"More" spin is only "better" if speed is unchanged. More RPMs with more speed (i.e., the same spin-to-speed ratio - like simply hitting harder) doesn't do anything for you spinwise.
That's the context of the misunderstandings in this thread.
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Cue Tip Contact Myth-Busting Truths in Super Slow Motion
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That's the context of the misunderstandings in this thread.
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chgo
No doubt. Just about all layered tips change hardness over time. Some more than others. I've found that Ultraskins maintain their rated hardness quite well. Helluva good tip for 3bux.
RPM's are pretty much governed by tip offset. I can't tell the difference in tips when doing PJ's striped ball test. Any difference that 'MIGHT' exist are ,as you said, tiny.I believe he was just saying that a more efficient hit (harder tip) transfers a little more of the cue's energy to the cb, when compared to using the same stroke speed but with a softer tip. So, if a harder tip produces a little more cb speed, then shouldn't it produce a little more spin?
The "little more" is probably so tiny that it's not noticeable for most players. But when a player says they can feel or see the difference, I don't believe it's total bs. There is some valid reasoning in why they can feel or see the difference.
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I've been over and over this stuff countless times in this thread, and I think I have provided plenty of valid explanations and convincing demonstrations. I don't know what else to do other than ask that you carefully review everything at the link below (even if you have read through previous versions before, and even if you have watched all the videos before), where all relevant and important information is documented:
Please post a link if you can find it. Thanks.
Dr Dave focused on producing consistent cb speeds to show the cb reaction/angle off the cushion. This works great to prove that at equal cb speeds different tips produce the same amount of spin on the cb. But that's not the same as proving that different tips produce the same amount of spin when it comes to striking the cb with identical stroke speeds. In other words, if you have to manipulate the stroke speed in order to produce equal cb spin results, it seems that the results don't prove much about the actual spin difference that might exist between a hard tip and a soft tip when identical cue strokes are applied.
With the same offset and cue speed spin rpm's are for all intents identical. Difference is in the ratio of forward motion-to-spin.
I think I answered and demonstrated that fairly well with the first few sections in my "Can a SOFTER TIP Put MORE SPIN on the Ball? -- MYTHBUSTING Answers" video. The answer is: a harder tip will create more speed and more spin with the same tip offset and stroke effort. But that is an unfair comparison (making soft tips look bad), because when playing pool, it is the CB speed that is important.
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Exactly, thanks.
Yes, just like hitting a little harder.
Yes, but the spin/speed ratio (the important thing for spin effect) remains unchanged. This (again) is the main disconnect in this thread - maybe if we say it another 100 times? 1,000?
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chgo
I've always been suspicious of people named Patrick:
Are you sure you're Mr. Johnson and not Mr. Bateman?
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Thanks for all your informative contributions to this thread.
pj <- can't imagine why nobody takes you seriously
chgo
I imagine rolling a steel ball down a ramp. At the bottom of the ramp is a steel block. The centerline of the ball strikes the right side of the block and causes it to move forward and rotate a bit out of the way.
With some shots, like soft speed maximum spin shots, cb spin trumps cb speed. Or maximum draw shots or follow shots... If a hard tip produces more speed and more spin (provided there's enough friction between tip and ball), then shooting a max draw or follow would take less stroke effort than it would with a super soft tip.
Experience has already proven this to me and many others.
What I like about your myth busting video is that you prove that a soft tip is no better than a hard tip when it comes to moving the cb around the table with spin, at least for the vast majority of shots being played.
It really is a "feel" thing, meaning that for a small group of shots, one tip does affect the cb differently than another, and for experienced players it is a noticeable difference that can be felt and observed.
Yes, greater spin-to-speed ratio = greater spin effect.
Yes, spin-to-speed only controls the effect of side spin - draw and follow are different because the spin's effect is only seen after the speed part of the equation is changed so dramatically by contact with the OB.
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kanzzo
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Only if they hit lower on the CB - which they can do more reliably than us bangers.
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i've watched Corey shoot some his crazy draw shots standing right next to him. He can get WAAY out there on the cb without miscuing. He strikes it pure as hell.