CTE/PRO ONE video--CANCELLED

SJDinPHX said:
Joey,

I find it no less than amazing, How all of the old gunner's, who never even heard of CTE, or BHE, (or any of the dozens of new acronyms)... ever made a ball !!! Thank God for the age of information. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I wonder how Strickland, Mc Cready, RA, Efren, etc.... or any of those guy's, ever enjoyed such success, without this valuable information.
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Same thing goes for Ghost Ball. How in the world did anyone ever shoot a ball in without the imaginary ball sitting there?

Dick it's about people's need to define their world and figure out HOW something is done.

If the world's best archer would say that he looks to the left and coughs three times before swiveling back to position and firing then ten thousand people would be trying the Bob Smith Left Cough system and a good number of people would be trying to figure out how it could possibly work, what are the physics involved, what is the psychological aspect etc...

Some people like yourself - they just do it and don't really think about the how - other people like me they need the how and why. Because I tried the just do it method and didn't get far enough. I lost a lot of money to people trying the just do it method.

I would guess that Jimmy Reid and David Matlock are probably in your "old gunners" category.

I have spoken with both of them extensively about pool. They fit in the analytical camp of people who want to understand the how and why of pool. Both of them study systems and have systems firmly integrated in their game. Now I don't know at what point they did this - early when they were first learning or later after they were world class - no idea. But they definitely use and promote systems to help with playing world class pool.

And I am equally sure that there are players out there who never gave any systems a second thought and just play totally naturally entirely self-taught. If that works then great.

Diamond systems for banking and kicking have been around for at least 100 years in print. Yet very few players today even know of them much less have integrated them into their game.

How much better would we be as a pool playing nation if everyone learned them from the start? Most people would then come to a point where they see the kick tracks in a heartbeat and it would seem very natural.
 
CreeDo said:
Joe Tucker has a good video on the various ways to apply english and basically seems to say if you could pick just one, BHE should be the one. Front hand is okay too, parallel is terrible. He uses and recommends a mix of BHE and FHE. But favoring the back hand.
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FYI, I have links to many videos and resources on this topic, including Joe's video, here:

Regards,
Dave
 
Hairy-Redneck said:
Yes I may not have hundreds of posts to be credible to you. But I have been a long time lurker and Dr Dave just posts alot of good stuff on the web but at the same time he posts a lot of nonsense on here. Yes he may have his VEPS but that doesn't mean he knows how to play.
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You should view his last video "Basic Shotmaking". Very nice draw stroke. You are entitled to your opinion no matter how baseless it may be.
 
Roger Long said:
Why is parallel english terrible?
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Well those are his words, but I think I agree. Basically when you offset just the butt, or just the tip, the entire cue's position relative to the ball doesn't change much. I don't know the physics of it (paging Dr. Dave) but it seems like since the cue's general position (relative to whitey) remains the same, the object ball travels in nearly the same direction as with a normal center ball hit. There's deflection but it's not too bad.

When you move the entire cue for parallel english, all that cue mass is hitting off to one side and the object ball deflects a TON. The cue ball comes off the tip at an angle... almost the same way it would if another ball were striking it (if that makes any sense).

On top of that, since your whole cue moves, your body/stance/head/eyes all shift to accomodate it. To get down on the shot with your normal stance and sighting, you're now viewing the line of the shot from a half-inch-off position. I've tried it and it feels very awkward, as if you can't sight the shot properly anymore and are standing in the wrong place.
 
CreeDo said:
Well those are his words, but I think I agree. Basically when you offset just the butt, or just the tip, the entire cue's position relative to the ball doesn't change much. I don't know the physics of it (paging Dr. Dave) but it seems like since the cue's general position (relative to whitey) remains the same, the object ball travels in nearly the same direction as with a normal center ball hit. There's deflection but it's not too bad.

When you move the entire cue for parallel english, all that cue mass is hitting off to one side and the object ball deflects a TON. The cue ball comes off the tip at an angle... almost the same way it would if another ball were striking it (if that makes any sense).

On top of that, since your whole cue moves, your body/stance/head/eyes all shift to accomodate it. To get down on the shot with your normal stance and sighting, you're now viewing the line of the shot from a half-inch-off position. I've tried it and it feels very awkward, as if you can't sight the shot properly anymore and are standing in the wrong place.
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Good answers, and just what I expected, but I don't think things really work that way. I've seen Dr. Dave's videos on this subject, and I've been meaning to discuss it with him. There may be another fly in the ointment. :wink:

Roger
 
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