Criticizing Gambling

ElCorazonFrio said:
Seriously, troll.

Stop calling me son...if you were my father or better, I'd kill myself.

Did you see the part about the only league I play being non-handicapped and private? Every person in the league is a damn fine shot.

You obviously think very little of me. You obviously enjoy playing for money, it doesn't do anything for me.

BTW, I have played for money. I walked into a place one day and a guy wanted to play me $50 a game 9-ball. I didn't know who he was, so I asked for $20/game. After an hour I had lost $180, but it turned out that he had been runner up in a world 8/9 ball open.

So, SON, why don't you pull you hand out of your shorts, wash that thing off and give us another good reply.
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Sounds like you could be something. ..other than the town philospher. Can't believe you bet 20 a game....wow.

Trying to act impressed but I'm not. No not even a little. Go read a book or something.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Pff. Why do you even play pool, then? Play cards, even golf there's a lot more money there. In fact why play anything at all? Get a second job, work round the clock. Then you'll get the "keeehhhsh".

Why would anyone care hugely about occationally winning or losing small amounts of money? You could always work and get more. It's a minor annoyance, like an unforseen car problem when you lose, when you win it's "meh". If you play for more than you can afford, then that is called "a gambling problem" and then the proper way to deal with it is an intervention.... Aquiring skill is a different thing. You can't buy skill, no matter what the DVD peddlers tell you. That is something that can't be easily aquired or taken away.

No offense to any C-players, but I'm probably not going to watch them play any rotation game no matter how much money is on the line. If I know them well, then maybe, but not strangers. I might watch a straight pool match, though. I watched the Figueroa-Barton match only because of all the woofing and build up, and for curiousity about their game, not because of the money on the line.

I'd probably go out of my way to watch two actual pros playing, though, even if it were for free. Maybe especially if it was for free...You are liable to see some extreme stroke shots then.

About the heart and stepping into the box thing..I've never had the experience of being surprised playing for money with anyone. If I beat them in the tournament or practicing, I'm going to beat them gambling and the same with losing. They don't magically aquire a stroke when money is on the line, and neither do I. If I give them too much weight, I'll lose, if I don't give them weight and I'm better, I'll win...If the match is longer than a normal tournament race, then the differences may be magnified a bit, but it rarely changes things dramatically.

All that gambling nonsense you are spewing are just myths, told by players who wants to rob beginners that don't know any better. Some guy with stroke flaws that thinks that if he only loses enough money, his stroke is going to magically get better..pff...what nonsense. If you are not allready a top player, then the way to improve is to get lessons, work on your game, drills, playing in tournaments. You can buy a lot of instruction for the price of a gambling habit, and there is a chance you'll come out ahead, while the only way to do that gambling is to quit after making a big score.

Do you ever read the threads on Az about top player gamblers begging for money to afford life saving surgery or pain meds? Or the guys relying on friends to eat and have a place to live? Top players...In the end all the gamblers go broke, unless they're crooks and air barrellers...Like a certain someone in a recent thread.
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I've played lots of guys who were far from broke. Most were gentlemen. If they fall out of line then we address it. There's only willing victims in life.
I've made money shooting pool at all levels of skill over 20 years. There's a lot to it. Nobody is robbing anybody. You guys wanna paint everybody who gambles on pool with one big brush. It's just not the case here.
 
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2strong4u said:
WTF are you talking about?

Pool always has been and always should be about gambling. Pool is pretty boring unless there's something on the line.

You and corn chip want to make pool into some existential journey....bahahaha. It's a game . Bet something already.

If 2 pros are gonna play nobody cares unless they bet something.
Same if 2 C players play.

Just admit you don't have the heart to step into the box. That your game isn't on par with those that do. If it was easy, everyone could do it. Stick with league or whatever it is you call pool.[/QUOTE

First off s,,? for brains 99% of pool players are not pro's or play pro caliber ,, many of them don't gamble ,, league players are playing for a end game that involves money ,, few yrd back I played 8 straight masters matches win or go home grand prize 800 and round trip to Vegas and entry to Nationals ,, I have played for my last cent in my pocket more times than I can count and never once felt the pressure that I had in those matches or many other ones where I was playing for more the me
As for heart well I don't equate anything in pool with that unless your using your stick to take on thugs pinching your girls ass

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League makes leagues and league ops money. It's a business. Running out on a Valley isn't pool. I don't care if every last player chooses that route, it's a bastardazation of real pool.
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Straightpool_99 said:
Pff. Why do you even play pool, then? Play cards, even golf there's a lot more money there. In fact why play anything at all? Get a second job, work round the clock. Then you'll get the "keeehhhsh".

Why would anyone care hugely about occationally winning or losing small amounts of money? You could always work and get more. It's a minor annoyance, like an unforseen car problem when you lose, when you win it's "meh". If you play for more than you can afford, then that is called "a gambling problem" and then the proper way to deal with it is an intervention.... Aquiring skill is a different thing. You can't buy skill, no matter what the DVD peddlers tell you. That is something that can't be easily aquired or taken away.

No offense to any C-players, but I'm probably not going to watch them play any rotation game no matter how much money is on the line. If I know them well, then maybe, but not strangers. I might watch a straight pool match, though. I watched the Figueroa-Barton match only because of all the woofing and build up, and for curiousity about their game, not because of the money on the line.

I'd probably go out of my way to watch two actual pros playing, though, even if it were for free. Maybe especially if it was for free...You are liable to see some extreme stroke shots then.

About the heart and stepping into the box thing..I've never had the experience of being surprised playing for money with anyone. If I beat them in the tournament or practicing, I'm going to beat them gambling and the same with losing. They don't magically aquire a stroke when money is on the line, and neither do I. If I give them too much weight, I'll lose, if I don't give them weight and I'm better, I'll win...If the match is longer than a normal tournament race, then the differences may be magnified a bit, but it rarely changes things dramatically.

All that gambling nonsense you are spewing are just myths, told by players who wants to rob beginners that don't know any better. Some guy with stroke flaws that thinks that if he only loses enough money, his stroke is going to magically get better..pff...what nonsense. If you are not allready a top player, then the way to improve is to get lessons, work on your game, drills, playing in tournaments. You can buy a lot of instruction for the price of a gambling habit, and there is a chance you'll come out ahead, while the only way to do that gambling is to quit after making a big score.

Do you ever read the threads on Az about top player gamblers begging for money to afford life saving surgery or pain meds? Or the guys relying on friends to eat and have a place to live? Top players...In the end all the gamblers go broke, unless they're crooks and air barrellers...Like a certain someone in a recent thread.
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He's just a troll who has so little going on in his life that making others 'eat noodles' is the only thing he has to be proud of.
 
2strong4u said:
I've played lots of guys who were far from broke. Most were gentlemen. If they fall out of line then we address it. There's only willing victims in life.
I've made money shooting pool at all levels of skill over 20 years. There's a lot to it. Nobody is robbing anybody. You guys wanna paint everybody who gambles on pool with one big brush. It's just not the case here.
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I'll agree with you thier are guys who will play and lose a fair amount as long as you don't disrespect them I have had more than a couple those games for the most part are a good night out with the woman money or a couple bills , everyone's a winner in those games you work it right don't distepect that guy it can last awhile
However that's a great gig ate a many of meal on that , but a true competitor can never be satisfied with that he needs more , unfortunitly in a lot of cases ends up being busted
Only a very select few understand this and stay inside thier box


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2strong4u said:
You guys wanna paint everybody who gambles on pool with one big brush. It's just not the case here.
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As opposed to the brush with which you've been painting all the non-gamblers. You are the one who keeps making generalizations. You are the one calling people names. You are the one saying that anyone who doesn't gamble is a detriment to pool.

You are hypocritical.

It's hard to believe that you've been betting for over twenty years. You act like a fourteen year-old.
 
Thorsten Hohmann on Gambling

I seem to remember Hohmann saying that he doesn't gamble. If this is true,then obviously you can be a Great Player,and still not Gamble much, or at all.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
He's just a troll who has so little going on in his life that making others 'eat noodles' is the only thing he has to be proud of.
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Whatever dude...you can sit on the porch, wagging your tail, while the big dogs run. You are a nit, plain and simple. I'd run over you on a pool table.
 
one stroke said:
I'll agree with you thier are guys who will play and lose a fair amount as long as you don't disrespect them I have had more than a couple those games for the most part are a good night out with the woman money or a couple bills , everyone's a winner in those games you work it right don't distepect that guy it can last awhile
However that's a great gig ate a many of meal on that , but a true competitor can never be satisfied with that he needs more , unfortunitly in a lot of cases ends up being busted
Only a very select few understand this and stay inside thier box


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I got no issue with what you say. It's nits like corn chip who are ruining this game.

How can you call yourself a pool player and try to knock everyone's action? I know just the type of guy he is...the one who thinks he can play, but never puts himself out there to find out. A real legend in his own mind.
 
Doesn't Gamble

LeftyIke said:
I seem to remember Hohmann saying that he doesn't gamble. If this is true,then obviously you can be a Great Player,and still not Gamble much, or at all.
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Did he say he never gambled ?. Here in the U.S. I don't believe it would be
possible to become a top player without gambling. You have to play hours
every day, play better players under tough conditions for years to become
a great player. There are not anywhere near enough tournaments to do
that. Even if there were you don't get to play enough in tournaments.
Do you ask better players if the want to play 6 or 8 hours of fun pool. Good
luck with that. Play leagues to rise to the top? Please. I don't know, maybe
outside the U.S. players might be State sponsored or something. No way
here without gambling. Who here has done it. Not gambling after you become
a good player is one thing getting there without it, no way. Buddy cured
quite a few good players of their gambling habits but that doesn't mean
they didn't gamble before.
jack
FREE SJD
 
pwd72s said:
Bingo! Or...when they tell you that to become any good at the game you have to gamble. (Usually a lock artist who says this.)
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So what you are saying is that if someone plays for fun they will perform and improve the same as someone who gambles? I happen to disagree, but that is my opinion of course. Here is my outlook on it....if you are just playing for fun and lose its no big deal but if you lose and are gambling (even if it is for a candy bar or a signed dollar bill) it means something so you will play harder.
 
2strong4u said:
Whatever dude...you can sit on the porch, wagging your tail, while the big dogs run. You are a nit, plain and simple. I'd run over you on a pool table.
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Do you get all of your insults from early nineties t-shirts made for middle-schoolers?

Have fun, baby-cakes, I'm off to make a bunch of money contributing to society for a few hours before I head out to ruin pool by supporting a business, tipping staff and not causing any problems. I'm such a nit. nitttnittynitniterson.
 

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ElCorazonFrio said:
Do you get all of your insults from early nineties t-shirts made for middle-schoolers?

Have fun, baby-cakes, I'm off to make a bunch of money contributing to society for a few hours before I head out to ruin pool by supporting a business, tipping staff and not causing any problems. I'm such a nit. nitttnittynitniterson.
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Exactly...you are the biggest nit farm in your pool hall. Probably wouldn't bet water is wet.

You wanna bet W2's smart boy? I'll spot you 15 k. I'm dead serious. How about $500 and we can get somebody to hold the money.
 
2strong4u said:
Exactly...you are the biggest nit farm in your pool hall. Probably wouldn't bet water is wet.

You wanna bet W2's smart boy? I'll spot you 15 k. I'm dead serious. How about $500 and we can get somebody to hold the money.
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What part of 'I don't gamble' don't you get?

I have no use for your $500. Last year just my bonus was about 130 times that.

What is it with $500 for you? You act like that is some kind of life changing money. You act like I would actually send my W2 to someone so it could be made public for $500? Think again cutie.

The funny thing is...the word 'nit' is a colloquialism for lice. Lice are bloodsuckers. I have repeatedly stated that I don't bet. Simple as that, I don't bet, it does nothing for me. You keep trying to get me to bet, you wish to feed off of others...like lice do.

You will never goad me into anything here. I reply because I think it is hilarious to see someone so bothered by me that he throws out these stupid challenges. I think it is funny that your masculinity is based upon winning money at pool. I laugh my ass off about you.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
What part of 'I don't gamble' don't you get?

I have no use for your $500. Last year just my bonus was about 130 times that.

What is it with $500 for you? You act like that is some kind of life changing money. You act like I would actually send my W2 to someone so it could be made public for $500? Think again cutie.

The funny thing is...the word 'nit' is a colloquialism for lice. Lice are bloodsuckers. I have repeatedly stated that I don't bet. Simple as that, I don't bet, it does nothing for me. You keep trying to get me to bet, you wish to feed off of others...like lice do.

You will never goad me into anything here. I reply because I think it is hilarious to see someone so bothered by me that he throws out these stupid challenges. I think it is funny that your masculinity is based upon winning money at pool. I laugh my ass off about you.
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What a long winded way to say you're scared.

Best of luck corn chip.
 
eddie0776 said:
So what you are saying is that if someone plays for fun they will perform and improve the same as someone who gambles? I happen to disagree, but that is my opinion of course. Here is my outlook on it....if you are just playing for fun and lose its no big deal but if you lose and are gambling (even if it is for a candy bar or a signed dollar bill) it means something so you will play harder.
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I don't know if you play harder, but I do believe that you play with more focus.
Perhaps we are speaking of the same thing. :)
 
2strong4u said:
What a long winded way to say you're scared.

Best of luck corn chip.
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You want to post basically all of your personal information, SSN, workplace, address and pay from last year online to win (well, likely lose in your case) $500? Not wanting to do that is not cowardice, it is intelligence.

You bark a lot for such a big dog. Have you been such bad action in your pool hall that you now have to come anonymously online and bark at someone you've never seen?

You have a severe problem.

This 'wide brush' with which you say we paint gamblers...you paint a much better picture of the pool gamblers than any non-gambler could. You think it is honorable to gamble, you think it is okay to hound people, belittle them because they play for some reason other than cash.

I don't have a problem with people betting on pool. I used to bet a little.

What I and every person should have a problem with is you and those like you.
 
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