Cue Deflection

Pangit

Pangit

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I'm intimately familiar with my playing cue with a simple maple shaft. Why should I switch to a so called low deflection shaft??? Predator shafts for example...great marketing. It would be like learning a new language. Granted...my cue throws a big wide curve ball. But I know how to throw it.
I know how it bends, and wiggle's . That "defection" can be an advantage when you are trying to swerve around clutter.
 
You know that shot you have to adjust for when you hit it with power? No adjustment needed with the laminated shafts...just play.
 
There is absolutley now reason for a change if you re fine with your cue. The greatest amount of players are just changing their shafts because they think they could play better with it instead of practicing hard and staying just with the given material they have.
If you make a change from regular shaft to a laminated LD shaft it will take for sure some time. Until it is like your *longer arm* it will take in my opinion about 3-4 months if you re playing often. Time may vary from player to player-but it will take time, believe me!
Stay with your material, and all is good. The longer you stay, the better :-)
 
Normally I can deal with a natural wood shaft. I'm used to the squirt and swerve. Not on my table. It squirts but does not swerve back. It just stops squirting, how far it goes depends on how hard you hit it. It will go a lot.
The table is almost unplayable with the cloth it has. When I miss I usually over cut because I used some inside spin. Even easy shots with spin will squirt sometimes. It is frustrating.
I can't wait to get a Simonis back on it. The closest thing I can use to describe it is like trying to use English while playing on ice.
Balls skid often as well causing missed shots.
A LD shaft is almost needed with this Centennial cloth. That won't help with the skids, but probably will cut down on some of the squirt.
 
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renard said:
You know that shot you have to adjust for when you hit it with power? No adjustment needed with the laminated shafts...just play.
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Edit-- Just an extremly *lmao*. Long ago that i read such a senseless sentence. Every shaft on this planet- even the *very best ultimate* LD shaft need adjustments.
Maybe you re just shooting at 6 inch pockets on a 7 footer with snooker balls?
 
Ratta said:
Edit-- Just an extremly *lmao*. Long ago that i read such a senseless sentence. Every shaft on this planet- even the *very best ultimate* LD shaft need adjustments.
Maybe you re just shooting at 6 inch pockets on a 7 footer with snooker balls?
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Lmao... I have played them all adjusting with the shaft in my hand from a Muecci in the 80's to my Scruggs & then my Predator. All of them take adjustment to play with them. The Predator & the OB1 require none because your just not going to be hitting the ball that hard.

Me thinks the desenter here cannot make the adjustment himself to play with a laminated shaft from his current playing cue. BTW Ratta tell me what's the ratio of Pros that play with one? The answer will surprise you.
 
In '08 I'm a big fan of aftermarket LD shaft (in this case 314-2) because it just "aim, english, and hit" thing (my friend told me). Somehow in my opinion it's hard to use a top side spin (not the top spin/follow), contrast to the low sidespin (just minimum compensation with firm stroke). Year later i'm back with my old cue and like the feel of the shaft, because i dont feel my LD shaft is too good compare to my one piece shaft. After that I'm mostly use my custom cue with the one piece shaft. Yes, most of the LD aftermarket shaft may deflect less, but not less than a good cue maker shaft. The feel of LD aftermarket is not so good IMO. If you can handle it, then it's became your nature. :)
 
I wonder if my 314-2 is deffective? Because I definitely have to adjust for squirt. Especially when I use top inside english ( ex: to force-folllow to the center of the table). I know I'm just a beginner and no where near the level of most players here, but the adjustment is pretty obvious imo. Not as much as my regular pechauer shaft, but therez still SOME adjustment.

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Neil said:
I'll agree that all shafts deflect some. However, with my LD shaft, I don't make any conscious adjustments for english. I aim the same way on every shot, every speed. And, I have done that from minute one using it. Makes the game much easier. Granted, when slightly hooked, I can't squirt around the blocker, I have to do a little masse'. But, I'll gladly take the little drawbacks for the benefits of them.

From what I have seen, most that have trouble with them just can't stop allowing for the squirt that is much diminished with them, so they miss a lot with them. If they would just aim the same on every shot, like they were using center ball, they might like them more.
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+10000
Agreed
 
pmata814 said:
I wonder if my 314-2 is deffective? Because I definitely have to adjust for squirt. Especially when I use top inside english ( ex: to force-folllow to the center of the table). I know I'm just a beginner and no where near the level of most players here, but the adjustment is pretty obvious imo. Not as much as my regular pechauer shaft, but therez still SOME adjustment.

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Nobody strokes a truely level cue...if we did our knuckles would brush the cloth with every stoke. Because of this truth whenever we put side English on the cueball we creat a mini masse effect on the cueball. This effect happens shortly after the ball travels down the table depending on tje speed of the shot. To compound the problem a shaft that has give to it tends to deflect the ball at the moment of impact.

So two effects are happening at once. Take care on making your stroke as level as possible and side only when needed. A laminated shaft will cut deflection down to the point you only have to worry about the masse you put into the cueball...
 
Wood density and hit quality

I am curious: has the rise of laminated shafts come about because of a decline in the quality of high density maple wood currently available? Do the glues used in laminated shafts help softer wood have the desired density/stiffness? An old time player I know used to reject shafts that weren't heavy enough (i.e. dense enough) and he'd send them back to the cue-maker requesting a heavier/denser shaft in it's place.
 
Pangit said:
I'm intimately familiar with my playing cue with a simple maple shaft. Why should I switch to a so called low deflection shaft??? Predator shafts for example...great marketing. It would be like learning a new language. Granted...my cue throws a big wide curve ball. But I know how to throw it.
I know how it bends, and wiggle's . That "defection" can be an advantage when you are trying to swerve around clutter.
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There are both advantages and disadvantages to using a low-squirt (AKA LD) shaft, and cue selection can be a very personal thing.

Regards,
Dave
 
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