CSI Invitational 10-Ball & 8-Ball Championships

[Neil]

Something about this seems to rub me wrong.

"By invitation only" sounds more like a Country Club event than a legitimate sporting event to me.

There may be some venues where a select field makes sense, but for the most part an OPEN tournament is the real deal. You don't know who will show up. And the possibility exists that the best player may be one you never heard of.

I understand that this years US OPEN will not be an open, but a Country Club event instead.

Don't mean to defend un-sportsman like conduct detrimental to the sport, but I have concerns that the baby might be getting thrown out with the bath water here.

I'm of the belief that any contest that wishes to crown a champion can only be taken seriously if it is open to all competitors.

Sometimes there are more than two sides to the coin.

In other words, there isn't a single professional event in any sport that you take seriously.

As to who is going to play, and who isn't, just because someone isn't there, doesn't mean they are not eligible to be invited. There are only 16 spots available if I read it correctly. That leaves a number of people out anyways. That said, if you ever wanted a lock on a bet, bet that Rodney won't be there.

 

[Johnnyt]

Only need 4 from North America, 4 @ from PI, Asia, and Europe. If N.A includes Canada, you might only need 2 from the U.S per tournament. Johnnyt

 

[Jaden]

actually. ..

I learned the difference between "principle" and "principal" in the second grade (1950), and I doubt I'm the only one...

Nothing to be ashamed of in being able to spell, or not being able to spell. But being literate has its advantages.

They probably will stick to their principals... 16 principals to be exact...

Jaden

 

[JAM]

They probably will stick to their principals... 16 principals to be exact...

Jaden

You guys are good! :grin:

 

[Scott Lee]

Jay...Most likely ordering another Drambuie and potato salad! LMAO

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Donny, I was once in a meeting and when the discussion got around to distributing information I piped up with "We need to decimate this information everywhere we can." I wanted to say 'disseminate this information' and I misspoke BADLY! A couple of people gave me a funny sideways look and finally one guy graciously corrected me. To say I was embarrassed is an understatement. Where was Grady when I needed him?

 

[Scott Lee]

Lyn...You ARE an old fart. In '50 I wasn't even a glimmer in my Dad's eye (took another three years! LOL).

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

nbhh

Damn Donny,

Thought I was an old fart!!!! In 1950 I was only in the first grade. I think!

Have to admit. My spell checker is a life saver. Without it, I'd be totally unprincipled !

Lyn

 

[PINKLADY]

Full Article

"CSI has already begun sending invitations to players selected not only for their proven skills and accomplishments, but also for the respect and dignity they display as professional pool players."

And fair play to CSI. Stick by your principals!

:thumbup:

perfectly worded.

 

[Agent 99]

Sure there are...

In other words, there isn't a single professional event in any sport that you take seriously.

As to who is going to play, and who isn't, just because someone isn't there, doesn't mean they are not eligible to be invited. There are only 16 spots available if I read it correctly. That leaves a number of people out anyways. That said, if you ever wanted a lock on a bet, bet that Rodney won't be there.

Tennis, Golf, Football, Baseball, Basketball and many others.

In all of these sports anyone who thinks they can play has an avenue of opportunity to prove it. All of these sports crown a champion after all other competitors are eliminated.

How is that decided in Pool? Is it one fellow making decisions on who will get an opportunity based on how he feels that day?

In all other sports there is a defined structure of completion that eventually leads to crowning a real champion.

Inclusion not exclusion is a required element to grow any endeavor.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying. All other real sports have fast and hard rules in regard to player responsibility, and I am certainly in favor of that.

If someone disqualifies themselves because of not being compliant with the rules than that's the way it is. Not only in sports but in life as well.

A competitor who bests a field of 16 only means that he is a better player than the other 15.

But he is no champion.

And most importantly, he will never be the Peoples Champion, and that is the real problem here.

If a sport wants to conduct themselves as a country club that's fine. But don't ever think that folks will take it seriously.

Golf has more country clubs than any sport, I think, but they also have the PGA. This is what makes Golf a real sport. It has a professional venue that offers an avenue or opportunity to ANYONE who wants to compete.

Sometimes the long term ramifications of our actions can be easily over looked when we focus only on the present.

Good rolls

 

[justadub]

Sometimes the long term ramifications of our actions can be easily over looked when we focus only on the present.

Good rolls

That certainly applies to both sides of the argument, wouldn't you agree?

 

[JumpinJoe]

Tennis, Golf, Football, Baseball, Basketball and many others.

In all of these sports anyone who thinks they can play has an avenue of opportunity to prove it. All of these sports crown a champion after all other competitors are eliminated.

How is that decided in Pool? Is it one fellow making decisions on who will get an opportunity based on how he feels that day?

In all other sports there is a defined structure of completion that eventually leads to crowning a real champion.

Inclusion not exclusion is a required element to grow any endeavor.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying. All other real sports have fast and hard rules in regard to player responsibility, and I am certainly in favor of that.

If someone disqualifies themselves because of not being compliant with the rules than that's the way it is. Not only in sports but in life as well.

A competitor who bests a field of 16 only means that he is a better player than the other 15.

But he is no champion.

And most importantly, he will never be the Peoples Champion, and that is the real problem here.

If a sport wants to conduct themselves as a country club that's fine. But don't ever think that folks will take it seriously.

Golf has more country clubs than any sport, I think, but they also have the PGA. This is what makes Golf a real sport. It has a professional venue that offers an avenue or opportunity to ANYONE who wants to compete.

Sometimes the long term ramifications of our actions can be easily over looked when we focus only on the present.

Good rolls

Are you sure?
I'm sure he could be. I think SVB, DENNIS, ALEX, EFREN, BUSTY, will all get chances. Those are probably the most popular 5 players in the world, lmao.

And I wouldn't compare pool to any sport. Those sports you mentioned make $, pool does not. Comparing pool to something like curling, shuffleboard or something of that nature is more appropriate.

 

[Agent 99]

That certainly applies to both sides of the argument, wouldn't you agree?

Yes indeed, I could not agree more.

However, in this instance, one party has much more responsibilities than the other.

CSI is in a position where their actions can, and will effect the state of Pool, both in how it is perceived today as well as it's longer term future.

Rodney is only responsible for Rodney ..

No offense Mr. Rocket, but no one player is ever greater than the sport they participate in.

You will be forgotten in short order as the great sport of Pool continues along. I hope you realize this, get back into the game, and this time attempt to respect and grow the sport that has provided a living for you.

As for CSI I wish them the best. Just wanted to comment on the value of taking a deep breath and being able to see well down the road, in order to make decisions that are in the long term best interest of Pool.

For some reason I'm hungry for lobster.

 

[PETROBOY]

Are you sure?

I'm sure he could be. I think SVB, DENNIS, ALEX, EFREN, BUSTY, will all get chances. Those are probably the most popular 5 players in the world, lmao.



And I wouldn't compare pool to any sport. Those sports you mentioned make $, pool does not. Comparing pool to something like curling, shuffleboard or something of that nature is more appropriate.

Pool and Curling are not even one bit comparable. One has a great organization world wide and in each country over looking and running things, players that are fair and respectful to the game and other players, no back room gambling and not considered shady and then there is pool.


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[JumpinJoe]

Pool and Curling are not even one bit comparable. One has a great organization world wide and in each country over looking and running things, players that are fair and respectful to the game and other players, no back room gambling and not considered shady and then there is pool.


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Lol
Didn't mean that way.
Meant in the way as in it does not take a lot to play it.
I'm certain it is a lot more structured then pool.

I agree with you.

 

[NYC cue dude]

I support wholeheartedly what Mark is doing, although I'm not thrilled with the planned format. Mark knows the potential pitfalls and how the initial stages of these events can be gamed. We will have to see how things are handled.

There are some other issues, that I know that some players that have been invited, are unhappy about too. I have know doubt Mark will find the necessary balance to satisfy everyone's interests.

As pool enthusiasts, I feel it necessary to support our game, players and promoters. Mark has mine.

 

[PETROBOY]

There are some events that are invitation only in curling, The Canadian championships are open to any team to win but it is quite a procedure to get there but possible. These pool events are just that events they don't crown a US or North American champ so it shouldn't matter who plays, we should enjoy them and cheer our favorites. Those pros that aren't there well there is a reason they either don't play well enough or act well enough to be there. I personally don't enjoy watching pros curse and swear and act like fools when they play, they are supposed to act like Professionals because that's what they claim to be.


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[justadub]

Yes indeed, I could not agree more.

However, in this instance, one party has much more responsibilities than the other.

CSI is in a position where their actions can, and will effect the state of Pool, both in how it is perceived today as well as it's longer term future.

Rodney is only responsible for Rodney ..

No offense Mr. Rocket, but no one player is ever greater than the sport they participate in.

You will be forgotten in short order as the great sport of Pool continues along. I hope you realize this, get back into the game, and this time attempt to respect and grow the sport that has provided a living for you.

As for CSI I wish them the best. Just wanted to comment on the value of taking a deep breath and being able to see well down the road, in order to make decisions that are in the long term best interest of Pool.

For some reason I'm hungry for lobster.

Again, to be fair, Rodney is responsible for more than just Rodney. If reports are to be believed...

He has hitched his wagon to Dragon Promotions, and the ABP, as one of the main participants. Both have wielded great influence over the years. Not even accounting for BB.

The state of pro pool is not solely the responsibility of Mark Griffin.

Myself, I hope this year is an eye opener, and all the parties find some common ground to work from. Not gonna hold my breath on it, though...

 

[Indiana Skinny]

Will there be an asterisk(*) now by all the winner's names?
Then you would need a(an) (asterisk) list: Banned players to show who they didn't play against.
I'm sure it could be of concern to some knowing an individual won a tournament, that might of lacked potential stronger competition. Even if said potential stronger competition was in the form of banned competition.

 

[PETROBOY]

Will there be an asterisk(*) now by all the winner's names?

Then you would need a(an) (asterisk) list: Banned players to show who they didn't play against.

I'm sure it could be of concern to some knowing an individual won a tournament, that might of lacked potential stronger competition. Even if said potential stronger competition was in the form of banned competition.

Why would there be an asterisk? Would you put an asterisk next to every tournament that Dennis or Shane chooses not to play in? Any player that plays good enough to be invited could be and if they aren't it's because how they act. It takes more then just bein able to play good to get invited in and it's good to see someone stand up to these immature players.


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[JD_Hogg]

when you're down in the dumps and always looking for your next meal ticket its hard to act like a 'pro'

What someone like Mark is doing is great.

 

[8BallWonderland]

Matchroom has 16 player invitationals and I don't see people complaining.
In snooker they have similar tournaments live on tv with either an invite only or top 16 only.
Why can't CSI invite 16 of the best players in the world, who in their opinion will also act like gentleman and not curse and complain.
And also give free lessons while they are there.

I am looking forward to seeing these elite players instead of watching cursing complaining quitters which were seen last year at csi events and at the Mosconi cup