attention to his posts. I personally find Jimbo humorous and educational. One thing you can say about Jimbo is he can dish it out or take it either one. I think we all need a timeout and table this issue till cooler heads prevail. I'd also like to leave with this closing thought. Forums need moderation and its a tough job. I don't see myself any reason to ban Jimbo. TIMEOUT!!!

Pinocchio
 
I've made my decision.

Given the opinion that he doesn't deserve a permanent ban, I opted for three months.

People still don't understand that just as much has been said in private as in public and this is just *once* more he chose to dare fate.

I don't ask for more from one person than another,

Simple, common courtesy will suffice.

Just don't claim that if you've been asked to stop ( often many, many times ) that it is unfair.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
People still don't understand that just as much has been said in private as in public and this is just *once* more he chose to dare fate.
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Does this mean that PM's arent P?
 
ADOLPH HITLER,

My family was taken from the Ukraine to Germany in 43. They worked 14 to 16 hrs p/day 7 days a wk making "things" for the war machine.

When my mother was 12 the NAZI's decided she was too pretty to only work in a factory. She became a concubine for NAZI headknockers. I was born in Sept. 45. My mother was 13. I was named after her oldest brother who was a PARTISON fighting the NAZI's behind the front lines. Nobody knows for sure but he was probably 16 or 17 when/if he died. He was one of 25 to 26 mil Russians lost to the NAZI swine.

Seeing images of HITLER, HIMMLER and other of their ilk reminds me of not only my heritage but that they WILL burn in HELL for eternity. Not seeing their images will not change the past.

This is my point of view and I respect others who find images of NAZI's repulsive and prefer to not see them.
 
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ill say this.

I waited until after the ban to state my opinion....

Perhaps it was unfortunate that Jimbo pushed the moderators to their ultimatum, albeit right or wrong. But once the mods threwthe gauntlet down, and Jimbo did not comply, they were left with no other choice but to follow through, lest the offending party would be perceived as undermining their authority, rendering them powerless. Sort of like collateral damage.

I had no opinion, either way with regards to whether or not he should have been banned, but I will say that the mods have no choice but to lead by example and do what they say, or all is lost, including the overal viability of this forum.

rg
 
For some reason I have this overwhelming urge to hurl chunks on my screen. Lest ( or something smart sounding like that ) it be the lo mein I ate?
 
Koop said:
For some reason I have this overwhelming urge to hurl chunks on my screen. Lest ( or something smart sounding like that ) it be the lo mein I ate?
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I gotta go take a dump.... hopefully it won't be projectile, as I do feel a tad ill...
 
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