D Appleton is against pivoting for spin ?

[Patrick Johnson]

...a parallel shaft/tip position is inherently very inconsistent WITHOUT factoring in deflection and throw. It's a guess.

Who besides you has mentioned a parallel shift/tip position? The comparison being made here is a straight stroke along the straight line angled for spin/squirt/throw vs. getting the tip to the same place, along an arced path designed to be moving in the same direction at contact.

P.S. It's all "a guess" no matter how you make it - some ways are simply inherently more consistent than others (guess which).

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[Patrick Johnson]

...go outside the lines and rigid ways of thinking to get the job not only done, but to be MORE consistent and accurate since it CAN be DONE that way.

That's like saying pivoting a gun across the shot line can be MORE consistent and accurate than holding it still on the shot line.

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[SpiderWebComm]

That's like saying pivoting a gun across the shot line can be MORE consistent and accurate than holding it still on the shot line.

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Not the same. In the end the front sight and rear sight has to be aligned with the target. BUT, you can come into that perfect straight on alignment from all kinds of different angles. Low to target, high to target, right to left to target, left to right to target...

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...you can come into that perfect straight on alignment from all kinds of different angles.

Including the most consistent/reliable "angle": straight along the "perfect straight on" alignment.

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[SpiderWebComm]

Who besides you has mentioned a parallel shift/tip position?

That IS the way you play with english though, correct? You're the one knocking an angled cue whether from a pivot or wrist position.

P.S. It's all "a guess" no matter how you make it

If you have a different aim point on the OB that factors it all in, there is NO GUESSING.

- some ways are simply inherently more consistent than others (guess which).

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I'll go with MY way, not YOURS. I know your way and did it for years. You have no friggin' clue what I see, do, or how to perform it. So, keep guessing...

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Including the most consistent/reliable "angle": straight along the "perfect straight on" alignment.

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Paint/crayon by the numbers from Pat Johnson.

Here's a demonstration of how it can be done with BH angled cue by your Lord and Master of pool. Looks pretty accurate to me.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Who besides you has mentioned a parallel shift/tip position?

That IS the way you play with english though, correct?

lol

So you've never actually read any of my posts - I'm not particularly surprised.

I've always said that "parallel" english is an oxymoron - can't possibly work except on rare occasions. I come down on spin shots with my aim/stance/cue pre-angled for squirve/throw correction.

Take another 25 years to absorb that.

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[Patrick Johnson]

Paint/crayon by the numbers from Pat Johnson.

Here's a demonstration of how it can be done with BH angled cue by your Lord and Master of pool. Looks pretty accurate to me.

You should watch that again - try to understand it rather than just trolling for "ammo". The end result of BHE is a cue angled and stroked straight along the necessary "spin corrected for squirt/swerve/throw" line - exactly what I've always advocated (with a corresponding slight stance shift).

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[SpiderWebComm]

lol So you've never actually read any of my posts - I'm not particularly surprised.

If anybody on here over the years ever read all of your posts and took them as gospel, they deserve what they got for being stupid.

I've always said that "parallel" english is an oxymoron - can't possibly work. I come down on spin shots with my aim/stance/cue pre-angled for squirve/throw correction.

Take another 25 years to absorb that.

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The good thing is, I'll probably have a good chance of still being here on Earth and not yet your current age.
You? Not too many left. Certainly not 25.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

You should watch that again - try to understand it rather than just trolling for "ammo". The end result of BHE is a cue angled and stroked straight along the necessary "spin corrected for squirt/swerve/throw" line - exactly what I've always advocated (with a corresponding slight stance shift).

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You should read what I posted in #185. "If you have a different aim point on the OB that factors it all in, there is NO GUESSING."

Unlike you...NO STANCE SHIFT REQUIRED! I angle the cue for DIFFERENT PURPOSES. First to make the shot on a predetermined tip position and cue angle either WITH SPIN or NO SPIN.

If you know what I mean, lay it out as I posted, or you understand it. You don't know Jack SHITTT now just as you didn't 25 years ago or anywhere in between.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Take another 25 years to absorb that.

The good thing is, I'll probably have a good chance of still being here on Earth and not yet your current age.
You? Not too many left. Certainly not 25.

lol

I was being generous. You'll obviously need more than another 25 years.

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[Patrick Johnson]

You should read what I posted in #185. "If you have a different aim point on the OB that factors it all in, there is NO GUESSING."

You should tell us all what you think that means.

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[SpiderWebComm]

You should tell us all what you think that means.

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I know exactly what it means. You certainly don't and never have.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

lol

I was being generous. You'll obviously need more than another 25 years.

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I don't think 3 reincarnations would do you any good, especially if you came back as the same know it all Patrick Johnson.
You could get lucky and come back as a trained seal. (not NAVY)

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I know exactly what it means. You certainly don't and never have.

And you're certainly not going to risk trying to explain it...

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[SpiderWebComm]

And you're certainly not going to risk trying to explain it...

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I've explained it to plenty of people here in PM's and in person. They got it. You? ROTFLMFAO!!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I've explained it to plenty of people here in PM's and in person. They got it. You? ROTFLMFAO!!

I get it... better 100 unsupported claims than one that can be openly disproved.

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[SpiderWebComm]

I get it... better 100 unsupported claims than one that can be openly disproved.

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Go on FB and you'll get all the supported claims you can handle. And you'll end up getting openly disproved looking like the clueless dolt that you are and always have been and we're talking about some super players in the world of pool doing it.

Not some fantasy world nobody like you.

 

[BC21]

I think the only thing a last-second wrist action can do that a straight stroke cannot is provide extra speed just before contact.

Huh? Is this from experience or imagined? I'll go with imagined because you said "I THINK" instead of "I KNOW FOR A FACT".

Lol....it's called physics.

It isn't a "flick" of the wrist. Whether it's pool or golf the slightly altered 'position' of the wrist will alter the shaft angle in pool or the club face angle at impact with the ball in golf. If it was straight at address, it will be open or closed at impact if the wrist becomes "cupped" or "bowed" somewhere in the swing. For a pro, they could do it intentionally to get a fade or a draw just like a pool player can do it for different reasons.

Oh God, with you this is going to turn into some kind of novel with 35 different chapters coming from every galaxy in the universe. I can't wait for the "mind's eye" and all of its possibilities for perfection.

Do you even play golf? Lmao

There is a point in the swing where the cocked wrist whips the club to gain speed. It isn't a flipping or twist of the wrist just as the club is about to strike the ball. The wrist action I'm talking about is the point where the wrist simply comes unhinged and whips the club head. But this swing action happens a good 2ft or more before the club head strikes the ball. It is strictly for developing club head speed.

That's all a similar wrist action (like swooping the tip into the cb) would do on a pool stroke - increase the tip speed. No special ball trajectory is created that could not be created with a normal, straight stroke. Of course, more speed creates more spin, so you have that going, but that's it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

There is a point in the swing where the cocked wrist whips the club to gain speed. It isn't a flipping or twist of the wrist just as the club is about to strike the ball. The wrist action I'm talking about is the point where the wrist simply comes unhinged and whips the club head. But this swing action happens a good 2ft or more before the club head strikes the ball. It is strictly for developing club head speed.

Which can be significant for a golf swing where the wrist action is magnified by the club's length, but not very much for a pool stroke where only a few inches of magnification (the hand's size) is available.

That's all a similar wrist action (like swooping the tip into the cb) would do on a pool stroke - increase the tip speed. No special ball trajectory is created that could not be created with a normal, straight stroke.

Of course, more speed creates more spin

To pick a nit (who, me?!? )... more tip speed creates more spin and more CB speed. The CB's spin/speed ratio (the important thing for CB control) is unchanged.

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