Cue buying and selling.. needs some help.. Jeez WTF

classiccues

classiccues

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I will say that the recent trend of bad dealings, temper postings, and scam reports is going to FIX the cue market. :grin:

No ONE is going to want to sell, buy or trade any f'ing thing because you just don't know WTF is going to happen. I don't know if its the state of the market being the cause of the issues but damn..

Straight, not straight, dings vs. DINGS, Yes, I'll take it vs. Being a mangina and cancelling / lying / being a (Insert Dr. Wu here)

Same with payment options... who wants to sell when a guy will reverse a charge in a second because he doesn't like the hit, or you said it was 19.5 oz and its really 19.485? What prevents someone from back-charging and not returning the cue, or someone like US with a return policy gets back charged on the 4th day? Anyone ever explain to a CC company you have a published policy and their reversal is in violation of it? Good luck with that....

You almost need to a clergyman to sell a cue, because when you ship it, you're just praying....:)

JV
 
classiccues said:
. I don't know if its the state of the market being the cause of the issues but damn..
JV
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What is really hurting a lot of sellers (flippers) is that the market is fresh out
of $uckers willing to pay stupid money for yesterdays AZB hyped up :"next big
name" cuemaker.

This leaves the seller (flipper) thinking the cue market is bad, when in reality
he was the last $ucker on the cue.
 
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Sounds like a speech I gave recently in a south Texas pro shop. I think asiadad actually listened....

I can't tell you the number of people that have been disappointed after waiting for a cue to be built (some for almost a decade), or buying into the hype of this forum of the greatest thing since sliced bread only to get just another cue when their current cue plays just as well if not better.

And yes, the flippers are running out of suckers. Why? Mainly because the market it saturated with lumber, and cues that used to be marked up a hunski or two...are now marked up a grand or more.
 
asiasdad said:
What is really hurting a lot of sellers (flippers) is that the market is fresh out
of $uckers willing to pay stupid money for yesterdays AZB hyped up :"next big
name" cuemaker.

This leaves the seller (flipper) thinking the cue market is bad, when in reality
he was the last $ucker on the cue.
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lol, nice. i agree.
 
oscar8 said:
HAHAHAHAHA. look at that, seems my little thread was on point.http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=362742 a flipper crying like a little ***** bc he cant take advantage of anyone anymore. and all the smartasses with the comments, this proves my point. I WIN LIKE CHARLIE SHEEN :woot::woot::woot::dance::dance::killingme::killingme::nanner::nanner:
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I expect that you'll be banned shortly for coming back or having a duplicate screen name. However no one is crying, infact I was just commenting on the state of affairs.... nothing more nothing less...

JV
 
asiasdad said:
What is really hurting a lot of sellers (flippers) is that the market is fresh out
of $uckers willing to pay stupid money for yesterdays AZB hyped up :"next big
name" cuemaker.

This leaves the seller (flipper) thinking the cue market is bad, when in reality
he was the last $ucker on the cue.
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Lot's of truth in those few sentences, Sir. I would add that we
are witnessing a new crop of shit-bags in the W/FS arena.

(tried to give you Green)
 
classiccues said:
I expect that you'll be banned shortly for coming back or having a duplicate screen name. However no one is crying, infact I was just commenting on the state of affairs.... nothing more nothing less...

JV
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if I get kicked out so be it. Everyone assumes that a cue will end up being collectible, so if its custom built, the resale price is hiked up. its the biggest scam in billiards today. its a piece of wood that is used to hit things with, if its used it should lose value or even sold second hand new for that matter, period. Just bc you spent your days buying and selling cues it doesn't mean that your word is law. balabushka, spain, ginacue, yeah, I get it, they changed the cue game and their cues are correctly collectable, but explain to me why you buy a sugartree for $800 and re sell it for $1100?? or an olney for $1000 and resell it for $1400 or any other cue?? those numbers are example, not fact, just to make a point. so, If I buy a cue and use it, I expect to lose money on it if I resell it, I got what I needed out of it. but no, this guy MAYBE ONE DAY MIGHT BE COLLECTIBLE, so his cue is resold for that much more. ITS A SCAM, YOU'RE A SCAM ARTIST AND SO IS EVERYONE WHO FLIPS CUES. sry, its the way I see it, you can red me, get me kicked out, I'll surivive.
 
Lol, I think Joe is saying the same thing you are Oscar...errr, whoever the heck you are this week. :)
 
When did it become a bad thing to make money?

That being said I gave up trying to figure out the cue market. Now I just buy what I like. Some are cheap some are more. Does anyone really care, probably not.

It is distressing to see so many people inaccurately portray their stuff , Lie , cheat and steal . There have always been these people it just seem to be more prevelant lately.
 
Well I don't buy Sugartrees or Olneys so I have no idea what you're talking about. Btw Oscar you're last post speaks for a lot of people I think you might want to reword it to "what I think", not "everyone". There is something called supply and demand. However that was not about what I posted, I posted about the way people act, and have been acting in deals.

JV
 
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classiccues said:
Well I don't buy Sugartrees or Olneys so I have no idea what you're talking about. Btw Oscar you're last post speaks for a lot of people I think you might want to reword it to "what I think", not "everyone". There is something called supply and demand. However that was not about what I posted, I posted about the way people act, and have been acting in deals.

JV
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well sir, than I think I agree with you. and yes it is my opinion, not everyone.
 
If a person looks at both sides objectively Oscar, I can agree with some or a good part of what you posted, altho a tad harsh toward a few of the decent members here. I guess that you haven't been around long enuff to have made that opinion on who are the good guys and the not so good guys.

Thats why I don't get myself all in a tizzy when I check out the Sale section.

I have a few nice cues but none worth over a thousand. It would have to be pretty dern special for me to spend that much considering that one of my best bar cues to play with cost me lots less than $100 before I gave it a working over.

I have a couple of customs that are plain but to me, worth the money that I paid for them.

Once, I posted or asked how someone could sell a Dennis Searing bar cue conversion for over 3 K. Like what could be possibly done to that cue to make it play like one of his custom cues. Only so many things, right, or at least you would think so.

Someone came back and said, "its because you are getting one of Dennis's shafts with it.

OK, so you get what would normally be $200 for a decent bar cue conversion, and that may be a tad on the high end, and then that makes a custom Searing shaft worth $3000,00. Or was it having the Big S on the cue that made it worth that much.

Anyway, of the 2 Searing bar cue conversions that I have seen, one on AZ and the other on both AZ and on EBay, they went for a good price so what do I know in the Grand Scheme.

All I know is that neither of them is in one of my cue cases.

And Classic wasn't whining about the ability to actually sell cues, as he has been doing for some time now. It was the state of which it has become.

The hassle that it is at this point compared to what it was like not long ago.

The charge backs, the rip offs and many other problems etc, that one didn't have to experience at one time.

There is a difference between a Cue Flipper and a person that makes a living from selling, that has a few ins and maybe special privileges with certain well known makers that would allow them to get first choice, a better price etc, that would allow them to sell at a reasonable price to someone that would not have that type of access
to a ready made custom that fast.

One has to be in the business for some time and work at it to get that respect from makers. Thats no different than a company that is essentially a middleman from the manufacturer to the contractor or general public.

Its the people that buy from people like Classic and instantly try and flip them at exaggerated prices with the hopes of also making a quick buck.

Cue dealers vs Flippers. Anyway, Dealers often have feelers out to many areas for different cues. If you were to ask and put in a request, who is to say that a Cue Dealer wouldn't or couldn't find you what you are looking for in used and at a better price than a Flipper. Ever thought of going that route?
Might be worth a try rather than Ranking them instead of working with them.

I tried that stuff locally with new cues at one point. I invested money and usually broke even or lost money so I finally figured out that I was in the wrong Biz. I started doing repairs instead as it was better money and a ton easier.

Anyway, thats my nickels worth.
 
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Str8PoolPlayer said:
I would add that we
are witnessing a new crop of shit-bags in the W/FS arena.
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There's a new crop of AZer in all of the arena's, new members all the time.
We had our fair share of "shit-bags" back in the day, and I'm not talking about the notorious guys that keep getting banned, I'm talking about professional shit-bags.
Vulnerability is becoming an issue for buyers & sellers over here vs. places like Ebay, where sales are more structured.
I don't think the AZ brass would mind if we took all of it over to Ebay, so it is what it is.

The more we complain the worse it will be for the WFS, so people need to get it together, and stop jacking people around.
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned how poorly some of these new threads are put together, un-priced or over-priced with no specs and bad pics, just like Craigslist.
 
Everyone has to pay their rent and eat. I see nothing wrong with charging what you need to charge. I say that if you think the price is too high, try and negotiate something.

If that won't work, just move on until you find a cue that meets your needs. There are hundreds of individuals selling their cues all the time. Some flip a cue because it is the business they are in. They provide a great service because most of the time they go out and invest to find top quality cues that fit their business model. If it is a special cue and you really love it then go for it!

Buy low, sell high to whatever the traffic will bare. Basic!

--Jeff
 
Agreed, it's much harder to sell anything on AZ now but I think it just a reflection on how the wanted/FS section have changed with all these new rules. The atmosphere have definitely changed and there just seem to be less buyers every year partly due to the economy and mostly due to the market maturing (over supplied right now with the wrong cues and weak demand). Also, It's just a natural progression when the sellers and buyers becomes more educated about the cue market....this of course mean that the margin of cues will go down. Don't get me wrong..there are still a few good deals and I've been slowly seeing a lot more lately but unfortunately...the demand side is too weak so they don't look as tempting as before.

Just have to buy right and sell right in this market but most importantly buy what you want to keep and play with. Worst case, you have a great playing cue to hit balls with...works great if you also needs to be on a diet :).

Good Luck.



classiccues said:
I will say that the recent trend of bad dealings, temper postings, and scam reports is going to FIX the cue market. :grin:

No ONE is going to want to sell, buy or trade any f'ing thing because you just don't know WTF is going to happen. I don't know if its the state of the market being the cause of the issues but damn..

Straight, not straight, dings vs. DINGS, Yes, I'll take it vs. Being a mangina and cancelling / lying / being a (Insert Dr. Wu here)

Same with payment options... who wants to sell when a guy will reverse a charge in a second because he doesn't like the hit, or you said it was 19.5 oz and its really 19.485? What prevents someone from back-charging and not returning the cue, or someone like US with a return policy gets back charged on the 4th day? Anyone ever explain to a CC company you have a published policy and their reversal is in violation of it? Good luck with that....

You almost need to a clergyman to sell a cue, because when you ship it, you're just praying....:)

JV
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Cue market

I have been seeing a lot of cues lately on az. I love cue porn and I love having az around to buy or just see all types of cue makers. Supply and demand are huge right now. Demand not so much. I remember when someone would post a sw cue on here and it would be gone a a matter of minutes. Sw cues have gone up in price for a while but now you see them sitting around more. I'm actually looking for one here before to long but right now 4500 dollars doesn't cut it for me but there is always a supply and demand and there are always scammers. With a weak buyer market right now cues might start coming down in price. Do your homework on people you do business with. I recently had a deal on az that I had to back out on unfortunately because of personal reasons. But communicate and be truthful with people you do deals with. Basic business practices. Same as real estate or cues. It's all the same.
 
I guess I've been lucky or blessed or both so far here. While I'm relatively new here I've made about 7 transactions in the last month sending off my $ to people I really don't know but so far everyone I've dealt with here has been honest and a man of his word which I find very pleasing. I love that I've discovered a place with a plethora of choices in available items. I've seen more that I would like to buy where the seller is maybe a little unrealistic in what they want price wise in this market but at the end of the day if you don't like the price you can make an offer & it's either accepted or not, if they won't budge then you don't have to buy. I feel fortunate that those that I've dealt with have been honest and honorable in their dealings with me.


Why am I the Colonel? Because I always get the chicken
 
This supposed waiting list is a lie. People go around saying X Cue Maker has a certain amount of years waiting list and I contacted them and they say otherwise. As a matter of fact, I don't even ask, they just tell me to expect the cue in X amount of months.

Maybe there is a list for monster cues and big projects but as far as playing cues, those have a short wait time. No surprise that most dealers get allocation from most builders to drive the market.

It has finally come to a point where everyone is killing themselves. People are stuck with a lot of cues that they don't want to let go for cheap. There is still a demand for these cues, just nobody willing to part.

Market can get hot again. These cues just need to come out and show themselves.
 
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