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TeeA

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A friend of a friend showed me some pics of what he thought might be a Mosconi cue. They seemed pretty excited about his find. While I have played the game for many decades, cue identification is not my area of expertise. I suggested and recommended posting on AZ where I know answers can be found. I visit this site multiple times daily always seeking anything that might improve my game.

Following an initial post, a member recommended I repost in the Cue & Case Gallery. The sarcastic replies were disappointing to say the least. It reminded me of working in my last career in corrections where cons would wait in the bushes to pounce upon new meat. This burned out clique, with its thousands of combined posts and vast cue building and recognition expertise, could only suggest I use the cue for stickball, tomato stakes and firewood.

Lesson learned--my first and last post in that forum. I recently upgraded to Gold membership feeling obligated to support AZ for all of the valuable info I have gleamed over the years. I feel good about the upgrade despite this minor setback. I'm a fast learner.

Have a great day and keep the great posts coming. Got to get those tomato plants in the ground.
 
I'm still a good 3 weeks away from being able to put any tomato plants in. Bad winter and a lousy Spring so far. Sure hope we have a good growing season. Oh well, it's up to Mother Nature.

Sorry about your bad experience on the cue. There are a lot of great people on these Forums that are willing to help out a fellow pool player. Don't let a few negate the good of many.

Good luck with your tomatoes.
 
During my times on internet forums I have also noted that sometimes people can be rather inconsiderate. It's a shame.

Well good luck for your team in the stickball league.
 
It was a joke, they were all jokes. There are some things that are amusing to the regulars here, and I am sorry if I burst your bubble. It has nothing to do with you being new meat, it had to do with the cue itself. Had a veteran poster posted that, the replies would have been the same I assure you, in fact there are quite a few.

When someone posts an imported brand cue and you can read into the post that they have a sense that they think they have found a Norman Rockwell painting when in fact they found a velvet Elvis, well it is kind of funny.

Its just a more humorous way of saying... sorry the cue isn't worth 5 dollars.

Its nothing personal....

Joe

TeeA said:
A friend of a friend showed me some pics of what he thought might be a Mosconi cue. They seemed pretty excited about his find. While I have played the game for many decades, cue identification is not my area of expertise. I suggested and recommended posting on AZ where I know answers can be found. I visit this site multiple times daily always seeking anything that might improve my game.

Following an initial post, a member recommended I repost in the Cue & Case Gallery. The sarcastic replies were disappointing to say the least. It reminded me of working in my last career in corrections where cons would wait in the bushes to pounce upon new meat. This burned out clique, with its thousands of combined posts and vast cue building and recognition expertise, could only suggest I use the cue for stickball, tomato stakes and firewood.

Lesson learned--my first and last post in that forum. I recently upgraded to Gold membership feeling obligated to support AZ for all of the valuable info I have gleamed over the years. I feel good about the upgrade despite this minor setback. I'm a fast learner.

Have a great day and keep the great posts coming. Got to get those tomato plants in the ground.
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I was all ready to pounce on Ken 4 Fun for his dig but then I checked out the original thread. Yeah lighten up a little. In terms of this board that was pretty mild. Wait for the trolls to come out.
 
TeeA said:
A friend of a friend showed me some pics of what he thought might be a Mosconi cue. They seemed pretty excited about his find. While I have played the game for many decades, cue identification is not my area of expertise. I suggested and recommended posting on AZ where I know answers can be found. I visit this site multiple times daily always seeking anything that might improve my game.

Following an initial post, a member recommended I repost in the Cue & Case Gallery. The sarcastic replies were disappointing to say the least. It reminded me of working in my last career in corrections where cons would wait in the bushes to pounce upon new meat. This burned out clique, with its thousands of combined posts and vast cue building and recognition expertise, could only suggest I use the cue for stickball, tomato stakes and firewood.

Lesson learned--my first and last post in that forum. I recently upgraded to Gold membership feeling obligated to support AZ for all of the valuable info I have gleamed over the years. I feel good about the upgrade despite this minor setback. I'm a fast learner.

Have a great day and keep the great posts coming. Got to get those tomato plants in the ground.
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This is why mentoring is so important these days.

The tomato stake thing is nothing, you should of seen the time I posted pics of my table, which was in my living room, and the kitchen was in the background.
Some smart ass noticed my Euro chopper (as seen on TV) on the kitchen counter, and let me tell you, it was embarrassing.
Not as embarrassing as a Mosconi cue in the gallery, but it was pretty embarrassing
 
Jokes or not, TeeA has a point. There is a attitude here like mean girls. If someone comes on and asks about some cue they just got, if it's not a big name custom builder the a-holes come out.

Why if you have say, a McDermott, there is someone that feels compelled to say he had one that shot like a dead wood log. Does it make some a-hole feel superior to denigrate another's cue? What's the point?

There are a number of names here that you see over and over posting nothing but negative comments about their subject of choice. They must have a very unhappy life.
 
Buzzard II said:
Jokes or not, TeeA has a point. There is a attitude here like mean girls. If someone comes on and asks about some cue they just got, if it's not a big name custom builder the a-holes come out.

Why if you have say, a McDermott, there is someone that feels compelled to say he had one that shot like a dead wood log. Does it make some a-hole feel superior to denigrate another's cue? What's the point?

There are a number of names here that you see over and over posting nothing but negative comments about their subject of choice. They must have a very unhappy life.
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Most of the time there cues were found in closets of a relative. That relative may or may not have embellished their ability to play. So when you get someone who relatively knows little about pool, their feelings and emotions run wild. Their relative couldn't of lied, there's no way this cue isn't a balabuska! So they come to AZB for us to identify and confirm their authentic balabuska. They're so sure, that from the way they made the thread , the people who do know have to respond accordingly.

Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes the way opinions are said can cause pain. But in no sense is it ok to say there wasn't help because the response wasn't said exactly how you want it. Get over it, 90% of the "who made this cue?" threads end up with the same response. Nice tomato stake.
 
Buzzard II said:
Jokes or not, TeeA has a point. There is a attitude here like mean girls. If someone comes on and asks about some cue they just got, if it's not a big name custom builder the a-holes come out.

Why if you have say, a McDermott, there is someone that feels compelled to say he had one that shot like a dead wood log. Does it make some a-hole feel superior to denigrate another's cue? What's the point?

There are a number of names here that you see over and over posting nothing but negative comments about their subject of choice. They must have a very unhappy life.
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It seems that way sometimes but it's not, and McDermott has a good rep on AZ.
I didn't see the "dead wood log" comment, but my old D-19 plays pretty good.
People here typically go out of their way to help on these cue id & valuation threads, but every once in a while somebody smarts off, the other guy gets defensive, and the piling on starts.
I've seen guys go nuts on here when told their cues is only worth $50, the joint isn't ivory, imported, not rare, whatever.
It's like shooting the messenger
 
This you and I will agree on. In 20 years I have had to give the bad news, oh I would say no less than 100 times. Uncle Jed shot a mean cue and left me this cue he said he got in NY from this foreign guy named Balabooshka. He said it was worth 10-20K... By time you tell them its a foreign made and its worth 3 dollars... wow all of a sudden I am a scammer and I am trying to rob the cue...

No win situation... so I try to lighten the mood with a little humor. Its not mean girls, its more like oh ok.. ANOTHER guy wants to retire on a cue. No matter how you unload the news, it's still bad.

How would this guy feel if he was sent to us through the net and I said here is our arrangement.. its 50 dollars for an ID, and another 125 for an appraisal and he figures he is sitting on gold...

Here is my response...

Butt: Maple, with possible decal points. Rings and joint, some kind of plastic, acrylic, faux jade. Willie Mosconi signature, most likely decal under improperly applied finish. Dacron or possible cheap string wrap. Decals of penguins in top hats on plastic butt sleeve. Shaft: maple with same plastic rings

Value: $ 5.00

Thank you have a nice day....

JV


cuesblues said:
It seems that way sometimes but it's not, and McDermott has a good rep on AZ.
I didn't see the "dead wood log" comment, but my old D-19 plays pretty good.
People here typically go out of their way to help on these cue id & valuation threads, but every once in a while somebody smarts off, the other guy gets defensive, and the piling on starts.
I've seen guys go nuts on here when told their cues is only worth $50, the joint isn't ivory, imported, not rare, whatever.
It's like shooting the messenger
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classiccues said:
This you and I will agree on. In 20 years I have had to give the bad news, oh I would say no less than 100 times. Uncle Jed shot a mean cue and left me this cue he said he got in NY from this foreign guy named Balabooshka. He said it was worth 10-20K... By time you tell them its a foreign made and its worth 3 dollars... wow all of a sudden I am a scammer and I am trying to rob the cue...

No win situation... so I try to lighten the mood with a little humor. Its not mean girls, its more like oh ok.. ANOTHER guy wants to retire on a cue. No matter how you unload the news, it's still bad.

How would this guy feel if he was sent to us through the net and I said here is our arrangement.. its 50 dollars for an ID, and another 125 for an appraisal and he figures he is sitting on gold...

Here is my response...

Butt: Maple, with possible decal points. Rings and joint, some kind of plastic, acrylic, faux jade. Willie Mosconi signature, most likely decal under improperly applied finish. Dacron or possible cheap string wrap. Decals of penguins in top hats on plastic butt sleeve. Shaft: maple with same plastic rings

Value: $ 5.00

Thank you have a nice day....

JV
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After the 100th time I might get a little cynical, however if I'm paying that kind of money for an appraisal I don't want to see "possible cheap string wrap" when the wrap is obviously cheap string.
One thing that is worrying me after reading your appraisal, I've got this really old blue Viking with a brass joint, and I can't tell if the blue wrap is Dacron or cheap string.
Do you know what Viking used back then because I'm going to do a full restoration before I list it for sale.
It's a rare window cue
Fully restored it has to be worth upwards to $100 if somebody needed a blue Viking for their collection.

Looking for free advice
Thanks
Ted
 
Let me also recommend that you never step foot in the NPR. These guys don't "wait in the bushes", they stand out front with pitch forks and fire sticks.
 
I tend to see both sides here, as AZ has changed quite a bit. There are many that come here that have little to no knowledge about pool or the equipment, and they are sincerely seeking to learn from those that seem to possess a certain amount of expertise on the subject. It can be rather disheartening for those people to be ridiculed or berated. Those actions certainly aren't conducive to building a better forum or community.
On the other hand, there are those that come here trying to make potential buyer's believe that they are offering the "holy grail" for the price of a tea cup.
Unfortunately, the unethical behavior isn't limited to newcomers and it's unfortunate to see longtime, standing members trying to get over on others.
The fact of the matter is that there are too many on here that are quick to ridicule or debase others, but will take great offense if you dare call them out on their ethics or BS.
Go ahead and sell your item for $200 when I know you bought it off eBay from an unknowledgeable seller for $50. I'll still sleep fine at night. I have custom and high end production cues, so go ahead and talk junk about my Cuetec R360 that I bought new for $130. It won't stop me from dropping a 6-pack on you with it.
Nothing you have will ever be as good as someone else's, because it's all a matter of opinion. Just because something doesn't have a high market value, doesn't mean it's worthless. On the other hand, don't be naive enough to believe that sentimental value should equate to dollar value.
I don't know what the solution is to all the problems that seem to be plaguing this site, but we should at least strive to not add to or compound them.
 
Going by pictures... all app's and ID's are done cue in hand... problem with pics.. the point is no one wants to pay for information. :smile:

JV

cuesblues said:
After the 100th time I might get a little cynical, however if I'm paying that kind of money for an appraisal I don't want to see "possible cheap string wrap" when the wrap is obviously cheap string.
One thing that is worrying me after reading your appraisal, I've got this really old blue Viking with a brass joint, and I can't tell if the blue wrap is Dacron or cheap string.
Do you know what Viking used back then because I'm going to do a full restoration before I list it for sale.
It's a rare window cue
Fully restored it has to be worth upwards to $100 if somebody needed a blue Viking for their collection.

Looking for free advice
Thanks
Ted
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TeeA said:
A friend of a friend showed me some pics of what he thought might be a Mosconi cue. They seemed pretty excited about his find. While I have played the game for many decades, cue identification is not my area of expertise. I suggested and recommended posting on AZ where I know answers can be found. I visit this site multiple times daily always seeking anything that might improve my game.

Following an initial post, a member recommended I repost in the Cue & Case Gallery. The sarcastic replies were disappointing to say the least. It reminded me of working in my last career in corrections where cons would wait in the bushes to pounce upon new meat. This burned out clique, with its thousands of combined posts and vast cue building and recognition expertise, could only suggest I use the cue for stickball, tomato stakes and firewood.

Lesson learned--my first and last post in that forum. I recently upgraded to Gold membership feeling obligated to support AZ for all of the valuable info I have gleamed over the years. I feel good about the upgrade despite this minor setback. I'm a fast learner.

Have a great day and keep the great posts coming. Got to get those tomato plants in the ground.
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Sense of humor is a must for reading posts here. What you read is the normal comment about someone posting an ID for a cheap cue here.

There is not much difference between saying "it's a cheap cue" and "it would make a good toothpick".

Would you get upset if you asked if your pants were nice and someone said "yes, if a monkey was wearing them"? If the answer is yet, stay off the internet forums.
 
Buzzard II said:
Jokes or not, TeeA has a point. There is a attitude here like mean girls. If someone comes on and asks about some cue they just got, if it's not a big name custom builder the a-holes come out.

Why if you have say, a McDermott, there is someone that feels compelled to say he had one that shot like a dead wood log. Does it make some a-hole feel superior to denigrate another's cue? What's the point?

There are a number of names here that you see over and over posting nothing but negative comments about their subject of choice. They must have a very unhappy life.
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You're about 100% wrong here, if it was a bad pick for the price, people will say so. Some with humor. Many with humor actually. And if someone had a cue that like that played bad, what's wrong with saying that? It's not anything bad about whoever posted. If you don't want comments, don't start a thread.

If someone posts their neon green UltraKue Plus that they paid $100 for, I would fully expect them to be asked what the hell where they thinking. If someone posts a pic of their nice but still cheap cue, people will say "nice choice have fun with it". With maybe suggestions for a good tip to use instead of the stock one.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone be made fun of just because their cue was not a custom or was under $300.
 
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Pool definitely has its share of elitist jerks.
Some guys seem to think that just because you CAN turn a piece of equipment
into a piece of art, you SHOULD or else you're trailer trash.
Can you imagine someone mocking a basketball player because he used
a basic Spalding instead of something inlaid with ebony that cost a few thousand?

It's funny because it's one sport where spending more than like $300 is a complete waste,
play-wise. And this is common knowledge even among the collectors.
 
Why are people still reasoning and arguing over this nonsense :mad:
Everybody make more tomato stick and firewood jokes! I only came back to this thread for those.
 
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