Damn 3C players...

jay helfert said:
Maybe I watched the wrong tape. What I saw was a guy who shot the wrong ball like three times, and played some bad position along with it. He had to get lucky kicking in the eight ball. From what I saw he would have no chance with any top pool player at Eight Ball.
Yes he is a great 3C player, but he better stick to that game. :D
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Well I think your post is way out of line for one thing. By watching that video it doesnt look like he would have a chance playing a good short stop......LOL. I have seen him play eightball before I hope that was just a show for the crowd.
 
JusticeNJ said:
ive always been a fan of blomdahl. after watching a few of his accu stats videos, i've always wondered if he is safeable. seriously. what are the odds of getting ball in hand if you play 9 ball with these guys. ever.

justin.
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Bet they've never been corner hooked!

Bloomdahl is a strong 9-ball player too.
 
Fatboy said:
he made it hard
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Yes, he did. Like drunk driving.

Fatboy said:
I think perhaps he is the best all time 3C player, he has ran 31 and is amazing at artistic billiards and trick shots-other than play pool he is the best.
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Blomdahl will fight you both over that!
 
While Semih is busy having his career ruined by Turkish politics, Dick Jaspers looks to be the one to take over billiards from Blomdahl.

Semih and Daniel Sanchez are fantastic players, as well as some of the other Europeans like Forthomme, but Jaspers is the only one getting close to Blomdahl, Ceulemens and the old time legends IMO at this point.
 
Fatboy said:
I meant in overall terms-entertainer, tricks, tournment,artistic, origoanl shots-he is the whole package, But interms of just a tournment player then he has competition, however he does share the all time high run 31, I wonder how long thats going to last?? 3C is a hell'uv a game. was that a 6 letter word??
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Not long. Jaspers ran a 34 a little while back.
 
eze123 said:
Not long. Jaspers ran a 34 a little while back.
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That's insane! I can't even comprehend somebody running that many billiards. To me that's just as impressive as running over 500 balls in Straight Pool.

My pool equivalent to billiards would be something like this. Running 10 in 3C would compare to running 100 in 14.1, very good players will occasionally do it. Running 15 compares with running 200, a rare feat in both games. Running 20 is like running 300, extremely rare in either game. Running 25 is like running over 400, almost off the charts. And running 30 is like running 500+, just about a world record in either game.
 
Jay, your equivalent ratings between 3C and 14.1 are right on I think. I used to play 3C a lot, have a lot of tapes/DVDs/books at home, reached a point where I was pretty decent (.6 - .7) and finally did manage to run 10, but was more happy with my consistency. Certainly teaches you a lot about controlling the balls, and improves your kicking/banking/safety play in pool. Unfortunately no tables here in Jacksonville, so I'm not able to play anymore - I miss it...

My high run in straight pool is 72, but I don't play often at all. I think, just maybe, if I concentrated on the game for a couple months I could get back to that point again and maybe, maybe have a chance to run 100. I think the third part of the trifecta is having a hundred break in snooker - for me, that's just unreachable, I ran 49 points once and was elated...

I think it was Don Feeney back in Chicago that I heard has accomplished all 3 feats. If so, I think he's in a select group...
Scott
 
scottjen26 said:
Jay, your equivalent ratings between 3C and 14.1 are right on I think. I used to play 3C a lot, have a lot of tapes/DVDs/books at home, reached a point where I was pretty decent (.6 - .7) and finally did manage to run 10, but was more happy with my consistency. Certainly teaches you a lot about controlling the balls, and improves your kicking/banking/safety play in pool. Unfortunately no tables here in Jacksonville, so I'm not able to play anymore - I miss it...

My high run in straight pool is 72, but I don't play often at all. I think, just maybe, if I concentrated on the game for a couple months I could get back to that point again and maybe, maybe have a chance to run 100. I think the third part of the trifecta is having a hundred break in snooker - for me, that's just unreachable, I ran 49 points once and was elated...

I think it was Don Feeney back in Chicago that I heard has accomplished all 3 feats. If so, I think he's in a select group...
Scott
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Scott,

I've never done any of the three, but I'm still young. I have lots of time to improve :smile: . Coincidentally, my high run in 14.1 is also 72. Probably my greatest feats on a pool table are kicking in four balls in a row in a match (I got hooked each time). These were not easy kicks either. None of the four balls was close to the pocket, and I kicked them all straight in! And I have banked all nine balls in Short Rack Banks two or three times.

Small solace for a lifetime shortstop.
 
Sorry to go out on a tangent...

My limited exposure to billiards' history leaves me with the thought that the US had the best players in the World (up to the 50's?), but the game has obviously fallen out of favor domestically. Why is this?

It is an awesome game- equally as cool and possibly more tortuous than pocket billiards- and the advances in technology that billiards equipment has seen puts pool to shame. Point being, R/D $ is there because there is a market for it. Why are the Euros the only ones who are keeping the flame burning?

And for those who don't know, check out what I just bought!
 

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eze123 said:
Not long. Jaspers ran a 34 a little while back.
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Sort of. He was playing 15 point games. In the first game he ran 13 and out. In the second game he ran 15 and out. In the third game he made 6 from the break. That's 34 in a row without a miss, but does it count as a 34 billiard "run"? No matter, it's still incredible, and I would rank Jaspers ahead of Sayginer right now.


Mark
 
34 trumps Mosconi's 500 run on the 8 footer imo, by a longshot

I'm thinking a 34 is maybe equal to a 500 run on a 9 footer or 3 consecutive 147's on a snooker table (the top snooker guys have been known to shoot two in a row during practice)

hard to say with straight pool because endurance/boredom/health/time all play factors in the big runs

if the world pool championships were decided by straight pool high runs, I think you would see players destroy the 500 mark
 
jay helfert said:
My pool equivalent to billiards would be something like this. Running 10 in 3C would compare to running 100 in 14.1, very good players will occasionally do it. Running 15 compares with running 200, a rare feat in both games. Running 20 is like running 300, extremely rare in either game. Running 25 is like running over 400, almost off the charts. And running 30 is like running 500+, just about a world record in either game.
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IMO, I like your comparison but the numbers should be slightly higher by about 20%. Dallas West has countless 100+ runs in 14.1 and claims a 26 in 3c. I'll check with him to get a comparison.
 
mbvl said:
Sort of. He was playing 15 point games. In the first game he ran 13 and out. In the second game he ran 15 and out. In the third game he made 6 from the break. That's 34 in a row without a miss, but does it count as a 34 billiard "run"? No matter, it's still incredible, and I would rank Jaspers ahead of Sayginer right now.


Mark
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Yeah, question of definition I guess. I think you almost have to count it, maybe unofficially, being as they're playing generally 15, 30, 40, or 50 point games. Even at a 50 point game, if you're capable of running 30+, what are the odds that you're going to get the run right at the beginning of the match? At 15 point games, you have no chance of breaking a record. Anyway, 34 without a miss is pretty superhuman no matter how you look at it.
 
alot of oldtime pool players claim high runs in 3c

granted, they did play the game more than today's guys but......
 
jay helfert said:
Scott,

I've never done any of the three, but I'm still young. I have lots of time to improve :smile: . Coincidentally, my high run in 14.1 is also 72. Probably my greatest feats on a pool table are kicking in four balls in a row in a match (I got hooked each time). These were not easy kicks either. None of the four balls was close to the pocket, and I kicked them all straight in! And I have banked all nine balls in Short Rack Banks two or three times.

Small solace for a lifetime shortstop.
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The kick shots are impressive, as are the runout in banks. I think the high runs in the other games come with experience and playing that particular game a lot. I myself tend to be very consistent and not have wild swings in any sport I play, so when I ran 10 in 3 cushion (and missed #11 by 1/4", as is typical in the game) I regularly ran 5 or 6, at least once each session, and had already run 7's and 8's a dozen or more times and a 9 once or twice. The 70 plus in straight pool was hard, the closer you get the more nervous you get. My typical high run every game or two was in the 3 rack range (30 - 40), I think I had only run over 50 once or twice before. My run ended with too straight of a break shot, and I hit the rack but nothing came out that was pocketable. It came toward the end of playing 5 or 6 games of straight pool a week for a month or two.

Oh well, a great game, and one of these days I'm going to start playing more regularly again, I've got several good books and videos I can re-read or re-watch to get back in the swing again. It definitely helps the 9 and 10 ball game...
Scott
 
Johan Ruijsink,Mosconi Cup Captain of European Team ,was among spectators in a 3C tournament organized by AGIPI in 2008.He was not very talkative about why he was there but he said in an interview:'Semih has a great ,great arm .One day I want to see him play pool'.İt is only my speculation but I thought that Ruijsink was present becouse of Semih Saygıner (he knew Saygıner 's participation to 3C world cup events was banned by The Turkish Federation and he was free at that time)he probably offered a seat to Saygıner in the Mosconi Team but I speculate again that Saygıner cleverly refused.

My country man is a monster on 3C table but the video shows a man who cannot control the cue ball on a pool table.

His background is as far as I know straight rail.He was scoring thousands of points(caroms) in one inning in that game in his twenties but he has been playing 3C for maybe more twenty years professionally and very accustomed to 3C speeds and He did not grow up in a pool environment like Reyes and I do not think that he played much pool in his life so some of his ineffeciency in pool table is understandable

Regards,
 
TimurA said:
... so some of his inefficiency in pool table is understandable
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I've seen him play pool when he wanted to play well, and he is not inefficient. I've also seen him play when he was not interested in playing correctly, as in the video. I'd like to see him in a pool competition.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I've seen him play pool when he wanted to play well, and he is not inefficient. I've also seen him play when he was not interested in playing correctly, as in the video. I'd like to see him in a pool competition.
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I agree - looks to me like a casual game. Not talking about 3C players in general, but anyone at Carom Cafe can back up that Blomdahl and Semih can play very good pool. Semih can be spotty, Blomdahl is deadly at any game with a cue and balls, he made a good run at 5 pins when he put his mind to it. Wei documented a great one cushion shot that he made.

Blomdahl did take Reyes on the 3C-9ball challenge too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEGYPzc3ywg&feature=related
 
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