You should not disbelieve that 2 CTE perceptions make all shots by geometrically connecting to the pockets from a consistent offset.
As far as hope goes, your hope is that CTE will go away.
Stan Shuffett
CTE/Pro One Practice Table Set Up 2
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You should not disbelieve that 2 CTE perceptions make all shots by geometrically connecting to the pockets from a consistent offset.
As far as hope goes, your hope is that CTE will go away.
Stan Shuffett
I never understood that logic.
All I can say is that you are wrong. It can stay forever for all I care.
That is the victim mentality I was talking about. Can we just end the discussion already or do you want to keep at this all day? Go ahead respond with the final word after this post and make it a good one. Or keep on until your hearts content and everyone else can pile on too if it makes them feel good. I am done though, I won't respond and you have my word.
Have fun here.
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That's great! Good timing. Now that DVD2 is close, you have made your jabs for now. This is a super time for you to duck and then resurface again in some other way at another time. You are not done. You are on a mission.
Stan Shuffett
It would be nice if that were really true. And, I, and I'm sure others, really do want to believe that. However, you have clearly shown that we are all wrong and hoping on something that won't be. Your past posts have been somewhat ridiculous for someone that has seen the video and really wants to learn CTE. You clearly go out of your way to try and discredit it. Such as the statement you made about just taking the etc line, and you can see that line from every point on the ball up to 180 degrees. Of course you can, but that isn't CTE, and you full well know it's not. It's only a statement meant to disparage the system, not understand it.
Not Taking sides
Im not taking anyone's side here. Just here me out...
I have read some of satori's post and i must agree to a degree he has seemed trolling at times. Especially the whole Cross-eyed thing.
On the other hand what i have read in this thread kinda seems like he's looking for an answer. I know im gonna get blasted by some of the ppl who i really respect on this thread. Gerry, Nobcity, STAN, but i have personally asked for help from these guys and they have helped me. So, im sorry if you guys feel like im taking a side when i say this.
I have had my ups and downs with Pro/one. I still believe 100% however it's the BEST out there. I don't know why i'm not connecting with it as strongly as when i first started. Nobcitypool will tell you that i have asked him many a question and he has been the most helpful IMO. But that's not to say that everyone else isn't helping, it's just that i feel like he understands my questions perhaps bc he has struggled the same way i have.
I have never had a personal lesson with Stan about Pro/one but even Stan has said that it might be the only way he can diagnose what's going on. I agree bc i learned basic CTE first from Hal. Then i went thru a trial and error phase with no one but SpiderWebbCom to help me. And now im going thru the same trial and error phase with Pro/one. I believe that's whats making me not really understand what im doing wrong.
I might actually be hurting my progression by trying all these funky things. I've seen some threads from others like Beiberlover? where i believe they are trying everything they can to "make" Pro/one work for them, but its just not the Real Pro/one. I'm convinced that there's ONLY one way to do it and that's the way Stan is doing it. I feel like he's probably gone NUTS himself trying to get to where he's at with the system.
I have alot of love for all of us who are learning or already understand Pro/one. The dedication Stan's put into Hals foundation of CTE is a blessing to all pool players. Some of us struggle and it could be over analyzing or just the simple way we learn things. Some read a book and understand, while others need to have physically taught to them.
Whatever the case might be here with Satori here idk for sure. But i felt like he's going thru what im going thru. I don't go and post my every dilemma online but i could see he was looking for help and felt attacked and may have gotten defensive. I really dont know for sure bc he's quite the character at times.
I just know that im waiting for DVD2 and if that doesnt do it... then im going to see Stan no matter what it takes. I don't have the means but he has all the credibility in the pool world and in my opinion as well. Hopefully the 5-6 hrs a day that i waste everyday driving myself crazy with trial and error will shine light and let it dawn on me again like the first time i tried it.
Im not taking anyone's side here. Just here me out...
I have read some of satori's post and i must agree to a degree he has seemed trolling at times. Especially the whole Cross-eyed thing.
On the other hand what i have read in this thread kinda seems like he's looking for an answer. I know im gonna get blasted by some of the ppl who i really respect on this thread. Gerry, Nobcity, STAN, but i have personally asked for help from these guys and they have helped me. So, im sorry if you guys feel like im taking a side when i say this.
I have had my ups and downs with Pro/one. I still believe 100% however it's the BEST out there. I don't know why i'm not connecting with it as strongly as when i first started. Nobcitypool will tell you that i have asked him many a question and he has been the most helpful IMO. But that's not to say that everyone else isn't helping, it's just that i feel like he understands my questions perhaps bc he has struggled the same way i have.
I have never had a personal lesson with Stan about Pro/one but even Stan has said that it might be the only way he can diagnose what's going on. I agree bc i learned basic CTE first from Hal. Then i went thru a trial and error phase with no one but SpiderWebbCom to help me. And now im going thru the same trial and error phase with Pro/one. I believe that's whats making me not really understand what im doing wrong.
I might actually be hurting my progression by trying all these funky things. I've seen some threads from others like Beiberlover? where i believe they are trying everything they can to "make" Pro/one work for them, but its just not the Real Pro/one. I'm convinced that there's ONLY one way to do it and that's the way Stan is doing it. I feel like he's probably gone NUTS himself trying to get to where he's at with the system.
I have alot of love for all of us who are learning or already understand Pro/one. The dedication Stan's put into Hals foundation of CTE is a blessing to all pool players. Some of us struggle and it could be over analyzing or just the simple way we learn things. Some read a book and understand, while others need to have physically taught to them.
Whatever the case might be here with Satori here idk for sure. But i felt like he's going thru what im going thru. I don't go and post my every dilemma online but i could see he was looking for help and felt attacked and may have gotten defensive. I really dont know for sure bc he's quite the character at times.
I just know that im waiting for DVD2 and if that doesnt do it... then im going to see Stan no matter what it takes. I don't have the means but he has all the credibility in the pool world and in my opinion as well. Hopefully the 5-6 hrs a day that i waste everyday driving myself crazy with trial and error will shine light and let it dawn on me again like the first time i tried it.
I am somewhat in the same boat with IamCalvin06.
While yes it seems like trolling at times, a lot of the questions he brings to the table are also questions that I have. I am just reluctant to ask them because I have seen the responses.
I don't understand this system at all. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I have confidence in it because I have seen it demonstrated and I have seen it work. But I too can visualize CTE and ETA, ETB or ETC from various stances and angles. Finding which one is correct is my challenge. And while I hate when posts get derailed as this one and many others have, I still think these are questions that merit answers.
While yes it seems like trolling at times, a lot of the questions he brings to the table are also questions that I have. I am just reluctant to ask them because I have seen the responses.
I don't understand this system at all. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I have confidence in it because I have seen it demonstrated and I have seen it work. But I too can visualize CTE and ETA, ETB or ETC from various stances and angles. Finding which one is correct is my challenge. And while I hate when posts get derailed as this one and many others have, I still think these are questions that merit answers.
Your correct visual focal point for seeing the visuals should be your strongest visual alignment for a straight in shot. For example, if you typically shoot with your cue right between your eyes, then that can be your focal point for acquiring the visuals. If you are severely right eye dominant, then it should be your right eye that picks up all visuals.
When you are in full stance your cue alignment must match your ball address focal point.
It would be a mistake to pick up a visual with your right eye and then move into full stance with your cue under your left eye. The concept is to keep the visual offsets always 1/2 tip away from the shot line. Then when moving into full stance the visual sweep will only be equal to 1/2 tip offset.
There is not a required physical stance for seeing your visuals. In Pro One, it's SEE and SHOOT. You see the visuals and move into your stance. Your body will develop and continually refine your movements from ball address to full stance. There is no wrong way to position yourself during ball address. Some standing positions allow great efficiency while other make the transition to full stance more challenging. What's important is to see the visuals from your strongest visual focal point and from there allow your refinement to sweeping into full stance begin.
CTE PRO ONE is VISUAL. Every shot has the visual offset of a straight in shot. There are 2 moves to CCB. We like straight in shots because there is center to center objectivity. KEEP IN MIND: CTE is visual. It will not align the cue for you. You must have a straight backswing and a great finish in order to consistently pocket balls.
For shots other than the objective straight ins, you must allow yourself to move into center cue ball just as though you were shooting a zero angle shot. TRUST IS HUGE! Your eyes WILL give you the shot line and you must align to it and from there you have to execute a good stroke.
CTE PRO ONE is a PROFESSIONAL system. WHY? Pros address their shots from offsets and sweep to the target, the cue ball. The pros fall on shot lines led by their eyes because their visual intelligence has been through the routine a blue million times.
CTE PRO ONE allows anyone to step into the visual/physical world of a pro from ball address to full stance. With CTE PRO ONE, you can be a leg up on the pros because you can have the description of how to objectively align and physically move into stance.
The importance of this is that the visuals of CTE connect to table geometry. The same process is repeated for all shots.
With real CTE you are allowing your visual intelligence to quickly learn a few visuals that can objectively and consistently take you to shot lines for the zillion shots on actable's surface.
The best practice is to learn the visuals and become keenly aware of how you body moves as you sweep into the cue ball. ALSO, you must have great cue alignment to shot lines. AND you must possess a well structured stroke.
Please refer to my LESSON in CTE PRO ONE on YouTube.
I appreciate your continued interest in CTE PRO ONE.
Stan Shuffett
Excellent post and explanation Stan! I can relate to these guys struggles and frustration. At first, the visuals may be a bit of a challenge. However, IMHO, the visuals really aren't that much of a problem. It is developing precise and repeatable movements into CCB and a fundamentally sound stroke that is the challenge. I more or less skipped CTE and worked on Pro One from the start. I think this may have been a mistake. I'm now spending time going back and learning CTE. One of the first things CTE showed me was that I was slightly off in placing my bridge hand with Pro One.
I am a hard sell as Stan will attest. I'm now 100% convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt this system is far and away the best thing anyone can use if they aspire to become a very good pool player. Do not be confused however, it is not easy and will require lots and lots of table time. Those committed should try to find a way to see Stan or Stevie for a lesson.
However you see a straight in shot is the way you should see all shots visually (eye positioning) and how you should try and pick up the pro1 alignments. Do a self analysis how "you" visually (eye's) see a straight in shot and your body always follows and you will be GTG! pretty simple
Interesting. I'll give that a try tomorrow.
Eh - I think he might have been trolling.
Right now we'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but his future actions if he breaks his word will give us the answer to his TRUE intentions.
Right now we'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but his future actions if he breaks his word will give us the answer to his TRUE intentions.
I don't want to jinx anything... But I ~think~ I am starting to get the hang of the visuals and pivots/sweeps. I started using my Jim Rempe training ball since its marked at the quarters and eights. Turns out I have been lining up my A/C shots with the area in between A and 1/8th & C and 1/8th. So that has helped a bit.
I am a little more conscious of the difference between my sweeps now. Being right handed, I look at a right sweep as more of a move-straight-in, and left sweeps are more of a swinging in motion. Still analyzing it.
If someone can clear something up for me.
Say you are doing a cut to the right, using aim point C. Doing a "right sweep" will give a thinner hit, and left sweep will thicken it up a bit?
visa versa
If doing a cut to the left, using aim point A. Doing a right sweep will be the thicker, and left sweep will be a bit thinner?
I am still figuring out what I am doing with my eyes, and after about 4 hours of practice today, my vision is blurry and fatigued. I am not sure if my eyes are moving to the left or right yet, but consciously I have been treating these as I would straight in shots. So once I shift my head around and pick up the visuals, my eyes move straight down to wherever center cue ball happens to be. Does that sound about right?
Thanks to everyone for the help on this system.
I am a little more conscious of the difference between my sweeps now. Being right handed, I look at a right sweep as more of a move-straight-in, and left sweeps are more of a swinging in motion. Still analyzing it.
If someone can clear something up for me.
Say you are doing a cut to the right, using aim point C. Doing a "right sweep" will give a thinner hit, and left sweep will thicken it up a bit?
visa versa
If doing a cut to the left, using aim point A. Doing a right sweep will be the thicker, and left sweep will be a bit thinner?
I am still figuring out what I am doing with my eyes, and after about 4 hours of practice today, my vision is blurry and fatigued. I am not sure if my eyes are moving to the left or right yet, but consciously I have been treating these as I would straight in shots. So once I shift my head around and pick up the visuals, my eyes move straight down to wherever center cue ball happens to be. Does that sound about right?
Thanks to everyone for the help on this system.
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vhal, the direction terms depend upon whether it is CTE or Pro One. Since you keep referencing the eyes, I'll assume you mean Pro One. If you are cutting the ball to the right with a ETC visual, if you sweep left, you're thickening the ball, sweep right to thin it out. In other words, the direction your head/eyes moves is the same as the terminology. With CTE, it is just the opposite. And yes, vice versa for a left cut, ETA visual.
All shots with CTE/Pro One should be treated as straight in shots. Once you've found the correct visual and pivot/sweep into the CB correctly, it is a matter of putting a straight stroke on the CB. You pivot/sweep to CCB.
All shots with CTE/Pro One should be treated as straight in shots. Once you've found the correct visual and pivot/sweep into the CB correctly, it is a matter of putting a straight stroke on the CB. You pivot/sweep to CCB.
Any left cut will need to be thickened or thinned.
LEFT CUTS:
A right sweep means the eyes will move to the outside or away from the direction of the cut. This outside sweep in PRO ONE eliminates the need to do the manual pivot. An outside manual pivot for a left cut would require that the eyes move directly straight in to a fixed CB placing the tip 1/2 tip right of the CB's ventricle axis and actually turning the tip left to CCB.
A left sweep means the eyes will move left to the inside in the same direction as the cut. This left inside movement will allow for the shot to be thinned. With the left visual sweep there is no pivot. The manual CTE pivot to the inside means that the eyes move directly straight in to the fixed CB and then placing the tip 1/2 tip left of CCB. Then the cue is turned or pivoted to the right.
Reverse the above info for right cuts.
Stan Shuffett
LEFT CUTS: Doesn't the outside sweep going away from the direction of the cut, create a thinner cut?There for the inside sweep would create a thick hit?
It would seem so on paper, but not in actual use. Not sure why, but outside thickens and inside thins.
Just think IN is THIN.
Thanks
I actually thought you guys created some of your thick and thin hits like the picture here.(off the same line ups)
Sorry, i was in kind of a hurry .
Bad picture.
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Think you read it wrong, the EYES go outside to perform the sweep for a thick cut.