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How many Adam's do you see for every Luscher?

Someone tells you they have a "collectible" cue with a steel joint and pointed pin: What are the odds of it being an Adam?
 
PhilosopherKing said:
How many Adam's do you see for every Luscher?

Someone tells you they have a "collectible" cue with a steel joint and pointed pin: What are the odds of it being an Adam?
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If I had to guess I would say something approaching 50% would be Adam.

Luscher? Sure...find another. Rare. It was just one I thought of that I could quickly link to a pic.

How about Mali?
Viking?

Besides, he was talking about collecting and fitting features into an era. I have examples from the 50's, 60's, 70's with such features. Maybe some earlier and later too. Which is pretty broad.

Isn't that what he was asking about? That's why I was responding that way.

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PhilosopherKing said:
I wasn't suggesting it's for sure an Adam.

Considering what he offered for info and the responses before mine, I think it's a pretty good lead.
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I didn't say otherwise.

I just suggested to be careful with that.

There just are too many other possibilities.

I have seen numerous cues misidentified based on a single feature such as that.

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Chopdoc said:
Great things to collect are stocks, bonds, commodities, etc. :wink: They just aren't as pretty as pool cues.

But even they are just gambling...and you can easily lose your ass.

I say collect what you like, and like what you collect. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

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Exactly!

Larry
 
qbilder said:
If you want to invest, speak with a reputable financial advisor. If you want to collect, get the cues that strike a nerve with you. Either you like the design, history, backstory, colors, etc. If it sparks emotion, buy it. Don't worry what it's worth or what it may be worth in the future. People too often conflate investing and collecting. IMO, they should be kept separate. If you consider your collection an investment, then you may as well sell everything you have & buy a bunch of lottery tickets.

I have a very, very early Thomas Wayne cue in my collection. Regardless of value, it's never leaving my possession. It sparks emotion in me on multiple levels. For me alone it's fascinating, inspiring, vengeful, comical, and historical all in the same. It means something to me. And that's why it's a collectible, not an investment. I don't expect anybody to understand nor do I care. It's my collection, not theirs.
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Best advice I've seen on here! That's why I collect Tads, Ginas and Stroud cues now. I like them. :smile:
 
Chopdoc said:
Gus Adams Titlist conversion, about 1950-1955. Pointed brass pin. (Probably large image. Let me know if you can't see it.)

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Adam was building Titlists in the 50's?
 
There was a guy a the pool room yesterday that showed me a cue he thought was made in the 60's by Richard Helmstetter and signed by Steve Mizerak.
He said he would sell it for $500.00.

I pointed out that it had an Adam label on it.
I had to tell him it was just one of many production cues and the signature was just stamped on it,not personally signed by Steve and not made by Richard and was probably made in the '80s?

I was hoping he didn't have a $15000 Balabushka personally signed by George to show me next.
 
measureman said:
There was a guy a the pool room yesterday that showed me a cue he thought was made in the 60's by Richard Helmstetter and signed by Steve Mizerak.
He said he would sell it for $500.00.

I pointed out that it had an Adam label on it.
I had to tell him it was just one of many production cues and the signature was just stamped on it,not personally signed by Steve and not made by Richard and was probably made in the '80s?

I was hoping he didn't have a $15000 Balabushka personally signed by George to show me next.
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If it's nice an with points, it will pull over $200 on Ebay, but no way $500.

Of course his kind of story is common. There was a guy at our pool hall with a Helmstetter. Same kind of thing. He said it was from the 60's and signed by Helmtetter himself, he refused to believe it was an Adam made cue.

But here is the fun part. He claimed he met RH and that he himself said he made the cue in the 1960's. So the dude was outright lying to back up his BS story. It was for sale for $1,000.

An interesting thing about those Mizerak Adam cues is that the first production run had misspelled Mizerak's name. Some may pay a little more for those cues.

Was the name spelled correctly on that one? If you are not looking for it you may not even notice.

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Chopdoc said:
If it's nice an with points, it will pull over $200 on Ebay, but no way $500.

Of course his kind of story is common. There was a guy at our pool hall with a Helmstetter. Same kind of thing. He said it was from the 60's and signed by Helmtetter himself, he refused to believe it was an Adam made cue.

But here is the fun part. He claimed he met RH and that he himself said he made the cue in the 1960's. So the dude was outright lying to back up his BS story. It was for sale for $1,000.

An interesting thing about those Mizerak Adam cues is that the first production run had misspelled Mizerak's name. Some may pay a little more for those cues.

Was the name spelled correctly on that one? If you are not looking for it you may not even notice.


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It really was a nice cue with points and it hit very good. . The steel collar was loose but thats an easy fix in Denver.(lots of good repair guys)
I will look at the spelling next week.
What year was the first run?
 
PoolBum said:
I'd go with leather.
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I meant to answer to this one, since it’s easily the best post on this thread.

Not that I wanted to, but my collection is now... well... it’s a collection. And most are layered, including original Mooris, Molavia, original Kamui, and a dozen brands that never went anywhere. I have red layered tips from Xtreme Billiard, XH Talisman pigskin, etc. Theyre mostly layered because I don’t use layered tips. I tried them; they’re not for me.

I wish I had a tin of Champions. That would be cool.

For those that red my article on tips from 2004, I included a photo of my collection. It’s grown since then.


Freddie <~~~ Cue Tip Collector
 
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cuesblues said:
Oh
I thought you said Gus as in Gus Szamboti converting an Adam Titlist
Never heard of Gus Adams.

As far ad high end with the brass pin Vikings and Adam cues, Wico or not, they have very little value from a pricing standpoint.
High end to me means high end, not high end out of a line of low end production cues.
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I never said otherwise.

I wasn't presenting anything high end.

As you said, such a thing at the high end would be hard to find. I suggest they exist, but have no examples to cite.

Most have never heard of Gus Adams. His family is still in the Pool business though, still around. Not making cues though.

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Theres some good advice here for collecting... Just dont confuse what you like with what's valuble or may become that... THAT takes knowledge of many sorts.
 
Thank you all for your responses. I know the Q was broad, but hearing many different views and advice does help.
 
Reality

I don't think the "Blue Book" is reality anymore. Sorry, but it's 2018... the prices are wayyy out of touch with today's economy. Sure, if you've got a Gus, you can call the shots... but how often does that happen??

If you've got the scratch, by all means, collect!! But right now, the pool scene ain't what it was, and I see guys rocking Sneaky Petes and Merry Widows. A lot of people don't have 'play money' to go buying 8 point cues anymore.

Just sayin'.
 
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