Darren Forfeits Beloit

I would like to think that what is morally right in our fair game has slowly evolved, for the better, from the days of tush hogs, jarring players, dumps, double dumps, and triple dumps.

Maybe someday we will emerge from the dark ages.

Then again, reading some of these posts, maybe not.

Lou Figueroa
 
one stroke said:
And there lies the problam in today's world , no one excepts any accountability ,
God forbid anyone who not only excepts it but goes one step farther and tries to make amends :rolleyes:


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You are confusing matters. Darren obviously took accountability for his actions because he apologized for them. However, you are wrong in thinking that he has some amends to make. He owes nothing to the calcutta buyers. No more than he would owe anything to the possible hundreds that made side bets on the match. Just because the calcutta was more visible than the side bets, does not make him liable for the outcome of the bets that he had no part of.

For an example, say I had a bet with my wife that you would post again in this thread by a certain time. You failed to show. Do you now feel an obligation to pay my debt to her? .....didn't think so. Likewise, Darren owes nothing but an apology to the tournament for sleeping in. Yes, it was a big mistake. But, as Shakes stated, who here hasn't slept in at some point in their life? Were you hoping for forgiveness from your boss, or hoping that he would do the right thing and fire you, and make you pay him for the money he lost that day by you not working?
 
JAM said:
Well, one thing for sure, it would *not* have happened on my watch, Jay.

Behind every good pool player is a good woman, and I'll bet if Angie was there, Darren would have made this match. ;)
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Jen,

Great seeing your post. Rumor had it you and Keith were going to show up at SBE. Would have loved to have seen that happen.

My guess is, if Darren had a road partner there, whether Angie or someone else, this unfortunate event would not have happened. Very sad.

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Jen,

Great seeing your post. Rumor had it you and Keith were going to show up at SBE. Would have loved to have seen that happen.

My guess is, if Darren had a road partner there, whether Angie or someone else, this unfortunate event would not have happened. Very sad.

Lyn
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We almost did go, Lyn. I would have loved to sweat your match on the rail. It would be fun. Of course, the action table is probably where we would have spent the majority of our time. :grin-square:

What is probably haunting Darren is that if he had defeated Sky, he could have had a chance to win the Big Kahuna. What was it $16,000? Tin cups and bragging rights is nice, but money in pool is the best prize of all, I think. :)

Big difference in winnings: $2,000 versus $16,000.
 
BJTyler said:
Simply put, Darren Appleton owes me absolutely nothing. He doesn't owe me any money, an apology, or even an explanation. As several people have correctly pointed out, there is no contractual obligation between a player and the bettors of a calcutta. Darren has no obligation to me in any form. Just as I -and other pool fans- have no obligation to him or this game.

I always try to learn from my mistakes. From this experience, I'll learn to keep my dollars out of harm's way when it comes to pool, whether it's backing players or supporting calcuttas, I won't be doing that again. I'll also stop attending or viewing pro pool events where my level of interest and enthusiasm seemingly exceeds that of the players. Life is way too short for that.
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I understand where you are coming from, but I also think you are taking things a little too extreme. Or are you saying that Darren was the only reason you ever watched a stream, and didn't bother to watch anyone else?

Everyone makes mistakes. What makes a man is what they do when they do make a mistake. Did Darren make a bunch of excuses to why he was late? NO! He owned up to it and apologized to everyone! That is the kind of character you are looking for in someone to back or bet on!

Will he miscue or miss a ball at some crucial point in a match? Sure he will, he is human. I see no difference here with the sleep in. It's a fluke that happened. And, with his character, you can now safely say that it is extremely unlikely that it will happen to him again! That means one thing, you no longer have to worry about that mistake ever happening again with him.

Too bad for you that it was your money on him when he made the mistake, but now you can rest assured that it won't happen again with him. In my thinking, now is the time to put money on him. He will be more attentive than he was before.

You talk of professionalism. Nobody gives 100% 100% of the time. Not in any job. But, when it becomes too mundane, things slip and their is usually a cost to it. The real professionals are the ones that then immediately get that 100% back and that is the time to be in their corner.
 
one stroke said:
Really , just wondering after they finally got a hold of him and woke him up supposedly
Did he show up to apologize to the people who put thousands on him


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What the F are you even talking about? I swear this place is getting dumber and dumber...
 
It seems a lot of people confuse being backed and being bought in a calcutta. They're very different.
 
Blame it on rules

Interesting
Now let us say Bruce (or is it Brucia) Jenner takes part in men's decathlon event. A bunch of drunk gambling yahoos start calcutta on the event. Brucia frofeited cos he found out that judges will disqualify him as he is a socket not a plug.
Does poor Brucia have to compensate or make up to the yahoo who bet calcutta on him even though Brucia has nothing to do with the calcutta?
No.

So whose fault is it?
I would say blame it on the silly rules of calcutta where forfeiture =no refund. Not even partial payout or refund
Rules should be modified so that if your horse get into deep stages like semis, the calcutta bettor get portion of pool regardless of whether his horse overslept or fell in love
:grin:
 
In connection with getting wake up calls etc, I like to mention some thing that happens now and then and this is nothing to do with Daz.
Some people who have interest in the outcome of the matches, will be making disturbing telephone calls through out the night to the rooms where the Target player is supposed to be staying. The player apparently will have fragmented sleep and will not be able to play well next morning. Because of the possibility of their sleep getting disturbed some players disconnect their land lines in the hotel rooms and can`t get wake up calls from the Hotel operator.
 
vagabond said:
In connection with getting wake up calls etc, I like to mention some thing that happens now and then and this is nothing to do with Daz.
Some people who have interest in the outcome of the matches, will be making disturbing telephone calls through out the night to the rooms where the Target player is supposed to be staying. The player apparently will have fragmented sleep and will not be able to play well next morning. Because of the possibility of their sleep getting disturbed some players disconnect their land lines in the hotel rooms and can`t get wake up calls from the Hotel operator.
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That's why you carry you own.....battery operated.
 
Neil said:
I understand where you are coming from, but I also think you are taking things a little too extreme. Or are you saying that Darren was the only reason you ever watched a stream, and didn't bother to watch anyone else?

Everyone makes mistakes. What makes a man is what they do when they do make a mistake. Did Darren make a bunch of excuses to why he was late? NO! He owned up to it and apologized to everyone! That is the kind of character you are looking for in someone to back or bet on!

Will he miscue or miss a ball at some crucial point in a match? Sure he will, he is human. I see no difference here with the sleep in. It's a fluke that happened. And, with his character, you can now safely say that it is extremely unlikely that it will happen to him again! That means one thing, you no longer have to worry about that mistake ever happening again with him.

Too bad for you that it was your money on him when he made the mistake, but now you can rest assured that it won't happen again with him. In my thinking, now is the time to put money on him. He will be more attentive than he was before.

You talk of professionalism. Nobody gives 100% 100% of the time. Not in any job. But, when it becomes too mundane, things slip and their is usually a cost to it. The real professionals are the ones that then immediately get that 100% back and that is the time to be in their corner.
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I don't equate waking up in time and showing up as giving "100% 100% of the time". Nor do I equate a miscue with oversleeping a match. But that's just my opinion.

Whether Darren will ever make this mistake again, I don't really know....or care. What I do know is that, going forward, it won't make any difference to me (financially or otherwise).

If you think he's such a great bet, then you're more than welcome to put your money where your mouth is....as for me, I'll take a pass.
 
spartan said:
Interesting
Now let us say Bruce (or is it Brucia) Jenner takes part in men's decathlon event. A bunch of drunk gambling yahoos start calcutta on the event. Brucia frofeited cos he found out that judges will disqualify him as he is a socket not a plug.
Does poor Brucia have to compensate or make up to the yahoo who bet calcutta on him even though Brucia has nothing to do with the calcutta?
No.

So whose fault is it?
I would say blame it on the silly rules of calcutta where forfeiture =no refund. Not even partial payout or refund
Rules should be modified so that if your horse get into deep stages like semis, the calcutta bettor get portion of pool regardless of whether his horse overslept or fell in love
:grin:
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So, do you feel differently about if he did show and lost? In that case, they would get nothing, but because he didn't even show up, they should get something? That sure doesn't sound right.:eek:
 
BJTyler said:
I don't equate waking up in time and showing up as giving "100% 100% of the time". Nor do I equate a miscue with oversleeping a match. But that's just my opinion.

Whether Darren will ever make this mistake again, I don't really know....or care. What I do know is that, going forward, it won't make any difference to me (financially or otherwise).

If you think he's such a great bet, then you're more than welcome to put your money where your mouth is....as for me, I'll take a pass.
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I feel for you, I really do. It sucks.. but it sucks for him just as much. Darren wanted to win...

End of the day it's terrible planning on the part of the tournament director. Playing til 1am then match at 10am? That's insane. Believe it or not, playing back to back to back all day long is exhausting. Few people take pool as serious as Darren and even he couldn't fade that planning.

That said, buying anyone in a calcutta for that kind of money is downright insane imo. You're really rolling the dice and while I can respect your gamble, it's not the smartest bet no matter who you bought.
 
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So after reading eight pages of crap.......

Richie Richardson over sleeps, misses his first round match. He goes for $2000 in the calcutta. It happens all the time, pool players cant help themselves. Can you fix stupid? I'm surprised anyone bets on calcuttas.

When I have a flight to fly I set three alarm clocks, one is battery operated. Yes its important. Personal responsibility, own it. Maybe Darren will use three alarm clocks next time.
 
Neil said:
So, do you feel differently about if he did show and lost? In that case, they would get nothing, but because he didn't even show up, they should get something? That sure doesn't sound right.:eek:
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No, what I mean is just split the calcutta pool like prizemoney for last 4
For eg.
1st (Champion) 50%
2nd 30%
3rd and 4th (Losing/forfeited Semifinalists) 10% each

So whether his horse loses or is forfeited the calcutta bettor still get something

:D
 
cleary said:
I feel for you, I really do. It sucks.. but it sucks for him just as much. Darren wanted to win...

End of the day it's terrible planning on the part of the tournament director. Playing til 1am then match at 10am? That's insane. Believe it or not, playing back to back to back all day long is exhausting. Few people take pool as serious as Darren and even he couldn't fade that planning.

That said, buying anyone in a calcutta for that kind of money is downright insane imo. You're really rolling the dice and while I can respect your gamble, it's not the smartest bet no matter who you bought.
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Nope...this certainly wasn't the best bet I've ever made (thankfully). I'm sure I'll laugh about it at some point.

BTW...while I won't be rooting for him anytime soon, I honestly don't wish Darren any ill will...his chosen vocation and the life attached are hard enough as it is.
 
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Wasn't Appleton just whining about how SBE tournament was non professional? ?
Karma
Try working 60 hour weeks in a physically demanding job and try to tell us you are a professional. Unreal.
 
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