Cuemakers, Pro Players & AZ

Funny, but you're the one playing the victim card. WITH LIES.
You are sick John. It's freakin early morning there and you haven't slept all night . All you want to do is argue , argue, argue , argue .
Nobody can shut you up. Not even nature.
All you want to do is drag people to your level.

You know what they say about arguing with fools..
 
he's terrified of Stan for some reason.

Lou never seemed to have a very good sense of humor and {rumor has it that} he's terrified of Stan because of an "aiming system" or something. :groucho:

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yáll have to admit, that this is funny! good one, CJ!
 
The thread, while it does address a very real situation on AZB should never have been allowed to flourish at all as it is really not pool related.

John, I have to disagree with the part of your statement in bold. The thread certainly started out pool related but in true AZ fashion was redirected into the mess it is now. That is one of the reasons lots of cue makers and pro players do not post here. My hats off to the ones that do and that does include you, Joey and anyone else in the industry that takes the opportunity to use the forum for the positive promotion of pool. I am not in agreement with all the unnecessary, unprofessional conduct I see here so much lately..
 
The thread, while it does address a very real situation on AZB should never have been allowed to flourish at all as it is really not pool related.

John, I have to disagree with the part of your statement in bold. The thread certainly started out pool related but in true AZ fashion was redirected into the mess it is now. That is one of the reasons lots of cue makers and pro players do not post here. My hats off to the ones that do and that does include you, Joey and anyone else in the industry that takes the opportunity to use the forum for the positive promotion of pool. I am not in agreement with all the unnecessary, unprofessional conduct I see here so much lately..

I responded to your original post in post #197 in case you didn't notice, or do you think that's not a "positive promotion of pool"?

I'm not obligated to promote pool am I? Can we not discuss the matters of the day in pool without promoting it?

ONB
 
The thread, while it does address a very real situation on AZB should never have been allowed to flourish at all as it is really not pool related. Except for the FACT that pool people avoid AZB because of some of the peeps here.

I was just going to post that Old Nine said it best in post #197.

There is no monetary gain for the Pros to hang out here. They only drop in and talk honey when they want something. Money.

Something that Ray Poitras posted here before the last 4 Bears Tourney. One pro, that had asked for full sponsorship to 4 Bears, when asked if he would be willing to do some seminars with the people for sponsorship said, NO.

They don't want to work for what they get and figure that their name should carry weight.

Not our fault that we figured that one out some time ago.

But anyway, I will never subscribe to that line of thinking that we as members, any of us are responsible for Pros not posting here. It goes a bit deeper than that John.
 
I am a peach to be around. In person I am a lot of fun. Getting ready to play you for ten thousand I offered to play the guy you are talking about for $1000 to warm up. Gotta love a guy who is willing to do that. But I guess that guy wasn't in a mood to play pool and only wanted to be there to shark me.

As for Joey, he is singing a very different tune in "public". With all the "man up" talk.... guess it's easier to be puffing up when you're putting on the public face. What I said to him is the same in private and public.



I need to shut my trap? Please try that again. The record speaks for itself. I am polite until I am attacked. And will it settle "it" if you beat me up? Will it be settled if I beat you up?

What is the "it" you think will be settled by violence?

I don't care what you are sick of. On this forum I NEVER attacked you first, you were unknown to me when you started in on me. I even asked my friend who is your friend what your problem is and asked him to intervene to make peace. But even that didn't work as you are an incredibly odious person.

If you don't want things to be here then just exercise your will and leave me alone. since I don't even know how you look I will just wait for you to sneak up on me.


I saw, with my own eyes, along numerous other witnesses, that you were a complete and total douche in NJ in the manner that you barked at Eric. He would have been completely within his rights to deck you and you would have gone in for some serious dental surgery within 24 hours.

Myself and several others would have been more than happy to testify that way. The *only* reason that that didn't happen was because an AZer intervened for the sake of our match.

I have also witnessed the many fights you've gotten into here, some of which ended in threats against your body.

As for Joey... me, I wouldn't be going into Hardtimes anytime soon if I were you, from what I've heard, back channel :-)

So, John, if you ever do get decked, or worse, in a pool room, which I suspect that now that you're back in the States is more than likely to happen, given your "effervescent" personality, I promise you that people all over the country will be more than willing to come out of the woodwork to testify, "He had it coming."

More people *hate* you, John, than even mildly dislike me.

Lou Figueroa
 
Psychics tell how "Pros" think, act, and what drives their behavior,

It's funny to hear anonymous posters "squirt" (not deflect) comments about how "Pros" think, act, and what drives their behavior, meantime they don't personally know one......no, not even one.
 
It's funny to hear anonymous posters "squirt" (not deflect) comments about how "Pros" think, act, and what drives their behavior, meantime they don't personally know one......no, not even one.

And by definition you do not know the "anonymous" posters and therefore cannot possibly know who they know or don't know.

ONb
 
If you are referring to my post CJ, yer right. I don't know any. Any from what I have read on AZ when they do post, I'm glad that I don't.

Earl being the exception. I would gladly take lessons and spend a month with him any time.

Not trying to make it personal, but what do you do with the Forum that would be considered exceptional, except selling DVDs.
 
More people *hate* you, John, than even mildly dislike me.

Lou Figueroa

Not that I think it will get me into heaven or anything but I'll say this; I don't hate or even mildly dislike either of you but I do wish you'd take your fight somewhere else. It's like reading SJD & Freddy or SJD and the 3 Cushion guy on 1P.org..

ONB
 
Not that I think it will get me into heaven or anything but I'll say this; I don't hate or even mildly dislike either of you but I do wish you'd take your fight somewhere else. It's like reading SJD & Freddy or SJD and the 3 Cushion guy on 1P.org..

ONB


Yes, of course you're right, and I'm tired of it too.

Sometimes it fun to exchange jabs, but John is truly whacked in a profoundly sick kind of way, so it has lost some of its allure.

I'm done in this thread.

Lou Figueroa
 
What can a man possibly profit from acquiring the world, and missing the last 8 Ball?

If you want to get technical you can't possibly know anything......everything you think you know is merely a secondary representation of reality....a reality that is no doubt flawed by modalities poorly suited to perform such a task.

'The Game is the Teacher'

What can a man possibly profit from acquiring the world, and missing the last 8 Ball?

And by definition you do not know the "anonymous" posters and therefore cannot possibly know who they know or don't know.

ONb
 
The Ultimate "Claim to Fame" - it's like selling water in the desert

Thanks, I will go down in history as an exceptional DVD salesman - even though it was the easiest job in the world, I still appreciate the compliment. Many people will never know how difficult it is to get a sincere compliment on azbilliard's forum.

However, today I'm giving DVDs away instead of selling them, if you check out my offer from a couple of hours ago in the other thread. The first 10 that comment receive a FREE DVD and a special "extra" gift. click here




If you are referring to my post CJ, yer right. I don't know any. Any from what I have read on AZ when they do post, I'm glad that I don't.

Earl being the exception. I would gladly take lessons and spend a month with him any time.

Not trying to make it personal, but what do you do with the Forum that would be considered exceptional, except selling DVDs.
 
I responded to your original post in post #197 in case you didn't notice, or do you think that's not a "positive promotion of pool"?

I'm not obligated to promote pool am I? Can we not discuss the matters of the day in pool without promoting it?

ONB

I did read your post but chose not to respond to it. I have met many pros that I have great respect for and would never consider them parasites on society. For the record I also do not think that is a positive promotion of pool. Anyway you and everyone else has every right to discuss anything you want and no one is obligated to promote pool. Some people choose to be positive other's choose not too.
 
And by definition you do not know the "anonymous" posters and therefore cannot possibly know who they know or don't know.

ONb

If you want to get technical you can't possibly know anything......everything you think you know is merely a secondary representation of reality....a reality that is no doubt flawed by modalities poorly suited to perform such a task.

'The Game is the Teacher'

What can a man possibly profit from acquiring the world, and missing the last 8 Ball?

Your brilliant insights and wonderful way with the English language (which you rarely spell correctly) has me mesmerized by your genius even if I don't have a clue to WTF you said. But I'm calmed by the realization that you don't either since nothing you wrote refutes my post.

ONB
 
I did read your post but chose not to respond to it. I have met many pros that I have great respect for and would never consider them parasites on society. For the record I also do not think that is a positive promotion of pool. Anyway you and everyone else has every right to discuss anything you want and no one is obligated to promote pool. Some people choose to be positive other's choose not too.

I did not say "many pros", I said "The large percentage of "pro players" are unemployed bums who are basically parasites on society."

Either way, thanks for your response.

ONB
 
I saw, with my own eyes, along numerous other witnesses, that you were a complete and total douche in NJ in the manner that you barked at Eric. He would have been completely within his rights to deck you and you would have gone in for some serious dental surgery within 24 hours.

Myself and several others would have been more than happy to testify that way. The *only* reason that that didn't happen was because an AZer intervened for the sake of our match.

I have also witnessed the many fights you've gotten into here, some of which ended in threats against your body.

As for Joey... me, I wouldn't be going into Hardtimes anytime soon if I were you, from what I've heard, back channel :-)

So, John, if you ever do get decked, or worse, in a pool room, which I suspect that now that you're back in the States is more than likely to happen, given your "effervescent" personality, I promise you that people all over the country will be more than willing to come out of the woodwork to testify, "He had it coming."

More people *hate* you, John, than even mildly dislike me.

Lou Figueroa

Oh please. I asked the guy to play some pool and he said he was there to watch me get goat screwed. I said nothing remotely douchey or hateful to him. I offered to play pool for money and that's it.

Make no mistake Lou you are HATED by many and intensely disliked by many more.

Of course you would be willing to perjure yourself. That's all you PROBABLY did for you entire career for all I know. You certainly haven't been honest on AZB.

As for Eric he would have been arrested for assault and then sued.

He is another example of why pros don't want to post here. I could mention something else relevant to this thread that directly concerns a couple pros and Eric's comments but there is no need. Let's just say that not everyone present shared your view of events and some had my back should Eric have followed through with his "double dog dare" threat.

Again, IF people were not allowed to be complete assholes on here then we wouldn't be having this discussion. You seem to act like it's perfectly ok for people to threaten me....you the SAME guy who said that no one should be upset about words on the internet....the same guy who whined that you are just a guy giving your opinion....and that Stan shouldn't take offense that you called him a snake-oil salesman and insinuated that he is a con artist.

So which is it Lou? Should people be upset and therefore justified in perpetrating violence over words or should they simply be thick skinned and wave it off?

And if the former why then am I not allowed to be upset at other people's words?
 
The thread, while it does address a very real situation on AZB should never have been allowed to flourish at all as it is really not pool related.

John, I have to disagree with the part of your statement in bold. The thread certainly started out pool related but in true AZ fashion was redirected into the mess it is now. That is one of the reasons lots of cue makers and pro players do not post here. My hats off to the ones that do and that does include you, Joey and anyone else in the industry that takes the opportunity to use the forum for the positive promotion of pool. I am not in agreement with all the unnecessary, unprofessional conduct I see here so much lately..

It's really more people related IMO. Yes pool related because the toxic people keep the larger industry and pros away from here.

I guess what I really want to say is that this thread has become exactly the type of example of why they don't want to post. Think about it....here you have three or four "people" openly disobeying the rules with name calling, slander, ad hominem attacks and harassment and nothing is being done to stop it.

Why would anyone want to come here if they knew they could be attacked the way these people are attacking me?

Especially if they weren't as feisty as I am and ready to take these people on.
 
I was just going to post that Old Nine said it best in post #197.

There is no monetary gain for the Pros to hang out here. They only drop in and talk honey when they want something. Money.

Something that Ray Poitras posted here before the last 4 Bears Tourney. One pro, that had asked for full sponsorship to 4 Bears, when asked if he would be willing to do some seminars with the people for sponsorship said, NO.

They don't want to work for what they get and figure that their name should carry weight.

Not our fault that we figured that one out some time ago.

But anyway, I will never subscribe to that line of thinking that we as members, any of us are responsible for Pros not posting here. It goes a bit deeper than that John.

How many pros do you actually know? How many have you ever spent any time with? How many have you had any conversations with?

I know many of them and have spent a lot of time with many of them and have spoken about lots of life stuff with many of them. They are people too.

And you would be 100% wrong about thinking that some pros and some industry people stay away from AZB SPECIFICALLY because of a few members.

Many pros would more willing to hang out and talk pool IF they felt like they weren't going to be attacked if they said something "wrong". But this place is toxic because all it takes is a couple people to be complete assholes to spoil the conversation.

Remember how James Walden was strung up by the AZB posse last year? Some anon came on and said James stole from a stakehorse and the AZB know-it-alls were only too happy to dump on him and declare that he is an example of low life pros and the sad state of pool etc.... Only a few of us stood up and said hold on, let's find out the facts first.....and then turns out the whole thing was a fabrication by a pissed off girlfriend.

This place is gossip central and some of the people here telling me to "behave" are the same people who NEVER chastise others for arguing. Have you ever said a word to Lou about how he talks to people? Not that I have seen. Ever been critical of all the shitty things said to Stan Shuffett?

Lou never gave a shit about how Connie Shuffett felt about all the horrid things Lou said about her husband. Nor did Lou give a shit about how Landon Shuffett feels about all the shit Lou aid about his dad. Nor did you ever once criticize Lou for all that crap.

So save it. Some of us actually have real conversations with pros and industry insiders about AZB in person. You can believe what you want but you can't change the FACT that the largest forum for pool has VERY FEW pros and industry people actively participating.

Yet on Facebook there are pros in abundance and industry people from the world's best brands easily reachable and willing to answer any question. So maybe you can make yourself believe it's not because of the climate here but the climate is in fact a big part of it.

This community could be awesome. It's already full of good people and it is because of those people that I stay here. If we were to make people actually follow the rules and stop them from trolling and defaming then it would be fantastic.
 
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