Sorry, they are .
Stan spent THOUSANDS OF HOURS working on it .
Then THOUSANDS OF HOURS more in creating the new book.
Not hundreds. THOUSANDS.
Perfection takes time.
Sorry, they are .
Stan spent THOUSANDS OF HOURS working on it .
Then THOUSANDS OF HOURS more in creating the new book.
Not hundreds. THOUSANDS.
Sorry, they are .
Stan spent THOUSANDS OF HOURS working on it .
Then THOUSANDS OF HOURS more in creating the new book.
Not hundreds. THOUSANDS.
He has always lined up every shot with his cue to the left, then on the final stroke he strikes the cb wherever he intends to strike it. It's not the "manual pivoting" involved with any aiming system. The commentator (Freddie Agnir) points this out on the first rack when Saez is breaking.
This is a side note that has nothing to do with the above but is a FYI that you may not know. I don't know how much pool Fred is playing these days or what he does but he became a dedicated user of CTE a number of years back and a staunch defender of the system. He is also an engineer...not on a train.
When the CCB forum (Billiards Digest) was up and running, there was an epic CTE flame war with probably 100 pages and Fred pretty much single handedly was the pro CTE defender against all onslaughts. Hal Houle was still alive and posted in the thread. Stan wasn't involved with it at the time nor posted.
It was like everything else just as it is here. Two groups clashing with the naysayers who didn't know how to use it nor ever tried to learn it screaming how it couldn't possibly work based on the math and other half assed claims.
Fred knows complex math as much as if not more than all of them. It's not about math. It's ALL about vision and how to see the balls. It takes work whereas everyone wants a quick fix straight out of the box to perform like magic immediately.
Some things never change.
This is a side note that has nothing to do with the above but is a FYI that you may not know. I don't know how much pool Fred is playing these days or what he does but he became a dedicated user of CTE a number of years back and a staunch defender of the system. He is also an engineer...not on a train.
When the CCB forum (Billiards Digest) was up and running, there was an epic CTE flame war with probably 100 pages and Fred pretty much single handedly was the pro CTE defender against all onslaughts. Hal Houle was still alive and posted in the thread. Stan wasn't involved with it at the time nor posted.
It was like everything else just as it is here. Two groups clashing with the naysayers who didn't know how to use it nor ever tried to learn it screaming how it couldn't possibly work based on the math and other half assed claims.
Fred knows complex math as much as if not more than all of them. It's not about math. It's ALL about vision and how to see the balls. It takes work whereas everyone wants a quick fix straight out of the box to perform like magic immediately.
Some things never change.
I've communicated with Freddie on exactly how he uses CTE. He learned it from Hal and modified it for his own purposes. I know exactly how Freddie's method works and it makes complete physical sense. However, it makes use of contact points and 7 aim points on each side of the ob to get you close to that aim point.
That's not CTE. With 7 aim points or contact points. He's pretty much using Joe Tucker's contact point aiming system which has 9.
Not knocking CTE, just clarifying what Freddie does. It's a horse of a different color.
That's not the way it was when the flame war thread came out. Fred said nothing like that at all. Hal Houle was still alive and posted in there himself. If Fred had posted something like that at the time, Hal would have jumped right in to correct it.
I've communicated with Freddie on exactly how he uses CTE. He learned it from Hal and modified it for his own purposes. I know exactly how Freddie's method works and it makes complete physical sense. However, it makes use of contact points and 7 aim points on each side of the ob to get you close to that aim point.
I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but Freddie said that if you don't have trouble visualizing ghost ball and aiming the cb into space off the side of the ob then you don't need CTE.
Not knocking CTE, just clarifying what Freddie does. It's a horse of a different color.
Another excellent side note about Freddie. It puts things into proper perspective. I think that's one of the pitfalls that Stan has had to struggle with over the years -- the many personal variations of CTE being used that don't exactly coincide with what Stan is teaching. But that's to be expected. I mean, I've read the system instructions in Hal's letter. There's not much to it, so anybody can take that information and add to it or modify it to make it work for them in whatever manner they can.
He has always lined up every shot with his cue to the left, then on the final stroke he strikes the cb wherever he intends to strike it. It's not the "manual pivoting" involved with any aiming system. The commentator (Freddie Agnir) points this out on the first rack when Saez is breaking.
Well go ask him. He gave me a start to finish procedure 1,2,3 and it isn't anything like your version of CTE. He learned from Hal and didn't really even know who Stan was. I don't know if he started out one way and morphed into what he told me, but there's no mystery to what he does. I have a feeling the flame wars early on were a bit different from what they are now.
I've never used his name because I'm sure he doesn't want to be dragged into this. I just had to set the record straight and I'll leave it at that.
Personal variations are done with all aiming systems and I'm sure it's done with Poolology. I know it was done with Joe Tucker's system so there wouldn't be as many contact points to visualize. Sure, CTE also.
But someone else doing what an individual who changes it does might not make it as fool proof and certainly not as beneficial for other players. Change it enough times between multiple individuals and it isn't even the same process or aiming system.
Sure others have taken Hal's info and adapted it one way or the other, but Stan totally completed the work.Another excellent side note about Freddie. It puts things into proper perspective. I think that's one of the pitfalls that Stan has had to struggle with over the years -- the many personal variations of CTE being used that don't exactly coincide with what Stan is teaching. But that's to be expected. I mean, I've read the system instructions in Hal's letter. There's not much to it, so anybody can take that information and add to it or modify it to make it work for them in whatever manner they can.
I talked to Robb a few years ago. He didn't admit to using a system but it is very interesting how he pivots.
Sure others have taken Hal's info and adapted it one way or the other, but Stan totally completed the work.
You have to remember, Hal put out vague information. He gave Stan vague information for the most part. It is Stan who broke that information down, top to bottom, A to Z. Stan dissected it and put it back together. Stan's finished work is a thing of beauty and those interested won't have any issues with the info.
You right. And there's no way around that, no way to prevent that from happening. But sometimes it can lead to something better I suppose.
I have a feeling the flame wars early on were a bit different from what they are now.
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Or it could lead to something worse which makes them stop using it and vilifying it for the rest of their life. (that is after the original creator is totally castrated for the world to see)