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I found this on piano-tuners.org. The units are feet/second
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The CRC Handbook also lists the speed of sound in various materials including the longitudinal speed (with the grain, as in pool shafts) for maple and ash.
Cue Energy Transfer
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I found this on piano-tuners.org. The units are feet/second
The CRC Handbook also lists the speed of sound in various materials including the longitudinal speed (with the grain, as in pool shafts) for maple and ash.
The energy transfer that "I EXPERIENCED":
I played "more or less"...... every known cue, made of wood and everything else offered at the time.
Well, in the first rack that I hit with a CF shaft..... the very first FACT that i noticed was IT MOVED THE BALL WAAAAAAAYYY easier than ANY other shaft "I" had EVER hit with and I've hit with cues from Walmart cues to cues that cost upward of 25k (maybe even more.... memory lol) and everywhere in between.
If others don't realize that, well....., it's their loss, not mine.
Try it, if you like it..... for WHATEVER reason, use it. If you don't like it, don't use it.
If he's getting more movement with the softer hit, then his arm is moving slower, not the OB. Do you mean his slower stroke is more accurate and that's "opening up the pockets"?
pj
chgo
The pocket opens up if the OB is moving slower, due to the fact the OB slides off the rail more the slower it is travelling. This allows the OB to approach the pocket facing at a shallower angle. If one needs to hit the CB harder to get the energy rèquired to move around the table, this leads to an inconsistency of force that can drive the OB into the pocket facing hard enough to wobble the ball on a deep shelf pocket.
The improved energy transfer, especially improved spin transfer, means the the OB can be travelling slower towards the pocket while also moving the CB further with the same hit.
Improved power transfer just means you get slightly more power for the same effort. The effect is exactly as if you had simply exerted slightly more effort with a less efficient shaft.
So if you couldn't produce the shot with a non-CF shaft and a little more stroke speed, then you can't produce it with a CF shaft and a little less stroke speed.
pj
chgo
My opinion also....word for word....including wtf do I know ?
it is possible that cf shaft users are experiencing better results based on variables unbeknownst to all of us at this time
see Newton's laws of force
strike a ball in the exact same spot at the same speed with anything and the results will be the same
see Newton's laws of force
strike a ball in the exact same spot at the same speed with anything and the results will be the same
I can't speak for Russ but that's what I've experienced with CF cues.
With CF cues I've been able to use a slower stoke speed but get same results as I did with faster stroke speeds with wooden shafts. ..... using same tips on both.
Having said that^^^^^^^:
I've had the damndest time with touch shots lately with 14.1. 9 ball, 10 ball.... etc...etc... no problem but, 14.1 is killing me right now and 14.1 was always my stronger game:frown: not right now though.
You mean using the same object each time? If you hit something with,say, a pencil and then a hammer your results will NOT be the same. Not sure what you're trying to say. BTW, its Newton's Laws of Motion of which there are three. As far as the Revo goes i would guess that due to its stiffness more of what you put in stroke-wise is applied to the ball. In a wood shaft, even a stiff one, the nature of the material eats-up/delays/kills some of the force imparted by the stroke. With a Revo more of what you put in comes out as force to the cue-ball. To me it was very obvious as to this effect.
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Dig his a55 up and make him show us!!!!!!
There is an important exception that is at work in all cue sticks -- the "efficiency" or elasticity of the contact. What fraction of energy gets into the cue ball depends on the details of cue construction.
For an extreme example, try shooting a cue ball at a six-ounce ball of soft clay.
Why does the timing have to be precise? If the grip is changing before contact and still changing after contact, isn't it changing during contact? Did you mean to say it would be interesting to see someone who could change their grip significantly enough over that tiny interval to make a difference?
Yes...................
FYI, some in this thread might find the following relevant resource page of interest:
effects of light vs. tight grip
Enjoy,
Dave
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So you’re saying the result of the shaft’s improved energy transfer only causes the OB to spin faster but does not cause the OB to move faster?
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I'm still hung up on a couple of things
I am still hung up on a couple of things, seventeen percent difference between phenolic and a good leather tip and the fact that the Revo comes with a soft tip and still reportly delivers more to the cue ball than any shaft out there other than the other carbon fiber shafts.
The Revo is giving up five or ten percent of it's hit to the soft tip and still outhits almost anything out there?
Hu
I am still hung up on a couple of things, seventeen percent difference between phenolic and a good leather tip and the fact that the Revo comes with a soft tip and still reportly delivers more to the cue ball than any shaft out there other than the other carbon fiber shafts.
The Revo is giving up five or ten percent of it's hit to the soft tip and still outhits almost anything out there?
Hu