cue ID
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It's either a Rich cue or a Mastercraft.
JV
JV
I dont think so.
My initial thoughts were a Palmer or Paradise.
Any idea of measurements: weight of cue, shaft diameter, weight bolt, wrap type and pin size?
Any idea of measurements: weight of cue, shaft diameter, weight bolt, wrap type and pin size?
Then you obviously have a preconceived notion of what it is. I'll tell you it's not a Paradise, Palmer or Bushka, just in case you want to go that route.
JV
Well, I'll take it from you, being that we are from the state that Palmer was founded in and Frank Paradise and George were a train/car ride away.
Not a far stretch, either.
It is a Paradise, I just posted this to see what other people thought and how good some of the experts are on here.
It is a Paradise, I just posted this to see what other people thought and how good some of the experts are on here.
Take some of pictures of the cues Joint, Pin, and the bottm of the cues butt Cap and post them.
Thanks
It is a Paradise, I just posted this to see what other people thought and how good some of the experts are on here.
Yeah and I'm the pope. I remember this cue from the show. It wasn't then, it's not now.
JV (---of course if someone wants to show me a Paradise with a long butt cap, I am open for discussion
my money would go on this:wink:
The butt cap is 1 1/4 long and I couldnt get a good picture of the pin. I did have this at SBE about 5 years ago. It was said to be made by 6 or 8 differt cue makers. One guy had one like it confirmed it to be a paradise and since 2 others also confirmed it. The owner of Pool Table Magic did not say it was or was not a paradise. If you dont agree I will bring to SBE next march.
It is a Paradise, I just posted this to see what other people thought and how good some of the experts are on here.
You need to play this game in the Cue Gallery not in the for sale forums.. Read the rules before you post :shakehead::banghead::banghead:
If I would have kept quite it would have been fine. It was not intended to be a game. Sorry if I ruffled anyones feathers.
PLEASE DELETE!
It is a Paradise, I just posted this to see what other people thought and how good some of the experts are on here.
I DON'T THINK SO...... IMO, THAT IT ISN'T A PARADISE. I HAVEN'T SEEN AS MANY AS JOE, BUT I'VE SEEN A LOT.
DOC FREY IS A POSSIBILITY, AS WELL AS A RICH CUE, AND MASTERCRAFT.
WHAT EXPERTS SAID IT WAS A PARADISE? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE, BUT I KNOW THE GUYS AT THE SHOW THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED "EXPERTS" AND I CAN'T SEE ANY OF THEM SAYING THAT IT WAS A PARADISE.
Marcus
P.S. IT'S POSSIBLE, THAT THE GUY HAD ONE JUST LIKE IT WAS ALSO MISINFORMED ABOUT HIS CUE, AND WAS SPREADING BAD INFORMATION.
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Some folks have a tendency to believe whatever they want to about their "vintage" cues....sort of like those Balabushkas with the name on the forearm being the real thing...also like the Palmer that was "absolutely" a Bushka on here recently...until Pete said it was not, although all of the experts on here had already told the seller that it was definately a Palmer... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=182353&highlight=balabushka
I have not seen too many Paradise cues, but that one does not look right to me. Personally, I would rely on Joe's analysis and agree that it was a Rich or Mastercraft.
Give the names of the experts who told you that it was a Paradise. Odds are that they are members here, if they were at SBE and told you that. By naming them, you can add credibility to the identity...or lack of it.
Many of the guys on here make their living by being able to tell the difference between a Paradise and a Rich...BTW, FnL has a nice Paradise listed on here. Take a look at the butt on it.
Joe
I have not seen too many Paradise cues, but that one does not look right to me. Personally, I would rely on Joe's analysis and agree that it was a Rich or Mastercraft.
Give the names of the experts who told you that it was a Paradise. Odds are that they are members here, if they were at SBE and told you that. By naming them, you can add credibility to the identity...or lack of it.
Many of the guys on here make their living by being able to tell the difference between a Paradise and a Rich...BTW, FnL has a nice Paradise listed on here. Take a look at the butt on it.
Joe
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Here is a Paradise with a long buttcap on Proficient Billiards website. I can't attest to the authenticity but it sure looks a Paradise cue to me. I have a cue I believe to be a Paradise with a long buttcap but it is not marked. It does have a pin through the brass joint like some Paradise cues have and a lot of other attributes of Paradise cues but again, I can't say with 100% certainty that it's a Paradise. I would love to have other opinions if anyone wants to see pics
http://www.proficientbilliards.com/cues/frank_paradise/vintage/pages/DSC06571_jpg.htm
http://www.proficientbilliards.com/cues/frank_paradise/vintage/pages/DSC06571_jpg.htm
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That Titlist conversion in the Proficient pic also has numerous other ID points to it, and the butt cap looks nothing like the one in the earlier post on here. It takes more than one photo or distinguishing mark to ID an old cue like these, but when you life's work has been spent doing just that, you get pretty good at it, too.
Barry Szamboti may have to examine some cues closely to determine whether or not his father built it, but if he looks at a photo and tells you that his father did not build it, and he needs no further examination of the cue to determine that, you can bet that it is not a Gus.
Joe