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It's what you like, everybody is different. I personally love a 5/16x14 steel piloted & that's what I play with. I also own a flat faced ivory joint radial pin Scruggs that has a fantastic hit & I play it occasionally but I always go back to the steel jointed Frey. It's just what I like. There is no "better", just what you like.

Bingo!
Ive played steel jointed 5/16 14 for most of my 35 ish years around this game. I got to hit with eddie0776's cue while he was up visiting family, and the wood to wood joint big pin felt great. I got a cheap Schemlke off ebay to see if it was the joint I was liking, and it was that 'similar to a one piece' feel, so I ordered a custom sneaky from them with predator shafts that should be showing up soon. Looking forward to a change of pace!
 
As the inventor of the 3/8x10 and the Radial I have to say they both play well.

I just prefer the precision of the Radial and the way it fits into the wood shaft.

Bill S.
 
It's probably been asked before but here we go again what is the best joint on a pool cue i always liked 3/8x10 just want some more opinions thanks.

I believe the joint made by Guido Orlandi is superior to them all.

The joint was initially put on Cues by Layani, they were carom cues as far as I know.

Guido redesigned the joint, using principles of industry, called the Morse taper joint & it is just a wonderful hit.

The butt has the female cone to accept the male cone on the shaft.
 

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Until ECF acquires some first hand cue-making experience, his academic credentials hardly qualifies him to speak of that which he apparently knows very little......but why put stock or attach importance to what cue-makers use. Why bother to look at the joints on the very best cue photos in all 3 editions of the Blue Book of Cues........or see what Azers have in their collections......or listen to the opinions of esteemed cue-makers........I mean that seems like a waste of time when we can defer to the opinion of ECF who possesses all this worldly firsthand cue-making experience.

His educational needs are so vast and great, I'd have to compose a long essay on the elements applying the greatest influence on hit -feel. There's a lot of factors that combine and create he sensation of feel starting with the shape of the tip, hardness, where on the cue ball was it struck and force of stroke, the ferrule length and composition, the shaft taper, wood compression, weight, joint type, pin type, balance point, & weight bolt (ozs), wrap - type - position or wrap-less, and assembled weight of the cue. Some heavier ivory joint pool cues tend to hit differently due to the cue's weight, ex, 19.8 ozs vs. 18.5 ozs. I found this out by owning and playing with several ivory joint cues of varying weights over the span of several years. At the same time, flat ivory joints play differently than other ivory cue joint versions. FYI..... I've recommended flat ivory joints to several Azers whom inquired how it plays and everyone seems thrilled to have made the switch.......Again, it always comes down to each his own.

Yeah, that George guy who used stainless was an idiot. He should have talked to you before making all of those cues.

I'm pretty sure sum guy named Gus made a bunch of stainless jointed cues, too. He was a real rube.

Some guy named Franklin made a bunch of phenolic jointed cues...they have some kind of waiting list for them now, it's like 10yrs...must be all returning to have the crappy joint changed to elephant tusk.

I work off of knowledge and education. You work off of bias.

Not that it really matters, but I taught myself how to make cues when I was 19. No books, no videos, no instruction. I simply tried a lot of things until I developed a process.
 
I believe the joint made by Guido Orlandi is superior to them all.

The joint was initially put on Cues by Layani, they were carom cues as far as I know.

Guido redesigned the joint & it is just a wonderful hit.

The butt has the female cone to accept the male cone on the shaft.

From an engineering point of view, I agree with you. Someone wanted a locating feature in a joint and he designed a good one.
 
Alaska and Hawaii have some pretty "wacky" ones also....
Aloha

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Until ECF acquires some first hand cue-making experience, his academic credentials hardly qualifies him to speak of that which he apparently knows very little......but why put stock or attach importance to what cue-makers use. Why bother to look at the joints on the very best cue photos in all 3 editions of the Blue Book of Cues........or see what Azers have in their collections......or listen to the opinions of esteemed cue-makers........I mean that seems like a waste of time when we can defer to the opinion of ECF who possesses all this worldly firsthand cue-making experience.

His educational needs are so vast and great, I'd have to compose a long essay on the elements applying the greatest influence on hit -feel. There's a lot of factors that combine and create he sensation of feel starting with the shape of the tip, hardness, where on the cue ball was it struck and force of stroke, the ferrule length and composition, the shaft taper, wood compression, weight, joint type, pin type, balance point, & weight bolt (ozs), wrap - type - position or wrap-less, and assembled weight of the cue. Some heavier ivory joint pool cues tend to hit differently due to the cue's weight, ex, 19.8 ozs vs. 18.5 ozs. I found this out by owning and playing with several ivory joint cues of varying weights over the span of several years. At the same time, flat ivory joints play differently than other ivory cue joint versions. FYI..... I've recommended flat ivory joints to several Azers whom inquired how it plays and everyone seems thrilled to have made the switch.......Again, it always comes down to each his own.
Ivory got nothing on sambar stag.
Sambar stag is harder even and are not brittle like ivory.
Bill Stroud sleeved his ivory with phenolic. Black Boar did the same .
They must have weighed the risk and reward and the risk of non-sleeved ivory was too much.
Sleeving the ivory and making it a thin-wall sleeve to phenolic and metal changes that hit.
 
I see what your saying, I like to make the joint a little bigger, around 0.900" or so as I have found that it produces a better "hit". Although it is hard to get the taper right, and when rolled it does have a tendency to "lift" some....

Aloha
 
As the inventor of the 3/8x10 and the Radial I have to say they both play well.
I just prefer the precision of the Radial and the way it fits into the wood shaft.
Bill S.

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As the inventor of the 3/8x10 and the Radial I have to say they both play well.
I just prefer the precision of the Radial and the way it fits into the wood shaft.
Bill S.


I have a sneaky suspicion... This "ROOKIE" might know a thing or two about cue making. From what I hear, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. LOL!!! :D
 
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I see what your saying, I like to make the joint a little bigger, around 0.900" or so as I have found that it produces a better "hit". Although it is hard to get the taper right, and when rolled it does have a tendency to "lift" some....

Aloha

That is faaaat!
 
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As the inventor of the 3/8x10 and the Radial I have to say they both play well.
I just prefer the precision of the Radial and the way it fits into the wood shaft.
Bill S.


I have a sneaky suspicion... This "ROOKIE" might know a thing or two about cue making. From what I hear, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. LOL!!! :D

Any cuemaker can invent any new style, size or shape screw he wants to. Bully for him. To claim that a 'new' screw does the job better than a couple thousand years worth of iterations on screws is a bit ridiculous. If it does do the job better, I'd like to see evidence...untested personal opinion is not evidence.

A screw has one job in a cue and that is to provide a means of clamping a shaft to a butt. Using a threaded pin for anything other than that is ridiculously bad practice.

Instead of throwing stones and kissing ass, why don't you try to add something to the conversation.
 
Any cuemaker can invent any new style, size or shape screw he wants to. Bully for him. To claim that a 'new' screw does the job better than a couple thousand years worth of iterations on screws is a bit ridiculous. If it does do the job better, I'd like to see evidence...untested personal opinion is not evidence.

A screw has one job in a cue and that is to provide a means of clamping a shaft to a butt. Using a threaded pin for anything other than that is ridiculously bad practice.

Instead of throwing stones and kissing ass, why don't you try to add something to the conversation.

Throwing stones and kissing ass???? SCREW YOU and your personal attacks. I was simply stating he has some good knowledge. His cues (Joss then Josswest) wouldn't be some of the most popular and sought after if they didn't play well.
 
Any cuemaker can invent any new style, size or shape screw he wants to. Bully for him. To claim that a 'new' screw does the job better than a couple thousand years worth of iterations on screws is a bit ridiculous. If it does do the job better, I'd like to see evidence...untested personal opinion is not evidence.

A screw has one job in a cue and that is to provide a means of clamping a shaft to a butt. Using a threaded pin for anything other than that is ridiculously bad practice.

Instead of throwing stones and kissing ass, why don't you try to add something to the conversation.

And BTW... I do not own a Joss or Josswest, nor do I care to. I prefer a different style cue
 
Any cuemaker can invent any new style, size or shape screw he wants to. Bully for him. To claim that a 'new' screw does the job better than a couple thousand years worth of iterations on screws is a bit ridiculous. If it does do the job better, I'd like to see evidence...untested personal opinion is not evidence.

A screw has one job in a cue and that is to provide a means of clamping a shaft to a butt. Using a threaded pin for anything other than that is ridiculously bad practice.

Instead of throwing stones and kissing ass, why don't you try to add something to the conversation.
A screw has two jobs for me.
The one you mentioned.
And other one is to make maching the collars easier by making the threads ride the minor of the screw.
 
A screw has two jobs for me.
The one you mentioned.
And other one is to make maching the collars easier by making the threads ride the minor of the screw.

The minor diameter is a poor locating feature. In order to use it as a locating feature at all, the threads must be cut tighter than is generally acceptable.

Having a true locating feature would be useful.
 
The minor diameter is a poor locating feature. In order to use it as a locating feature at all, the threads must be cut tighter than is generally acceptable.

Having a true locating feature would be useful.

It doesn't have to on flat bottom non-V threads.
 
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