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Arnot i feel your pain!
i haven't been keeping up 100% with this eddie wheat thing and i don't know if he is or isn't on the up and up. i posted a few comments here and there as a warning of another cuemaker that i figured to be untrustworthy and i was also threatened with being banned.
god forbig you try and save some az'r some greif/cash! you try and save someone money on here and, YOU'RE OUTA HERE!!!!!
i haven't been keeping up 100% with this eddie wheat thing and i don't know if he is or isn't on the up and up. i posted a few comments here and there as a warning of another cuemaker that i figured to be untrustworthy and i was also threatened with being banned.
god forbig you try and save some az'r some greif/cash! you try and save someone money on here and, YOU'RE OUTA HERE!!!!!
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WheatCues
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poolplayer2093 said:
Well, Arnot got desperate so he figured he would go out with a bang...
He bragged to me about being a vietnam vet so mabey he has some psychological issues and a vendictive personality.... I could be wrong !
I thought he was completely out of line and I would never stoop to that kind of level to intentionally try to crash someones only source of income and cause them to loose everything they got just becasue I have competition...
My past is my past but that is exactly what it is but not everything Arnot said is accurate he fluffed it up a bit and forgot the most important one : the forced child labor sweatshop I have in Bejiing China that partially builds my cues and processes my shaftwood..." which explains the wait, it was on the slow boat !":wink: it has zero to do with my cuemaking business and customer relations and I prefer to keep it that way....
The only other person I had a real beef with and it was a while back was Dave B. and that's primarily becasue we both got a little carried away and it got a little nasty but that is in the past and I have no ill will toward him at all and have great repect for the quality of his work and his abilities as an accomplished cuemaker !
To answer your question I am on the up and up... I have personal problems just like everyone else but since I live in the "spotlight" for the most part my life is an open book "literally" and I am pretty open as well with my feelings and life's ups and downs...
I know this creates opportunity for slanderous behavior but I just look at some of these fellow AZ'rs as the media or papparazzi and have a little fun with it unitl someone crosses the line and then we have a mess like this Arnot scenario....
All is well !
Take care, Eddie Wheat :smile:
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dave sutton
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He bragged to me about being a vietnam vet so mabey he has some psychological issues and a vendictive personality.... I could be wrong !
Great, go after the Vietnam vets now.
Eddie, we think you have psychological issues but WE COULD be wrong.
Great, go after the Vietnam vets now.
Eddie, we think you have psychological issues but WE COULD be wrong.
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Right after he gets his SW, Hercek, Szamboti and MT.cubswin said:
I really doubt Charlie gets his refund. He doesn't want the cue anymore.
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WheatCues said:
I have not gone anywhere.
You are correct that I am proud of my military service in Vietnam. In my youth I served my country for 12 years. Where did you serve??
I did a search on AZ and I cannot find that I have ever said anything about you. Was there something you would like to tell us about??
I do not know why you would joke about your cues being made in China - We all know that you make your own cues in a timely manor and very inexpensively. Just ask Charlie Edwards - he paid $700.00 for his cue back in January 2008. He said he would post a critique of your cue as soon as it arrives. For a cue that was in stock and ready to ship at the time he purchased it something must have gone wrong with that ship from China.
Why I am so surprised to hear that Dave or anyone else for that matter has a bone to pick with you. I know I wish you the best
Wonder what you did to offend Dave?I don't know of anyone who has ever slandered you. For someone to slander you they must state something about you that is not the truth. Now when I look at the implication you made about me having psychological issues and a vendictive personality...., that is slanderous. But it is OK - I forgive you. I wish you only the best.
Have a nice day,
You Guys Need To Put This Whole Thing To Rest
how long is too long?
Is there really any such thing as too long? If we get exactly what we've always wanted is there really such a thing?As long as we know that we are really gonna get it when promised I think not as long as it is within reason, and we are not kept in the dark. I have dealt with and worked with the cue builders in my area and it seems that the downfall of some fantastic cue builders is not quility or quantity but failed timelines. So if you want to be successful just don't make promises that you CAN'T or are not WILLING to keep. If you make a good product then it will take care of you in the long run.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Larry
Is there really any such thing as too long? If we get exactly what we've always wanted is there really such a thing?As long as we know that we are really gonna get it when promised I think not as long as it is within reason, and we are not kept in the dark. I have dealt with and worked with the cue builders in my area and it seems that the downfall of some fantastic cue builders is not quility or quantity but failed timelines. So if you want to be successful just don't make promises that you CAN'T or are not WILLING to keep. If you make a good product then it will take care of you in the long run.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Larry
I just want someone to be upfront with me from the get-go. I am not unreasonable, and am not going to hold someone to an exact delivery date...sometimes things happen.
One cue I commissioned years ago, I was told would be 4 months...worked out to be more like 6 months. However, the cuemaker stayed in contact with me...so I had no worries.
My most recent cue commissioned, the cue maker was upfront and told me he would NOT quote me a delivery date, as it is a hobby, and his family and primary business came first. He was very frank with me and told me that acquiring a cue from him would require patience on my part. He is very well respected, crafts a bang up cue, and to me...it was worth the wait. I just appreciated the fact that he was straight-up with me from the start...and would not accept one thin dime from me until the cue was ready to ship.
I believe that clear communication is key, and that a dialog remains open throughout the process. I believe that when this happens, then no matter the wait, both the customer and the maker, in the end, are satisfied.
Lisa
One cue I commissioned years ago, I was told would be 4 months...worked out to be more like 6 months. However, the cuemaker stayed in contact with me...so I had no worries.
My most recent cue commissioned, the cue maker was upfront and told me he would NOT quote me a delivery date, as it is a hobby, and his family and primary business came first. He was very frank with me and told me that acquiring a cue from him would require patience on my part. He is very well respected, crafts a bang up cue, and to me...it was worth the wait. I just appreciated the fact that he was straight-up with me from the start...and would not accept one thin dime from me until the cue was ready to ship.
I believe that clear communication is key, and that a dialog remains open throughout the process. I believe that when this happens, then no matter the wait, both the customer and the maker, in the end, are satisfied.
Lisa
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cubswin said:
Oh well then you obviously like me and I have been perceiving you the wrong way becasue I am NOT a scam artist....
I have been playing competitively for over 21yrs and reparing and building cues for 18 of those years and are pretty well known and respected here in my little corner of the world here in Florida when it comes to pool....
So just becasue you don't know who I am or have a list of my credentials does not give you the right to judge me or call me a scam artsit since I have NOT scammed anyone !
If you want to get into a name calling contest than goto JIMBO's board and fire away !:thumbup:
- Eddie Wheat
secretsquirrel said:
Exactly! Mr. Ed made a number of comments on ways of doing repair or techniques that I never agreed with and some on this forum chirped up and let him know that there were much better ways of doing what he was expounding on. I never once made a comment on his -blunders- . I finally had enough of his self proclaimed "professional opinion" when he got on this cue makers forum and tried to use it as his private message board to his customers, that he stated that no one else was allowed to respond to, to let them know that he wouldn't be able to make his promised completion dates on the cues he had taken a deposit for, because he never had the shaft wood. A number of people started proclaiming how honest and up front he was for making this statement. That was the last straw as far as I was concerned. I, now could see that people were actually falling for his 100% B/S sales, experience and technique claims. The man has absolutely no integrity. He will do and say anything to make a sale and get into a customers pocket. The minute that he took a customers order, he new what materials he had on hand to fill their order. Plastics, metal hardware and finish can be ordered and immediately installed into a cue. The wood that is used, however, can not. It must acclimatize, age and be incrementally turned to have any chance of being stable for future use. Delays can happen. If he had said his shop burned down, or the plastic manufacturer was on strike or he fell off the roof and broke both his arms then I could understand him letting his customers know there would be a delay. No shaft wood? What possible kind of excuse is that? Different builders have different rates of incrementally turning their shafts. I've heard people state anywhere from 3 months to 10 years. The thing is, it is not something that can be done overnight. Every cue maker knows how much wood he has in reserve, ready to build cues with. When Mr. Ed was taking his orders he knew exactly how much wood he had on hand to use. It was no surprise or shock when he found he was short to fill orders. Why did he promise this quick turn around, when he knew there was no possible way that he could meet the time schedule. He wanted the MONEY. It made no difference how many lies he had to tell as long as he got the MONEY.
Cue makers have to have some integrity to survive. A lot of them work on a shoestring so can't afford to buy supplies in larger quantities so as to get better price breaks. So now they must charge a little more or not make as much profit as other, shall we say, better established cue makers. They often need some money up front just to buy supplies and so on. Hence, many want a deposit somewhere between 20.00 to 100%. Why would anyone in this world send another this amount of money for something he will not receive for anywhere from a few weeks to a few years? One reason, trust in the integrity of the cue maker he is doing business with. When people like Mr. Ed, and a few others, lie and steal to get into a customers pocket, it doesn't just hurt him but it hurts the entire industry. Customers don't trust sending a deposit or buying on line as the chance of being conned increases daily. If the cue makers don't try to police their own ranks or at least try to warn the unwary, then they are just as responsible as the culprit who is actually doing the larceny. This is just my opinion but I will always stand by it.
Dick
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I am not sure about all cue makers but I DO know this. The guy who built my cue tended to be on a shoestring but he still maxed out his credit cards to buy 10,000 shaft blanks and dowels, most of which he burned or sold to other cue makers of less than stellar quality control. 100 shaft blanks? Not even close to enough to support a cue business in my opinion. My cue builder still has probably 500 and doesn't even build cues anymore some of which we turned back in 1991 it takes alot of time and care to make sure you get the very best.
Best wishes to Mr. Wheat and good luck in your endeavors you may need it.
Larry
I am not sure about all cue makers but I DO know this. The guy who built my cue tended to be on a shoestring but he still maxed out his credit cards to buy 10,000 shaft blanks and dowels, most of which he burned or sold to other cue makers of less than stellar quality control. 100 shaft blanks? Not even close to enough to support a cue business in my opinion. My cue builder still has probably 500 and doesn't even build cues anymore some of which we turned back in 1991 it takes alot of time and care to make sure you get the very best.
Best wishes to Mr. Wheat and good luck in your endeavors you may need it.
Larry
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rhncue said:
Dick, if you will total the number of cue makers in the USA and then subtract the number that HAVE policed or warned the unwary, divide the remainder by 700, I will gladly send in my share of negligence to Mr Charlie Edwards.
Actually, I might be responsible for more than that as I have posted some positive comments about Eddie.
Can you come up with a way to calculate the extra amount of responsibility and/or liability for that?
Now please do not feel I am picking on you.
I am just responding to your line of reasoning and using a bit of sarcasm to make my point.
Eddie is solely responsible for Eddie's business and Mr. Edwards is a grown man fully capable of taking care of this situation should he choose to do so.
He made his post and said his piece.
Everyone with the slightest interest in such matters has read all about it.
I (or any other cue maker) am in no way responsible for Eddie Wheat and the business deals he makes.
secretsquirrel said:
Here is yet another prime example of a non cue maker telling other cue makers all about their business.
I have a cue making business and I order shafts 50 or so at a time.
I have on hand about 60 in various stages of process.
Are you really gonna come on here and tell me that isnt enough to support my business?
Perhaps I sound a bit harsh and I understand that you think you might become more popular if you follow the flow of popular logic but I would respect you a lot more (and might even give you a rep) if you would have added "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION" to that post.
It would still be wrong but no so offensive.
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Post so edited, you are correct, it is my opinion and I also know that for every 5 good shafts he got he wound up throwing 5 away due to imperfections during final turning and finishing. Also you are correct in saying that I am not a cue builder but, I did work with one as his beyotch, and repair guy for quite awhile.So I did see alot of what you guys go through and I do feel for you for all the bad things that can happen while you exercise your creativity.
Thanks for your time.
Larry
Post so edited, you are correct, it is my opinion and I also know that for every 5 good shafts he got he wound up throwing 5 away due to imperfections during final turning and finishing. Also you are correct in saying that I am not a cue builder but, I did work with one as his beyotch, and repair guy for quite awhile.So I did see alot of what you guys go through and I do feel for you for all the bad things that can happen while you exercise your creativity.
Thanks for your time.
Larry
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