Danny D. vs. Ronnie 1p............

bbb said:
the guys of today would have trouble moving the cue ball around the table with the mud balls and old cloth
because they dont have the stroke to do it
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We hear this a lot but A) the slowness of tables that pros played on in yesteryear is greatly exaggerated, and B) I think people would be hard pressed to name even one pro today who wouldn't have the stroke to play on a slower table.
 
The reason 1p is so offensive now all started with RA. He was one of the first guys to go total offense/run out style 1p. Before him it was a much safer bunt-n-hide game. He would have been a monster in any era.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
We hear this a lot but A) the slowness of tables that pros played on in yesteryear is greatly exaggerated, and B) I think people would be hard pressed to name even one pro today who wouldn't have the stroke to play on a slower table.
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how do you know that?
 
bbb said:
how do you know that?
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Because I've played on all the same equipment. Also, there is quite a lot of video of pros playing throughout the years of nearly the past century, and in not one single one of them that I can recall is the table ridiculously slow and in fact they are usually of reasonable speed albeit generally slower than the tables of today.

There was some ridiculously slow equipment here and there but the pros weren't generally playing on it.
 
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garczar said:
it was pretty damn slow. when i started there was no simonis and it was slow but not massively so. i haven't seen any modern players that wouldn't have played well on it. just different. you adjust.
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i respect your opinion as you have been around a long time and around great players
thanks for the postc garczar
but my question to you is this
if ronnie was born in 2020
and spent as much time learning to play pool now as then
do you think ronnie would need a spot to play the top players of today?
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Because I've played on all the same equipment. Also, there is quite a lot of video of pros playing throughout the years of nearly the past century, and in not one single one of them that I can recall is the table ridiculously slow and in fact they are usually of reasonable speed albeit usually a little slower.
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its hard to know how fast or slow a table is since you dont know how hard the player is hitting the ball to end up where they want to
just sayin
lets not side track the thread of 2 great legends alittle past their prime playing an entertaining match
you can start a new thread or pm me to continue the discussion about old players from the past playing todays phenoms
 
bbb said:
its hard to know how fast or slow a table is since you dont know how hard the player is hitting the ball to end up where they want to
just sayin
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I'm guessing you didn't really think about that one before you typed it. Every experienced player I know of can watch some play on a table and have a general feel for how fast or slow it is, certainly anything significantly slow or fast is pretty obvious. And of course you know how hard they hit because you see how fast the cue ball starts out.
 
bbb said:
i respect your opinion as you have been around a long time and around great players
thanks for the postc garczar
but my question to you is this
if ronnie was born in 2020
and spent as much time learning to play pool now as then
do you think ronnie would need a spot to play the top players of today?
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probably not. so hard comparing eras. i know one thing, he had the balls of a burglar and would match up with anybody. played really sporty one handed jacked-up too.
 
I started playing pool in 1971 and more seriously in the early 1980's and the cloth was most definitely slower than the standards used today. Also many of the tables were decades old Gold Crowns that ran much slower than newer Diamond tables. Only a select few players in Oklahoma City in 1985-90 (Toby Fleharty, James Walden, Pittsburg Mike, Fast Eddie Carver, Norman Hitchcock, .....) could really run the cue ball around the table with draw.
 
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Thecoats said:
I stated playing pool in 1971 and more seriously in the early 1980's and the cloth was most definitely slower than the standards used today. Also many of the tables were decades old Gold Crowns that ran much slower than newer Diamond tables. Only a select few players in Oklahoma City in 1985-90 (Toby Fleharty, James Walden, Pittsburg Mike, Fast Eddie Carver, Norman Hitchcock, .....) could really run the cue ball around the table with draw.
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How 'bout the Driller? He had a little pop in his stroke.
 
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I've only had time to watch the first rack - and what a rack that was.
 
Lots of memories. Played a million hours on that table. Re-rubbered and 760 Simonis. It was batshit fast back in in the day.

Golden 8 Ball was legendary. Action central. 2 hr wait list Friday and Saturday at midnight...lol And like 15,000 watts of amplified radio.

First room I saw that had Simonis on all 9fts. 28 9fts (I Think, I should remember as I cleaned every one....) 7 barboxes. A snooker and a billiards. That Centennial was fabulous.

Danny D, Roger Griffis, Terry Osborne, Joey Gold, Steve Knight. Some great players.

edit: Forgot Tommy DiLorenzo
 
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Ronnie Allen was Keith McCready's best friend and mentor for many years. I never knew Ronnie Allen in his prime or seen him shoot, but I've been told he was the best one-handed player in the world and was at that time the best one-pocket player in the world.

I am surprised to see how fast he shoots in one-pocket in this vintage video. Wow! And when I see a younger Danny, I can't help but think, "And his hair was perfect." 🤣

Keith has quite a few Ronnie Allen memories and pool tales. It was Ronnie, for example, that arranged the game with Minnesota Fats and Keith in St. Louis, and it was a hoot. Keith was no competition for Fats when it came to the gift of gab. Fats had the audience eating out of his hand, to include Keith. Keith said he was enjoying himself as much as the railbirds listening and watching The Minnesota Fats Show.

Most of Keith's best pool buddies are gone today. He was kind of the runt in the group, which included Larry Lisciotti, Jimmy Reid, Ronnie Allen, and Cole Dickson. But it was Ronnie who was like his older brother throughout the years, and the two of them stayed tight until Ronnie's death.

Ronnie Allen and Keith.jpg
 
raphcleary said:
I don't know what Ronnie played like in the 60s, but from what I saw in the video, in 1988, where Allen would have been 50 years old at the time (slightly past his prime), with today's players like Alex and Dennis, or Fedor and Filler he would need a ball. Not taking anything away from Ronnie Allen's greatness, he revolutionized the game with his aggressive style of play. But with today's players that execute soo good and once they learn the moves, I don't think the old timers would stand a chance heads up. I mean from what I saw from the video Ronnie would need all the moves in the world to defeat today's players in a long set and I just don't see it.
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Interesting perspective.

I watched that entire match last night & was hypnotized. That’s extremely high level 1p by any standard and I don’t see them being a ball below today’s top player’s by any stretch. Did you watch the entire thing? The latter 1/2 was edited to highlight summaries at times, but the caliber of play was amazing. RA is obviously known for his aggressive style, but Danny was also ferociously attacking most of the time.

Best pool video I’ve seen in a while, and one of my new all time favorites. High level play aside, the casual banter & personal style is whats largely missing from today’s game.
 
phreaticus said:
Interesting perspective.

I watched that entire match last night & was hypnotized. That’s extremely high level 1p by any standard and I don’t see them being a ball below today’s top player’s by any stretch. Did you watch the entire thing? The latter 1/2 was edited to highlight summaries at times, but the caliber of play was amazing. RA is obviously known for his aggressive style, but Danny was also ferociously attacking most of the time.

Best pool video I’ve seen in a while, and one of my new all time favorites. High level play aside, the casual banter & personal style is whats largely missing from today’s game.
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Yes I did watch the whole match, I got nothing else to add. It was very entertaining, I can say that!
 
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