That has nothing to do with what Joey asked though ... :shrug:
Criticizing Gambling
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That has nothing to do with what Joey asked though ... :shrug:
A mortgage payment or more.
Having said that, I have no gamble in me.
This is a forum, so maybe he wasn't directly addressing JoeyA.
Or he is saying since gambling is a part of the subset, then anyone within pool may have a voice.
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JC
Coos Cues
Gambling on pool is sweating from the rail. Only then is it a true gamble when you personally have no impact on the result.
JC
It eliminates excuses. Even cheap gambling gets the players attention when they get stuck. I remember seeing Mike Carella playing Jimmy Reid $10.00 9 ball just screwing around. Just screwing around till one got stuck like half a dozen games.
Then there was no more fooling around. No one ever got mad and said raise the bet. The money was not the point but it was a factor. Neither player want to hand over any money to the other if they can help it.
These were two guys who played $500.00 a game 9 ball in those days yet they played this $10.00 game for hours and playing hard. I don't even remember who won but it was great.
The point is, for nothing, one player would have just quit and later would have used the common excuse, "We were just fooling around not playing for anything". I told a specific story but I saw the same thing with a number of players from Danny D. to Miz.
You can play cheap and play hard. Like I said it take out the excuses. What are they going to say, " I felt like giving away $200. so I didn't try".
Chess players always play hard and it is always for nothing. I don't know what that means but it's interesting. Maybe their ego is the most valuable thing they can bet. It means more to them then money.
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Yeah. I've read many posts over 2 years echoing those same ideas. "What's wrong with losing $10 or $20 in a match; especially if I'm going to win the same amount the next day; and if I ever end up losing more than I win, when it exceeds X amount I quit; simple as that.
I just don't understand gambling when motivation is the profit. I don't want to give my money away.Why then, would I want to take someone else's money? I've never been to Las Vegas. If I go I'm sure I'll walk into a casino just to check out the scene, but I'll never put a quarter in a slot machine. I've never bought a lottery ticket in my life. I don't want to give money I earned to other people. Nor do I want any one else's earned money. In short, I find gambling to be one of the downright siilliest activities human beings have ever come up with.
All that being said, I live in Chicago and play exclusively in my basement. I'll be heading out to Chris' or Red Shoes pretty soon. I'm hoping to learn a few things. From what I read, action abounds at both these joints; so, I guess I'll probably end up playing the $10 and $20 matches. If I lose more than I win and the bill tops $200, all my matches from then on will be for fun; but I'm kinda hoping I win more than lose and my first $20 turns into $2000!
might be surprised
HIS BOY ELROY if you don't gamble I think you will be in for a big surprise
Being in practice stroke is completely different than getting up for the
cash. Even if it is a small amount. It takes a while to get comfortable
gambling. After a long layoff I can practice and feel like I'm playing pretty
good but the first time in action even cheap action feel helpless. Anyway
that's the way it is for me. The best way for me to get back in stroke
is to give a weaker player the nuts and play pretty cheap. I get to do
most of the shooting which helps and loosing is no big deal because I was
trying to out run the nuts anyway. A couple of days doing this I start to
feel comfortable and start playing better and may out run the nuts. Now I
can start to match up and play. HELLO DEANO
jack
FREE SJD
HIS BOY ELROY if you don't gamble I think you will be in for a big surprise
Being in practice stroke is completely different than getting up for the
cash. Even if it is a small amount. It takes a while to get comfortable
gambling. After a long layoff I can practice and feel like I'm playing pretty
good but the first time in action even cheap action feel helpless. Anyway
that's the way it is for me. The best way for me to get back in stroke
is to give a weaker player the nuts and play pretty cheap. I get to do
most of the shooting which helps and loosing is no big deal because I was
trying to out run the nuts anyway. A couple of days doing this I start to
feel comfortable and start playing better and may out run the nuts. Now I
can start to match up and play. HELLO DEANO
jack
FREE SJD
2strong4u
Banned
No offense son, but you have no idea what playing under pressure is. Try giving good players the 7 out for 500 a set and get back to me. Or just show up at SBE with a bag of quarters and play anybody who comes to your table. Playing sombody's wife for a trip to Vegas is a walk in the park.
That's not always the case some people care more for others than they do thier money ,,
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There is a reason people gamble even just everyday people. The average guy gets up and goes to work. He can tell you to the dime what he will make this week, this month, this year. Everything about his life is predictable other then the certainty that unforeseen probably bad things will also happen.
When he goes to the track, for a change his life has an unpredictability about it. For a small risk he may come home with a pocket full of money. It is the same with people who invest in or build business. They are not afraid of a possible bad outcome,
They may be taking a gamble but with a possible life changing payoff.
It certainly make life a lot more interesting then the guy who will always tell you about all the things he almost did in his life that may have been life changing.
I have not had a job since 1970 when I worked construction. I always loved being in business. I actually love the uncertainty, getting up in the morning and not really knowing what is going to happen. Also feeling the the outcome is a bit in my control.
I may have the best day of the year or it may be completely uneventful. I think for the average guy a small gamble, be it a lottery ticket or bet on a ball game, may be the only unpredictable thing in their lives.
In fact the last line of your post says it all. You may lose $200. you may win $2000. There in lies the excitement and incentive. It is not really all about the money.
I doubt this has changed even if you go back to Biblical times. People have always gambled.
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ElCorazonFrio
Banned
Seriously, troll.
Stop calling me son...if you were my father or better, I'd kill myself.
Did you see the part about the only league I play being non-handicapped and private? Every person in the league is a damn fine shot.
You obviously think very little of me. You obviously enjoy playing for money, it doesn't do anything for me.
BTW, I have played for money. I walked into a place one day and a guy wanted to play me $50 a game 9-ball. I didn't know who he was, so I asked for $20/game. After an hour I had lost $180, but it turned out that he had been runner up in a world 8/9 ball open.
So, SON, why don't you pull you hand out of your shorts, wash that thing off and give us another good reply.
Maybe you misunderstood; my fault; I should have worded it better. I have no problem with those who think a $10 or $20 bet puts a little "jump" into the match. I don't think I necessarily agree, but I'm not at all strident in my disagreement; therefore, if I'm gonna be going to Rome I'll act like a Roman. If our friend. 2strong4you likes the pressure of knowing he's going to be eating noodles if he loses, so be it...different strokes or different folks I'm of no inclination to lecture him or others who are like minded.
Maybe I'll join a league. You said yourself there's REAL pressure there
I just personally don't like noodles, I don't want to have to eat them for a week because I lost a pool match and I have no desire to put another player who also doesn't like noodles in a situation where they have to eat them for a week because I beat them in a pool match.
The bit about turning my first $20 into $200 was an attempt at humor. Once again; my fault.
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It doesn't have to be a lot of money, it has to be something to make you not take flyers all the time, and to have to get into your pocket for mistakes.
I know a guy from here in Indy, posts here a lot, helps people sell sticks. He doesn't gamble, but he tries at the game real real hard. I would play him for fun, because he does try, and is a student of the game for sure.
To give perspective on someone else who used to be from Indy. A pretty famous basketball player used to come around and gamble on 9 ball and 8 ball. Got to be pretty good, but if he lost 2k or 10k, it was literally a drop in the bucket to him, where to everyone else it would hurt bad.
I know a guy from here in Indy, posts here a lot, helps people sell sticks. He doesn't gamble, but he tries at the game real real hard. I would play him for fun, because he does try, and is a student of the game for sure.
To give perspective on someone else who used to be from Indy. A pretty famous basketball player used to come around and gamble on 9 ball and 8 ball. Got to be pretty good, but if he lost 2k or 10k, it was literally a drop in the bucket to him, where to everyone else it would hurt bad.
2strong4u
Banned
WTF are you talking about?
Pool always has been and always should be about gambling. Pool is pretty boring unless there's something on the line.
You and corn chip want to make pool into some existential journey....bahahaha. It's a game . Bet something already.
If 2 pros are gonna play nobody cares unless they bet something.
Same if 2 C players play.
Just admit you don't have the heart to step into the box. That your game isn't on par with those that do. If it was easy, everyone could do it. Stick with league or whatever it is you call pool.
Pff. Why do you even play pool, then? Play cards, even golf there's a lot more money there. In fact why play anything at all? Get a second job, work round the clock. Then you'll get the "keeehhhsh".
Why would anyone care hugely about occationally winning or losing small amounts of money? You could always work and get more. It's a minor annoyance, like an unforseen car problem when you lose, when you win it's "meh". If you play for more than you can afford, then that is called "a gambling problem" and then the proper way to deal with it is an intervention.... Aquiring skill is a different thing. You can't buy skill, no matter what the DVD peddlers tell you. That is something that can't be easily aquired or taken away.
No offense to any C-players, but I'm probably not going to watch them play any rotation game no matter how much money is on the line. If I know them well, then maybe, but not strangers. I might watch a straight pool match, though. I watched the Figueroa-Barton match only because of all the woofing and build up, and for curiousity about their game, not because of the money on the line.
I'd probably go out of my way to watch two actual pros playing, though, even if it were for free. Maybe especially if it was for free...You are liable to see some extreme stroke shots then.
About the heart and stepping into the box thing..I've never had the experience of being surprised playing for money with anyone. If I beat them in the tournament or practicing, I'm going to beat them gambling and the same with losing. They don't magically aquire a stroke when money is on the line, and neither do I. If I give them too much weight, I'll lose, if I don't give them weight and I'm better, I'll win...If the match is longer than a normal tournament race, then the differences may be magnified a bit, but it rarely changes things dramatically.
All that gambling nonsense you are spewing are just myths, told by players who wants to rob beginners that don't know any better. Some guy with stroke flaws that thinks that if he only loses enough money, his stroke is going to magically get better..pff...what nonsense. If you are not allready a top player, then the way to improve is to get lessons, work on your game, drills, playing in tournaments. You can buy a lot of instruction for the price of a gambling habit, and there is a chance you'll come out ahead, while the only way to do that gambling is to quit after making a big score.
Do you ever read the threads on Az about top player gamblers begging for money to afford life saving surgery or pain meds? Or the guys relying on friends to eat and have a place to live? Top players...In the end all the gamblers go broke, unless they're crooks and air barrellers...Like a certain someone in a recent thread.
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