Cuemaker turnaround time !

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WilleeCue said:
I agree completely Eddie.
It is no ones else's business.
If the customer wants the photos public let him post them.

However, I can understand people wanting to see what you are up to.
Some want to see what you are making and what it looks like because they are curious about your skills and might be thinking of sending you some business.
Others might use it for target practice and everything you do would be wrong some way or another.

Just the same, I would enjoy seeing photos of what you are making.
I am always admiring other cue makers work but being a cue maker (or assembler) myself I am always asking ... how did he do that ... do I have the skill and knowledge to do something like that?

I get a lot of good ideas from looking at others work.
















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WilleeCue said:
Flex, that is kinda hard to answer.

A cue made from start to finish to the specs of the guy that ordered it would certianly be a "custom" cue.
A rack full of look alike cues at the local cue shop would certianly be "production" cues.

Beyond that the line gets hazy.

If you order a cue from a company and they go the the finished cue rack and from dozens of cues that all look alike pick one that meets your specs or perhaps change a thing or two like tip or weight, would that change the production cue into custom cue?

I know the term custom is used very loosely as any production cue can be "customized" by changing the ferrule, tip, weight, shaft profile, and wrap.
If this is done does it become a "custom" cue?
Some would say yes and some would say no.
Is what it is called really matter much to you?

Actually, yes, what it is called does matter, because words do mean things, and hopefully convey the truth. I'd love to be able to buy a cue off the rack that would be the same as my custom cue. However, I know that's plain and simply most unlikely, and probably impossible. Far as I know, pool cues don't come off the rack with an 11mm tip and 15 inch pro taper, together with a certain type of construction and buttwood. If they did, I probably could have saved some money.

The fact that I knew just what I wanted and that it wasn't available without going the custom route means something, not only to me but to others as well. I also think a custom cue has a certain cachet that a production cue, no matter the cost, doesn't have. Custom means special, it should also mean higher quality, and usually, not always, ends up costing more than a similar item that is simply cranked out at high volume.

I like the fact that most of my friends can't shoot well with my cue. That 11mm shaft is too small for most people, and if I didn't wear a glove it would be too thin for me.

Thank you Will for your answers, as they are very helpful.

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I'll wait until the customer has received their cue and then I can post progress pics for the "public" that I feel are worth viewing....

This way I feel that I'm not letting the proverbial "cat-out-of-the-bag" early, and also the customer has no problems with it at this point !

I enjoy sharing what I do with others and I do have a few progress pics of a recent cue that I uploaded of fellow AZ member "John Sherlock" since he has just received his cue and shouldn't mind me showing off the unappealing process now....

So as requested... here's a few before and after photos for those of you who are interested... I know they aren't as detailed and as interesting as expected but it's all I have to offer at the moment, but there will be more to come shortly !!!

But I have to warn you, it looks hideous and crude due to the bulkiness and epoxy resing oozing out of the joints....

I didn't post these progress photos to be critiqued and ask to only be judged on the finished product !

P.S. "FLEX" Schmelke is a production cue and case company.... so that makes ANY cue of thiers a production cue regardless of custom alterations due to the intial construction process and primary assembly.... and since you had it customized to your personal specifications and is NOT what Schmelke advertises or promotes which is why they do NOT have their logo on it... this way they can "cater" to customer's without risking their public "image" and "standards" of what has made them successful in the mass production cuemaking industry !



Thanks, Eddie Wheat

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WheatCues said:
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I'll wait until the customer has received their cue and then I can post progress pics for the "public" that I feel are worth viewing....

This way I feel that I'm not letting the proverbial "cat-out-of-the-bag" early, and also the customer has no problems with it at this point !

I enjoy sharing what I do with others and I do have a few progress pics of a recent cue that I uploaded of fellow AZ member "John Sherlock" since he has just received his cue and shouldn't mind me showing off the unappealing process now....

So as requested... here's a few before and after photos for those of you who are interested... I know they aren't as detailed and as interesting as expected but it's all I have to offer at the moment, but there will be more to come shortly !!!

But I have to warn you, it looks hideous and crude due to the bulkiness and epoxy resing oozing out of the joints....

I didn't post these progress photos to be critiqued and ask to only be judged on the finished product !

P.S. "FLEX" Schmelke is a production cue and case company.... so that makes ANY cue of thiers a production cue regardless of custom alterations due to the intial construction process and primary assembly.... and since you had it customized to your personal specifications and is NOT what Schmelke advertises or promotes which is why they do NOT have their logo on it... this way they can "cater" to customer's without risking their public "image" and "standards" of what has made them successful in the mass production cuemaking industry !



Thanks, Eddie Wheat



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I will be posting pics of finshed cues in the existing thread "requested pics of wheatcues" as well as progress photos of finished cues too ! here's the link if anyone is interested in seeing my work :http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=91822


Thanks again, Eddie Wheat
 
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WheatCues said:
P.S. "FLEX" Schmelke is a production cue and case company.... so that makes ANY cue of thiers a production cue regardless of custom alterations ....

In your mind does this also mean that any cue made with a Schmelke blank is a "production cue" ?

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DaveK said:
In your mind does this also mean that any cue made with a Schmelke blank is a "production cue" ?

Dave


Yes, becasue all of thier buttstock is made the same way whether it ends up in your hands or someone elses....

All they did was customize a stock butt and shaft for you !

You seem to be offended becasue a production cue company built you a cue and it's not classified as a true custom cue....

Schmelke IS a production cue company case in point ! there is no other way to classify their cues....

Besides I think it's great that they went the extra mile to completely customize one of their cues for for you, that shows fantastic customer service and that is something to brag about all on it's own with production companies....

How many other companies would have done that for you ??? I can't think of any off hand so that alone should mean more to you than worrying about the classification of your Schmelke customized cue !


P.S. Any cue made from a schmelke, valley, dufferin etc. blank is considered a conversion cue !


- Eddie Wheat
 
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WheatCues said:
Yes, becasue all of thier buttstock is made the same way whether it ends up in your hands or someone elses....


Interesting answer.

WheatCues said:
You seem to be offended becasue a production cue company built you a cue and it's not classified as a true custom cue....

Not at all Eddie, it was a very simple question. Thanks for the answer. I believe that many would disagree with you, btw, imo.

Dave
 
DaveK said:
Interesting answer.



Not at all Eddie, it was a very simple question. Thanks for the answer. I believe that many would disagree with you, btw, imo.

Dave


Ok.......

Let me turn the question around to you... In your mind do you believe you have a true custom built cue made by a production cue manufacturer ?



- Eddie WHeat
 
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WheatCues said:
P.S. "FLEX" Schmelke is a production cue and case company.... so that makes ANY cue of thiers a production cue regardless of custom alterations due to the intial construction process and primary assembly.... and since you had it customized to your personal specifications and is NOT what Schmelke advertises or promotes which is why they do NOT have their logo on it... this way they can "cater" to customer's without risking their public "image" and "standards" of what has made them successful in the mass production cuemaking industry !



Thanks, Eddie Wheat

Mr. Wheat, sir, I'm sorry to have to correct you.

The Schmelke logo was not put on the cue at my request. I had them make me another cue (cocobolo butt) that was exactly the same as this one with ebony in the butt, and it came with their logo. I didn't want the logo on this one :grin: looks way more like a house cue, and several friends have picked it up where I shoot some pool not realizing it was not a house cue, but mine.

You may call Schmelke what you like. Fact is, they delivered a custom/customized/whatever cue that plays lights out, and hits a ton, whatever that means. It's solid. It's a full-splice cue. It has the specific joint I requested. It has the exact specific taper I requested. It has the exact tip size, and ferrule, and tip that I sent them. It weighs exactly what I requested. And it has a slightly slimmed down butt, as I requested.

Everything was as I specifically requested...

Call it what you want. I willingly, happily, and satisfiedly gave them my business, not just this once, but four times.

And they're in line for my next cue, whenever that is. A satisfied customer is a wonderful thing, and I know they appreciate it.

I'd much rather deal with them than many other cuemakers that make the rounds. I know many cuemakers use their fullsplice blanks. That's fine. I just went to the source, and got a better deal too, by the way. I'll not reveal the names of some of the cuemakers on AZ who quoted me a price to make a cue like the one I got from Schmelke, but at much higher cost.

I have zero complaints... ZERO... and am TOTALLY happy. What about that is hard to understand?

Respectfully,

Flex
 
Flex said:
Mr. Wheat, sir, I'm sorry to have to correct you.

The Schmelke logo was not put on the cue at my request. I had them make me another cue (cocobolo butt) that was exactly the same as this one with ebony in the butt, and it came with their logo. I didn't want the logo on this one :grin: looks way more like a house cue, and several friends have picked it up where I shoot some pool not realizing it was not a house cue, but mine.

You may call Schmelke what you like. Fact is, they delivered a custom/customized/whatever cue that plays lights out, and hits a ton, whatever that means. It's solid. It's a full-splice cue. It has the specific joint I requested. It has the exact specific taper I requested. It has the exact tip size, and ferrule, and tip that I sent them. It weighs exactly what I requested. And it has a slightly slimmed down butt, as I requested.

Everything was as I specifically requested...

Call it what you want. I willingly, happily, and satisfiedly gave them my business, not just this once, but four times.

And they're in line for my next cue, whenever that is. A satisfied customer is a wonderful thing, and I know they appreciate it.

I'd much rather deal with them than many other cuemakers that make the rounds. I know many cuemakers use their fullsplice blanks. That's fine. I just went to the source, and got a better deal too, by the way. I'll not reveal the names of some of the cuemakers on AZ who quoted me a price to make a cue like the one I got from Schmelke, but at much higher cost.

I have zero complaints... ZERO... and am TOTALLY happy. What about that is hard to understand?

Respectfully,

Flex

Ok, I was wrong... my bad !!!

That's great I'm glad they gave you exactly what you wanted !!!!

I happen to offer the exact same service.......

You were the one who seemed to have the problem with your customized production cue not being classified as a custom built one !

So if you're happy I'm happy ... we are all friggin' happy as a matter of fact I am so damn happy I can't type anymore because I just want to skip off down the road whistling zippity-do-dah ! :p


Take Care, Eddie Wheat
 
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WheatCues said:
Ok, I was wrong... my bad !!!

That's great I'm glad they gave you exactly what you wanted !!!!

I happen to offer the exact same service.......

You were the one who seemed to have the problem with your customized production cue not being classified as a custom built one !

So if you're happy I'm happy ... we are all friggin' happy as a matter of fact I am so damn happy I can't type anymore because I just want to skip off down the road whistling zippity-do-dah ! :p


Take Care, Eddie Wheat

Aha, now I get it.

You insist that what I got was a production cue.

Sir, I suggest you strive to reach such a point in your cuemaking career that people will refer to you as a "production"cue maker.

You can insist ad nauseum that my cue is a production cue. Go right ahead. I know it isn't.

Sorry you don't get it.

What I got is what I wanted. Schmelke charged me for all the changes and accomodated my requests. Had you made the cue for me, I'd be similarly thrilled. But you didn't get my business.

Ever wonder why? Think about it.

Flex
 
Flex said:
Aha, now I get it.

You insist that what I got was a production cue.

Sir, I suggest you strive to reach such a point in your cuemaking career that people will refer to you as a "production"cue maker.

You can insist ad nauseum that my cue is a production cue. Go right ahead. I know it isn't.

Sorry you don't get it.

What I got is what I wanted. Schmelke charged me for all the changes and accomodated my requests. Had you made the cue for me, I'd be similarly thrilled. But you didn't get my business.

Ever wonder why? Think about it.

Flex


No sir I will NEVER become a production cuemaker... I have ZERO desire to turn out "cookie cutter" cues !


- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
No sir I will NEVER become a production cuemaker... I have ZERO desire to turn out "cookie cutter" cues !


- Eddie Wheat

You certainly didn't get the same MicroEconomics 101 that I did, our you'd be angling for that spot.

Life isn't fair.

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Flex said:
You certainly didn't get the same MicroEconomics 101 that I did, our you'd be angling for that spot.

Life isn't fair.

Flex


Sir, I am not greedy and have zero ambition to become a millionaire cuemaker !!!!

I enjoy what I do and have a deep love and an undying passion for it and never ever want money to be a motivation or focal point for my life's devotion becasue then I would be doing it for all the wrong reasons and the quality of my work would be compromised just like other cuemakers that went production in the history of the industry and this of course happens with virtually any other area of industry when money becomes the focal point and quality takes a back seat !

I have a trade I can do until the day I fall over dead on my lathe and I will always love doing it becasue I won't be wealthy and end up putting my cuemaking on the back burner or subcontracting it out to someone else who would never build them EXACTLY the way I do and with the same care I just want to make enough money to cover the bills and enjoy life without having to stress over finances and still maintain focus on my cuemaking by keeping it a neccessity !

"If I wanted to be rich I would have stayed in professional sales, but I have a conscience and live 100% by KARMA... there is more to life than just money and I learned that a long time ago !"


- Eddie Wheat
 
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WheatCues said:
Sir, I am not greedy and have zero ambition to become a millionaire cuemaker !!!!

I enjoy what I do and have a deep love and an undying passion for it and never ever want money to be a motivation or focal point for my life's devotion becasue then I would be doing it for all the wrong reasons and the quality of my work would be compromised just like other cuemakers that went production in the history of the industry and this of course happens with virtually any other area of industry when money becomes the focal point and quality takes a back seat !

I have a trade I can do until the day I fall over dead on my lathe and I will always love doing it becasue I won't be wealthy and end up putting my cuemaking on the back burner or subcontracting it out to someone else who would never build them EXACTLY the way I do and with the same care I just want to make enough money to cover the bills and enjoy life without having to stress over finances and still maintain focus on my cuemaking by keeping it a neccessity !

"If I wanted to be rich I would have stayed in professional sales, but I have a conscience and live 100% by KARMA... there is more to life than just money and I learned that a long time ago !"


- Eddie Wheat


WHEW...is this a 3x40 or a 4x40 post:confused:
 
ribdoner said:
After too many 40's I've been known to also promulagate never ending sentences:smile:


Actually I chose not to drink today... I have a long day ahead of me tomorrow and I want to get a good night's rest for a change !

I guess I'm boring when I don't drink aren't I ???



- Eddie Wheat
 
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Well ... Flex is happy ...:D

Eddie is happy ...:D

and I must assume that Schmelke is happy too ...:D

The world is once again a happy place.

All thanks to AZB. ... :thumbup:
 
WheatCues said:
I'm currently pushing 90-120 days turnaround time... do you as cuemakers and customers feel this is reasonable or too short or too long for the average completion time ????



Thanks, Eddie Wheat
90-120 days is kinda short I think.
 
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