CTErs vs. Ghostballers

Any aiming system uses your own visual perception. Even aiming at diamonds is your own perception. There are no lasers on the table. No grids. No nothing. Just you and your perception of how to execute a shot. If you can't use your visual perception to imagine the contact point of two round objects at different angles. Then chances are your visual perception that is used in any aiming system is not going to be very good as well. Maybe your one of the people who drive over the center line or can't park between the lines. I don't know. I see even the lowest skilled players in league pretty much know how to aim. Even bangers. There mechanics just suck.

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And what would be the game of choice? As the previous poster mentions, he's only a barbox player. I'm on the opposite side of the fence -- I play only on 9-footers (and snooker tables on occasion), and even then, I'm just not into short-rack rotation games.

Count me in for the "pony up your fundamentals, and just get down and shoot the shot dammit" camp (i.e. the ghostball or feel camp). But not specifically for the purposes of advocacy! (As most know, I'm a fan of whatever you need to shoot and enjoy pool better.) Rather, I would enjoy the match-up, the conversation and the company, and the competition.

-Sean

You've played Barton, right? What do you think the typical score would be if you played him regularly, say, 9 ball race to 9?
 
I bet Sean won't answer that question. He's too classy. But I'll take a stab at it. I bet Sean could give him 4 on the wire in a race to 9 and it would be close.

Just a guess.
 
We already have a test, several of them. Colin Colenso's pocketing test, highest score, CTE user.

Dr. Dave's Billiard University, highest score, CTE user.

I don't understand something, we all agree that aiming is only ONE part of playing and yet supposedly matching up is supposed to prove that one aiming system is better than another?

Take the objective pocketing tests and beat the scores of the top system aimers first. Like when we were kids in the arcades, got to beat the high score to be able to put your name on top.

I am all for matching up but that doesn't solve anything.
 
I bet Sean won't answer that question. He's too classy. But I'll take a stab at it. I bet Sean could give him 4 on the wire in a race to 9 and it would be close.

Just a guess.

If you want to back Sean giving me weight then we can try it. I don't need any weight from Sean in rotation games for sure. That's my opinion, might not be anyone else's.
 
I think it solves everything

We already have a test, several of them. Colin Colenso's pocketing test, highest score, CTE user.

Dr. Dave's Billiard University, highest score, CTE user.

I don't understand something, we all agree that aiming is only ONE part of playing and yet supposedly matching up is supposed to prove that one aiming system is better than another?

Take the objective pocketing tests and beat the scores of the top system aimers first. Like when we were kids in the arcades, got to beat the high score to be able to put your name on top.

I am all for matching up but that doesn't solve anything.

JB,
I understand what youre saying, you may or may not have a valid point I will agree not to argue that.

I think having some matchups and activity solves.......everything.

You are a pool case guy. If people do not become active they are not inclined to throw the elcheapo case and buy something that they are proud to carry their cues in.

If CTE is so wonderful the absolute best thing is to expose the public to it via matchups.

Probably the proving which is best is one of those things where 6 of one and a half dozen of another are the same, but at least some folks went down swinging, had a good time and some new activity was found around a central idea...competition and its interesting.

But the incessant hair splitting over whether or not someone is a Ghost Baller by definition elicited by Neil to me is something I just have little time for. Yes the Ghost Ball by definition has been around a long time and Ghost Ball play has transitioned people use it as a delivery method to whatever point they see to deliver to.

My own personal opinion is that its not an aiming mechanism but a delivery mechanism but that's me. I however do think that for purposes of dividing people into 2 groups we can use the term Ghostballers and Cters but that's just me.

So I have to argue that some activity around this would be a great thing whether its solves a damn thing or not to me is absolutely beside the point, even if that struggle is given Top Billing. I could care less about getting into the car and driving somewhere to go to a shotmaking contest but if you give me a chance to compete, meet some good people, make some new friends, talk about pool, drink some beers and socialize......Awesome dude.

For the people that know nothing about CTE/RealCTE when other people talk about it especially if they are more traditional players, useability is something that I believe is a concern. If people find that's its useable and are made aware of how good it is would that be a bad thing? Is it necessary that we have a winner in the war of aiming? Probably not but it gives us something to talk about and this debate has been going on how long? Lmao. I came into it in 2007 when I joined Az. I think its awesome and possibly a new vehicle for activity.
 
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Why don't we make a team of CTE users - non pros and a team of ghost ball users and play for $10,000

LIke the Durbin Cup but for money.

All the players have to be AZBers, all of them have to known debaters and they have to say that they have never used any Hal Houle derived system on the GB side of it.

The stakes are $10,000 and the losers leave town (AZB's aiming discussions) FOREVER.

Five on five, 8 ball, 14.1, 10 ball, one pocket, bank AND Dr. Dave's Billiard University test.

Let's rock it. 2k per man.
 
Na Ill pass

Why don't we make a team of CTE users - non pros and a team of ghost ball users and play for $10,000

LIke the Durbin Cup but for money.

All the players have to be AZBers, all of them have to known debaters and they have to say that they have never used any Hal Houle derived system on the GB side of it.

The stakes are $10,000 and the losers leave town (AZB's aiming discussions) FOREVER.

Five on five, 8 ball, 14.1, 10 ball, one pocket, bank AND Dr. Dave's Billiard University test.

Let's rock it. 2k per man.

That just doesn't interest me...and I don't think it would interest many others and one match isn't going to prove much but data from hundreds of match ups might by something you can crow about.

However I don't think your idea is so bad, a publicity type, streamed event, covered by pool mags but something similar to that might be held as a finals to a series of events and not just out of thin air. The stakes are a bit high and I see no reason we couldn't get sponsors involved. I personally don't care to wager on it and I think gambling on individual matches is something from an organizing standpoint should be avoided.
 
Well, here is my offer. Anyone who is a "ghostballer" and who has identified themselves as an anti-cte person who is NOT a semi-pro or above can get played a friendly race to nine for $50 if we happen to be in the same place.

I travel a lot so check in and get your easy $50, I will even buy the first round.

Or put your name and location on a list and occasionally I can check it and look you up when I get to your town.
 
I am not a ghost baller nor anti CTE but I would like to play anyway if you are traveling through Baltimore sometime.


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I am not a ghost baller nor anti CTE but I would like to play anyway if you are traveling through Baltimore sometime.


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Absolutely Tony. The offer to play cheap sets for fun and beer is open to anyone. I was just making the GB criteria to satisfy Robin's desire for data on the outcomes.
 
Why don't we make a team of CTE users - non pros and a team of ghost ball users and play for $10,000

LIke the Durbin Cup but for money.

All the players have to be AZBers, all of them have to known debaters and they have to say that they have never used any Hal Houle derived system on the GB side of it.

The stakes are $10,000 and the losers leave town (AZB's aiming discussions) FOREVER.

Five on five, 8 ball, 14.1, 10 ball, one pocket, bank AND Dr. Dave's Billiard University test.

Let's rock it. 2k per man.

Im in John......
 
Well, here is my offer. Anyone who is a "ghostballer" and who has identified themselves as an anti-cte person who is NOT a semi-pro or above can get played a friendly race to nine for $50 if we happen to be in the same place.

I travel a lot so check in and get your easy $50, I will even buy the first round.

Or put your name and location on a list and occasionally I can check it and look you up when I get to your town.

Will you be at BCA Nationals in July?
 
GhostBaller

Well, here is my offer. Anyone who is a "ghostballer" and who has identified themselves as an anti-cte person who is NOT a semi-pro or above can get played a friendly race to nine for $50 if we happen to be in the same place.

I travel a lot so check in and get your easy $50, I will even buy the first round.

Or put your name and location on a list and occasionally I can check it and look you up when I get to your town.

John,
For purposes of the competition I will identify myself as a Ghost Baller . I am not anti CTE but when you get to the area I will find the time to come meet you and play. It can be gambling or friendly. I will buy the second round. I will make the time to play anyone in North Carolina and lower Virginia who identifies themselves as a CTE player as I am curious about it and how one plays on the CTE. It can be social or low stakes. I work during the week so Saturday nights and Sundays are best for me right now. I will reasonably travel for this event. Private message me to set up time and place.
 
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Why don't we make a team of CTE users - non pros and a team of ghost ball users and play for $10,000

LIke the Durbin Cup but for money.

All the players have to be AZBers, all of them have to known debaters and they have to say that they have never used any Hal Houle derived system on the GB side of it.

The stakes are $10,000 and the losers leave town (AZB's aiming discussions) FOREVER.

Five on five, 8 ball, 14.1, 10 ball, one pocket, bank AND Dr. Dave's Billiard University test.

Let's rock it. 2k per man.

Not that this will ever happen but why would the losing players have to leave the Aiming Forum?

I mean -- someone we all know and love on AZ recently lost 10k and he's still around.

This place gets way too boring for me without the back-n-forth stuff.
 
Not that this will ever happen but why would the losing players have to leave the Aiming Forum?

I mean -- someone we all know and love on AZ recently lost 10k and he's still around.

This place gets way too boring for me without the back-n-forth stuff.

Because if playing is supposed to settle the debate then perhaps both sides would be willing to give up their right to argue about if they get whipped. I wasn't willing to do that. But if you get a team of CTE players vs Gb players i will be willing to do it.

Not because it would prove it one way or the other but because I am confident the cte players would win.
 
Well, here is my offer. Anyone who is a "ghostballer" and who has identified themselves as an anti-cte person who is NOT a semi-pro or above can get played a friendly race to nine for $50 if we happen to be in the same place.

I travel a lot so check in and get your easy $50, I will even buy the first round.

Or put your name and location on a list and occasionally I can check it and look you up when I get to your town.

50 lousy dollars? Is that it?

:rolleyes:
 
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